My Boba's clone

[Sad Society]

Hey guys, please forgive my ignorance, but I have a couple questions. Ok is clone number 7 pretty much the closest so far? Also Im using ejuice me up calculator and are the percentages used in clone 7 for ejuice me up? And lastly, is vinegar safe to vape? Thanks

I can't say if #7 is the closest tasting comparing to BB. If you are asking if it's the closest recipe posted on this thread, then IDK since I have not tried every recipe posted. What I can say is, I've tried #7 and for me it's doesn't really hit the mark of BB. But maybe because I didn't let it steep. I have some steeping that I have yet to try again.

I don't know how long you've been vaping but with your 13 posts, you are new to this forum. The ejuice me up calculator is fine to make the recipe...you just have to know how to use it properly. IDK which ejuice calculator was used to come up with recipes slohand posted.

You have to premix each ingredient separately before making the recipe. The recipe calls for each flavor to be premixed @ 15%, including the vinegar (vinegar premixed @ 15%).

As for vaping vinegar. I'm no expert, but I think it's safe. I've had no problems with it. It's such a small amount that is put into the recipe.

Hope this helps you out.

 

[NamVet68]

Hey guys, please forgive my ignorance, but I have a couple questions. Ok is clone number 7 pretty much the closest so far? Also Im using ejuice me up calculator and are the percentages used in clone 7 for ejuice me up? And lastly, is vinegar safe to vape? Thanks

Here...I'll make it easy for you - here's the eJuice-me-up .rec file for #7:
Easy-Peasy....

http://www.mediafire.com/download/v8zll64vzi5ow7u/Bobas#7_(Winner).rec

Have fun...

 

[mourningshadow]

So I tasted my blend of the three tobaccos and while I find it a nice vape it is far of base from Boba's. Think upping the Black Cigar and adding some cream would be a great juice however.

So, I've now gotten about halfway through this thread and just wanted to say thank you to everyone for all of their efforts here. I am not really too concerned with creating a Boba's clone myself as I thought the juice was just alright and not my favorite. However, I have mixed up a few of the recipes here, mainly the ones by Merlin and Glassmanoak and must say they are fantastic after just one day steeping. Still want to mix up a few more like the winning #7 and Eitano's but waiting on my order with the Lorann's oil.

Threads like this are what make this such an amazing community. Again thank you all for your efforts.

 

[mourningshadow]

I've been out of AVs Gorilla Juice for quite some time (I make my own version now), but the color of the two are identical. In one of Ben's postings, he stated that the base for Gorilla Juice is the same as Boba's, but with two tobacco elements (out of three) removed so the Banana flavor was more predominant.

Before I started making my version (from cigar extracts), I made Gorilla Juice when I couldn't get it from AV by mixing 3 parts Boba's to one part AV's Banana Slurry...it's pretty close....but a bit richer....at least that was my take.

I think if we are believing Ben here the bolded text above is very important. That would mean that for BB there are 3 tobacco flavors along with 2 other flavors, one of them having a banana note in it. Personally I never tasted banana in BB and found it very subtle in GJ as well.

Also as for the speculation that it is preference to not make it available in 0 nic, he has said that it is because one of the ingredients has nicotine in it. So either A. he is lying and really nothing he has said should be trusted which is of course his right to do to keep his secrets hidden or B. there is nicotine in one of the ingredients.

 

[kuvanos]

Actually I have been vaping for a couple years, I just never joined the forum...Anyway, thanks namvet. I appreciate it.

 

[kuvanos]

Oh and just a little thing I wanted to add here, when almond oil goes bad, it smells exactly like cherries. I made the mistake of buying a out of date bottle from a local cake shop. Just thought I would throw that in. Meaningless...i know.

 

[Tigdag]

I know that HS RY4 100% VG is/was sold in Europe and Asia. Anyone have a USA supplier of it? I looked on Caterpillarvapes site and could not find it.

