My Boba's clone

[Tigdag]

The more I vape BB the more it tastes like Crackerjacks to me.
Has anyone tried a mixture of Caramel Candy, Buttered Popcorn and Peanut Butter with something like a Scubabatdan's RY4 (substitute toasted marshmallow for the regular marshmallow to get the custard note) and some 555? I still can't make out where all the sweetness is coming from though. Oh well just a thought.

 

[FLExJuice]

Now I have to go buy Cracker Jacks.

That's associated with BaseBall (BB) and there is a prize inside (Bounty) ....hummm.

 

[Rikiel]

You know what? I think you're right. Even if i shared it, and my juices were good when i started my business, people would still buy it. And sharing it would be the first step i suppose.

Its funny you should mention coca cola actually .

Here is my origional post

I'm not a particularly big fan of Bobas Bounty, however I do enjoy puzzles and I believe I may be on to something if not solved your problem of the secret ingredient!

Has anyone checked into other flavors besides tobacco that may contain nicotine? I found this:

"According to the Science Daily website, nicotine alkaloids are also found in the leaves of the coca plant, which is native to South America. The coca plant, or Erythroxylum coca, is a member of the Erythroxylaceae family. *last sentence removed for forum rules reasons (just dont want any complications......)*."

Decocainized (is this okay to say? >.>) coca leaf extract is used as a flavoring in Coca-Cola, as well as being readily (and legally) available to the US as a flavoring for your own colas, shakes, teas, coffees... what have you. A google search has turned up at least one (legitimate looking) site that sells this coca extract. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post a link or refer you to an outside site.

Here are my premises:

1. It is a flavoring that contains nicotine (alkaloids are left intact)
2. It is extracted in alcohol so it is PG free
3. Its taste would probably mix well with tobaccos and probably enhance the flavor. I havent tried it.
4. Many have reported an alcohol smell with Bobas
5. This is a pretty long shot, but Boba? Coca? Seeeeee? Briliant way to hide their secret ingredient!

I feel pretty confident about this. Anyone have anything that would disprove this?

What do you guys think?

 

[Levitas]

If we're still believing the clues given by Ben, then this isn't an option. Unless they extract with VG, as Ben has stated that there was no alcohol in the mix.

 

[Rikiel]

There are other plants that also contain nicotine alcoloids such as eggplant and many different members of the nightshade family such as potatoes etc. In fact i found that there were 66 plants total that contain nicotine. But i doubt that 'potatoes' would taste particularly good. I found that coca is the most probable that i have come across, but if you are curious, check into the other plants. Its pretty neat stuff actually

There are other options as well such as powders or even a self extraction into VG.

 

[Levitas]

Well, I'll applaud your determination, but without actually tasting it first, I really don't understand how you can be so confident as this being the answer.

 

[Rikiel]

Everything fits so perfectly. Including the name. *Shrugs* I dont believe there is anything else possible that contains nicotine as a flavoring including tobacco absolute.

 

[FLExJuice]

Awhile back a fellow vaper was convinced it was a mix of a Vanilla Cola Tobacco, peanut butter and caramel (I think)....he compared it to Butterfinger Bar. Thanks for sharing I've got some experimenting to do.

Btw, I got some Cracker Jack and it's crack in a box....and smelling it is not a match to smelling BB. But when vaping BB after eating Cracker Jack, the caramel and sweetness smooths out in BB. I think the coca notes is in the Tobacco flavor which was a good fit for Black and Mile Plus used in #7.

I'm craving some Rolo candy now.

 

[Porksmuggler]

Well, I'll applaud your determination, but without actually tasting it first, I really don't understand how you can be so confident as this being the answer.

That's the best part of confidence, similar to the word evidence, but without the burden of proof.

Horrible, This Idea - YouTube

 

[Rikiel]

Lol i fulfilled the burden of proof so far to the best of my abilities by listing my premises and coming to a conclusion.

ergo:

if A,B,C,D .'. E:

A
B
C
D
.'.
E

You now have the burden of proving me wrong and if your best argument is ad hoc, then that is quite foolish rofl. If you wish to debate logic with me feel free .