 

[john333]

I know that HS RY4 100% VG is/was sold in Europe and Asia. Anyone have a USA supplier of it? I looked on Caterpillarvapes site and could not find it.

you may need to make a special request from some of the vendors supplying Hangsen. all mine are PG. some of the HS vendors are RTS Vapes, EcigExpress and VapingZone. Good luck

 

[Tigdag]

I think we may have solved part of the bobas riddle.
I have always thought that if we could figure out what was the basis for the sweetness and how to get the cinnamon flavor when we taste it with our tongue we would be on the right track. Recently someone asked what caused the bubble ring around the top of a bottle of Bobas and it was surmised that perhaps it was fermentation. This got me thinking that if it was fermentation then it had to be some sort of tobacco extract combined with a natural sugar. So I remember hearing that Ben originally got some of the tobacco flavorings from China and bingo! Hangsen makes 85 tobacco flavors that are produced using the molecular extraction process.
So lets recap what we all taste in Bobas.
Caramel and vanilla = that's RY4
Cherry and cream = that's Gold and Silver
Raisin = that could be Turkish Blend or Desert Ship
Note: Although these are sold in the USA as mostly PG based flavors there are similar VG versions available here and abroad.

Now we need our natural sugar. This is where Ben tricks our mind into thinking that we taste graham crackers or cinnamon danish when in fact it is so simple!

What better natural sugar than honey! Yes I mean real natural honey, not the TFA perfume stuff. In my preliminary mixes it only takes about 3-5 drops of honey in a 30ml batch. This gives it that tasty sweetness to your tongue but also makes Bobas the coil killer. And so now we have both, our extracts that gives us our tobacco molecules and our natural sugars that allows for the fermentation.
So the final ingredient then is the cinnamon flavoring. My guess here is that it could be a very small amount of Red hot cinnamon (candy type flavor) or the regular (medium) cinnamon flavor, but not the cinnamon spice(too strong).

So many of you are the original contributors to this endeavor so I'm sharing this info early and if you are willing to help perhaps we can hammer out some tasty formulas based on my speculations.

 

[VIPOD]

Cherry and cream = that's Gold and Silver

I get the "honey" flavor. I tried one of my early mixes with Black Honey Tobacco and the flavor certainly had some similarities.

Not sure what Gold & Silver is?

Do you have a link to this flavoring?

thx.

 

[Tigdag]

High Quality Gold&Sliver for Sale,Wholesale Gold&Sliver Online - Hangsen Holding Co.,Ltd.

 

[glasseye]

Gold & Silver is very nice. I listed it in one or two of my recipes awhile back along with Desert Ship and Cherry Cigar. You can get premixed at Caterpillar Vapes but I bought the concentrate from the UK. Hangsen 20ml Gold & Silver flavour concentrate,Essence There is no US shipping option, email him (Kevin) through the website with your paypal ID and he can invoice you after figuring shipping. Shipping was reasonable.
Just to throw it out there, Inawera has a G&S too.

But anyway...I don't get cinnamon at all with Boba's. A kind of spice, yes, but not cinnamon. I've got a mix steeping with Hangsen's version of Dr. Pepper. On the raisin front I'm using Whiskey. It doesn't seem like whiskey would be raisin smelling or tasting but the HS flavoring IS. I think my mix is promising but I have had no feedback on it. And this is just a thought but if you're tasting Boba's on your tongue and getting a cinnamon taste, it might just be the nic.

 

[Klepto]

I think we may have solved part of the bobas riddle.
I have always thought that if we could figure out what was the basis for the sweetness and how to get the cinnamon flavor when we taste it with our tongue we would be on the right track. Recently someone asked what caused the bubble ring around the top of a bottle of Bobas and it was surmised that perhaps it was fermentation. This got me thinking that if it was fermentation then it had to be some sort of tobacco extract combined with a natural sugar. So I remember hearing that Ben originally got some of the tobacco flavorings from China and bingo! Hangsen makes 85 tobacco flavors that are produced using the molecular extraction process.
So lets recap what we all taste in Bobas.
Caramel and vanilla = that's RY4
Cherry and cream = that's Gold and Silver
Raisin = that could be Turkish Blend or Desert Ship
Note: Although these are sold in the USA as mostly PG based flavors there are similar VG versions available here and abroad.

Now we need our natural sugar. This is where Ben tricks our mind into thinking that we taste graham crackers or cinnamon danish when in fact it is so simple!

What better natural sugar than honey! Yes I mean real natural honey, not the TFA perfume stuff. In my preliminary mixes it only takes about 3-5 drops of honey in a 30ml batch. This gives it that tasty sweetness to your tongue but also makes Bobas the coil killer. And so now we have both, our extracts that gives us our tobacco molecules and our natural sugars that allows for the fermentation.
So the final ingredient then is the cinnamon flavoring. My guess here is that it could be a very small amount of Red hot cinnamon (candy type flavor) or the regular (medium) cinnamon flavor, but not the cinnamon spice(too strong).

So many of you are the original contributors to this endeavor so I'm sharing this info early and if you are willing to help perhaps we can hammer out some tasty formulas based on my speculations.

I think you are on right patch here. But there is still the issue with nic in it, can one of the tobacco be tobacco steep? That will leave nic and its a coil killer. I found hangsen flavour online, and its very concentrated. I cant fully understand the tranlation to english, but my hope is that this pure TA to make diy essence.
See link below

GOLD & SILVER - HANGSEN tobacco flavore essence - HangsenShop.eu

we cant get either bb or gj here in the eu, and in Denmark its illegal to import product with nic in it from outside eu. So im really desperat to find a gj replacement. Hope this help.

cheers

 

[Tigdag]

@ Klepto
Have you tried the GJ clone #6 that SloHand posted on pg 42 of this thread? Many have said they liked it.

As far as where the nic is coming from, I have given up on even trying to perfectly match every Ben quote that has ever been stated, whether quoted accurately or not, it is instead my goal to get as close as we can to the flavor and essence that is Bobba's.

 

[Just Me]

I said I wouldn't do this, but I had to see what all the hype was about, so I ordered a bottle of BB and got it last Saturday.

First scent impression: graham cracker, raisin

First vape impression: graham cracker, raisin

Haven't touched it since Saturday, thought maybe it was still a bit young, so I set it aside to steep. Do notice the ring of bubbles around the top, and those don't really look like fermentation bubbles to me. They just look like tiny bubbles that won't pop, possibly because of the thickness of the liquid. By tilting the bottle repeatedly, the bubbles can be coaxed back into the liquid, but they rise up to the top again right away. Fermentation doesn't really work like that. My thoughts are that the bubbles are there as a result of agitation of the juice or perhaps introduced in the process of injecting the liquid into the bottle. All my previous experience with fermentation is that bubbles work and grow as the fermentation continues. These don't do anything except sit there exactly as they are. That's my observation, but I could be wrong.

It has been discussed that for fermentation to occur, there would need to be some type of organic matter in the mix, which we discussed as being tobacco or tobacco juice in some form. IF fermentation is occurring, that wouldn't necessarily have to come from tobacco. It could very well come from raisin juice. I don't particularly care for raisins, but some dishes I put together (such as broccoli salad) use raisins, and when I make that salad, I plump the raisins first by letting them sit in a small amount of very hot water. When they are drained, the resulting water is brown and probably has a raisin flavor to it, although I have never tasted it. However, dabbling around with food products like that in ejuice, well, I don't know the outcome. I know at some point it would sour.

All that said, I don't see Ben doing all that. And it seems I read he said there is no alcohol or water in the mixture. I know he said alcohol, not sure about the water. He said it was simple. Wasn't it said somewhere it would bring back childhood memories or something similar? The take I get on it is it's supposed to be an oatmeal/raisin cookie. Way back in the thread, I think Face Meat said his wife said the same thing. And when Ben said his friend liked to have a smoke with his favorite drink, some of us jumped to the conclusion that the ejuice was supposed to resemble the taste of the drink, when, in fact, that's just a statement. I liked to have a smoke with my favorite drink, have a smoke after a meal, have a smoke talking on the phone, etc., but none of those situations have any relationship with the flavor of my ejuice. So, I believe that statement was a decoy.

It's pleasant, but it didn't blow me away. Nothing I can't live without so far. Also, I didn't notice any cinnamon, but maybe those notes haven't developed yet. I haven't touched it since Saturday, so perhaps it will morph with steeping. If something hits me any differently, I'll report back.

Edited to add: might be a fig newton flavor instead of oatmeal/raisin cookie

 

[ckone180]

I said I wouldn't do this, but I had to see what all the hype was about, so I ordered a bottle of BB and got it last Saturday.