 

[Porksmuggler]

Lol i fulfilled the burden of proof so far to the best of my abilities by listing my premises and coming to a conclusion.

ergo:

if A,B,C,D .'. E:

A
B
C
D
.'.
E

You now have the burden of proving me wrong and if your best argument is ad hoc, then that is quite foolish rofl. If you wish to debate logic with me feel free .

There's no grounds for debate, you're already committed the fallacy of an appeal to ignorance. Troll elsewhere, troll...

Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rikiel]

There's no grounds for debate, you're already committed the fallacy of an appeal to ignorance. Troll elsewhere, troll...

Argument from ignorance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Try again. None of my premises were "theres no evidence coca is not the secret ingredient". Take a logic course. The burden of proof is still on you.

At most "there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be either true or false".

In fact you just commited an argument from ignorance by playing the red herring and proporting that "coca is not an ingredient because you have not given me proof otherwise."

Lol your red herring was an argument from ignorance.

 

[Levitas]

Rikiel - your evidence is based on very loose speculation... you even contradict your evidence by saying that it can be nearly anything with nicotine in it. So what makes you so sure that it's coca leaves, and not tomatoes? You've been DIY'ing for how long now? How many bottles of Boba's have you vaped?

Your points of evidence are very weak, and aren't even worth debating, but if you truly want to go down that road...

Here are my premises:

1. It is a flavoring that contains nicotine (alkaloids are left intact)
2. It is extracted in alcohol so it is PG free
3. Its taste would probably mix well with tobaccos and probably enhance the flavor. I havent tried it.
4. Many have reported an alcohol smell with Bobas
5. This is a pretty long shot, but Boba? Coca? Seeeeee? Briliant way to hide their secret ingredient!

1.) Again, this could be anything with nicotine... secret ingredient, peppers anyone?
2.) PG-free doesn't = a feasible ingredient. Twinkies are PG-free, do you believe that to be an ingredient as well?
3.) You haven't tasted it... yet you think that it will probably mix well with tobaccos.
4.) Many have reported many things about the taste/smell of Boba's.
5.) Oh snap! Those words rhyme, 100% match. Close the thread, the secret has been revealed.

Edit: I'm going to edit this in saying that I do not intend to be malicious towards you, Rikiel. Though, your entrance and first impressions in this thread may lead some to believe it to be justified. You're coming off as very arrogant. I'm willing to listen to your theory once you've actually tried it. Until then, stating that you believe yourself to be correct, and actually being correct, well, there's a line somewhere that crossed somewhere miles back.

 

[Rikiel]

Lol that guy was just being rude and i hate it when people challenge my intelegence. This is more of what i wanted to talk about. The main selling point here was that no one had tried any other ingredients that contained nicotine and of the ones i researched, coca (which everyone has tasted in coca cola) is by far the most probable selection. The fact that it is used to enhance such things as tea and coffee (which again are reported as being tasted in bobas) to me, strengthens the supposition. If its used in tea and coffee, why not tobacco? Especially if it has similar tastes?

As for the name, i did say it was a long shot. It wasnt so much that it rhymed, but the two repeating letters being replaced.

Theories are theories. String theory (which is awesome btw) is mainstream quantum theory, but it has not been proven. Further experimentation must be done. Im super excited to see the upgrades of the LHC and the following collisions trying to duplicate dark matter and dark energy (which again are theories).

What i am mostly concerned with are reasons that you think coca would not work. Even if not in bobas, then other e-juice blends. I'm not stupid. I do realize that this is a theory even though it seems to me to have strong backing in the sense that most other options have been exhausted and this is a whole new avenu to look.

I do appologize for my arrogance. If that is what you heard, then i have misspoke. You must understand that i was very exciteable when i posted that. Im sure you would be too. 97% may be a bit high of an estimate. I feel that its probably more like 65%-75%

Okay that was the last edit. i promise

 

[Aheadatime]

Relax guys. He may or may not have stumbled upon a good idea with the coca extract. Some of us here in the community will have to get our hands dirty and report back.