First scent impression: graham cracker, raisin

First vape impression: graham cracker, raisin

Haven't touched it since Saturday, thought maybe it was still a bit young, so I set it aside to steep. Do notice the ring of bubbles around the top, and those don't really look like fermentation bubbles to me. They just look like tiny bubbles that won't pop, possibly because of the thickness of the liquid. By tilting the bottle repeatedly, the bubbles can be coaxed back into the liquid, but they rise up to the top again right away. Fermentation doesn't really work like that. My thoughts are that the bubbles are there as a result of agitation of the juice or perhaps introduced in the process of injecting the liquid into the bottle. All my previous experience with fermentation is that bubbles work and grow as the fermentation continues. These don't do anything except sit there exactly as they are. That's my observation, but I could be wrong.

It has been discussed that for fermentation to occur, there would need to be some type of organic matter in the mix, which we discussed as being tobacco or tobacco juice in some form. IF fermentation is occurring, that wouldn't necessarily have to come from tobacco. It could very well come from raisin juice. I don't particularly care for raisins, but some dishes I put together (such as broccoli salad) use raisins, and when I make that salad, I plump the raisins first by letting them sit in a small amount of very hot water. When they are drained, the resulting water is brown and probably has a raisin flavor to it, although I have never tasted it. However, dabbling around with food products like that in ejuice, well, I don't know the outcome. I know at some point it would sour.

All that said, I don't see Ben doing all that. And it seems I read he said there is no alcohol or water in the mixture. I know he said alcohol, not sure about the water. He said it was simple. Wasn't it said somewhere it would bring back childhood memories or something similar? The take I get on it is it's supposed to be an oatmeal/raisin cookie. Way back in the thread, I think Face Meat said his wife said the same thing. And when Ben said his friend liked to have a smoke with his favorite drink, some of us jumped to the conclusion that the ejuice was supposed to resemble the taste of the drink, when, in fact, that's just a statement. I liked to have a smoke with my favorite drink, have a smoke after a meal, have a smoke talking on the phone, etc., but none of those situations have any relationship with the flavor of my ejuice. So, I believe that statement was a decoy.

It's pleasant, but it didn't blow me away. Nothing I can't live without so far. Also, I didn't notice any cinnamon, but maybe those notes haven't developed yet. I haven't touched it since Saturday, so perhaps it will morph with steeping. If something hits me any differently, I'll report back.

I do not taste cinnamon either. By a little tongue dabbing or in use. Though I did use to taste raisins/prunes, and I loved it. Now I do not even taste that. May be I need a break for a while. For the past year I stuck with a Boba's, Gorilla Juice and Pluid rotation. I have tried many others, but no others have broke into the top 3 as of yet. Still looking for a great banana juice.

As far as the tobacco base goes, I am feeling a strong pull to Hangsen juices being at least part of the recipe.

 

[kuvanos]

You know, I dont get the cinnamon in it either. But check this out....childhood memories?...beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/17981/53014/?view=beer&sort.

 

[Aal_]

You know, I dont get the cinnamon in it either. But check this out....childhood memories?...beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/17981/53014/?view=beer&sort.

Interesting .... (again)

 

[kuvanos]

I dont know if you guys know this or not, but if you go to myvapejuice.com, they have NET"s that were extracted with all VG. Hmmmmmm.?

 

[shlomsi]

A bit off-topic:
As AVE does not ship internationally, and I was curious to try Boba's at least once before I die , I went ahead and used an intermediary service that gives a US address and then forwards the package to Israel.
All in all I payed about 40$ for 30ml delivered to my door.

Now on topic:
It tastes great, my first impressions are of a very similar base taste that I get from my own pipe tobacco extraction (Mac Baren's "7 Seas Regular Blend") and honey, with a hint of coconut and danish swirl cinnamon.

I did a simple test to measure the weight/volume ratio.
I measured an exact 10ml, that came out at 11.5grams.
Now, Pure VG has a density of 1.26 g/cm^3, that's quite a deviation from being pure VG. I don't know what to make of it (vinegar, water?), maybe insignificant, just stating it for what it's worth.