I have also found that coca extract you were talking about, but it is indeed an alcohol base which Ben said its not, and it also has side effect warnings similar to booze, ie., "dont operate machinery" etc. I highly doubt Ben would be using something like this without putting it on the label.

On the other hand, Coke uses a very secret recipe of non-narcotic coca extract to flavor their cola, and they don't have any warning on their bottles other than "natural flavors", which leads me to believe that if Ben is using a coca extract, it must be a very refined one and thus wouldn't have the whole "dont drive if you ingest this stuff" label on it. I googled the legality issue of coca and it doesn't seem to be any more legal in Korea (where he opened up shop and still lives) than it is here in the states, so thats irrelevant.

Who knows. My research was stunted by the countless findings of "Coke uses Coca!!!!11!one!1". It was hard to find anything extract related. I'll look more into it.

 

[Levitas]

I'd say the debate of what's the right ingredient, and what's not, shouldn't be stifled based on others' opinions. But I only ask that you have some objective proof before making grandiose claims.

People come into this thread to help one another in an effort to re-create a juice that many of us adore. You've made mention that you didn't really care for Boba's that much, but the fact that you are (now) attempting to help unlock the mystery in admirable. However, you've got to admit that your entering the thread with what you typed was just asking to be criticized, and/or looked down upon (because that was the impression you gave to many when you entered... looking down on us, "I know the secret ingredient, but I won't tell! I'll say it's due to morality issues, but really I just want to profit off of you fools! Muah ha ha").

If you're down to sticking around, helping working out recipes, and not playing the "I'm more intelligent than you" card (which makes you look dumber, for real), then I have no issues with working with you.

 

[Porksmuggler]

But I only ask that you have some objective proof before making grandiose claims.

If you're down to sticking around, helping working out recipes, and not playing the "I'm more intelligent than you" card (which makes you look dumber, for real), then I have no issues with working with you.

but he's already shifted the burden of proof to me.

I have to go take a logic course first though, so it might be awhile before I get a chance to test his claim. Maybe an etiquette class also, because I'm rude and challenged his intelligence.

 

[Rikiel]

................
I more meant you insulted my intelligence. Bahah im not the best writer. But seriously. You make a claim, you have the burden of proof. My burden was fulfilled. I was not asking you to defend my point, but for you to provide evidence supporting your statements.

but he's already shifted the burden of proof to me.

I have to go take a logic course first though, so it might be awhile before I get a chance to test his claim. Maybe an etiquette class also, because I'm rude and challenged his intelligence.

 

[Rikiel]

Who knows. My research was stunted by the countless findings of "Coke uses Coca!!!!11!one!1". It was hard to find anything extract related. I'll look more into it.

Bahah yeah that was my problem too. In fact i had to go to google images to find the legitmate looking site. Its a green bottle surrounded by coca leaves. Theres a whole online shop where you can purchase coca products. theres a 46% alcohol version and i think a 70 proof one as well.

 

[Rikiel]

I'd say the debate of what's the right ingredient, and what's not, shouldn't be stifled based on others' opinions. But I only ask that you have some objective proof before making grandiose claims.

People come into this thread to help one another in an effort to re-create a juice that many of us adore. You've made mention that you didn't really care for Boba's that much, but the fact that you are (now) attempting to help unlock the mystery in admirable. However, you've got to admit that your entering the thread with what you typed was just asking to be criticized, and/or looked down upon (because that was the impression you gave to many when you entered... looking down on us, "I know the secret ingredient, but I won't tell! I'll say it's due to morality issues, but really I just want to profit off of you fools! Muah ha ha").

If you're down to sticking around, helping working out recipes, and not playing the "I'm more intelligent than you" card (which makes you look dumber, for real), then I have no issues with working with you.

I admit it probably looked atrocious. There were of course issues I had to take into account here including ethical and monetary ones. Unfortunately in this world, good guys do not usually win. Just look at what the pharmecutical and big tobacco companies are trying to do legally to vaping. These were things I had to take into account and since my secondary post was already seen.... there wasnt much i could do about it. But if anything it should prove to you that i did in fact want to share it from the start lol.