my boss thinks they should be banned

[Duckbitesman]

but she insists that it's unfair. If she has to go out in single digit weather to get her nic fix, so should I. Misery loves company.

^ THIS

we have a rule specifically against ecig usage at my work because of just this, smokers who think it is unfair that they have to get up from their desks and walk outside to smoke.

and as far as walk like a duck quack like a duck, I experienced this first hand, i was at the mall and it was cold as hell so i decided since i typically go outside to vape anyways just to avoid confrontation i stayed in the breezeway, outside the mall doors but still inside the door leading outside.. its like a big glass box before you go into the mall. I had an old lady cough when walking through and scold me for smoking indoors and that second hand smoke kills people and is terrible for kids. She said it smelled like smoke, i presented her my VAMO and said that is impossible for this juice is fruit flavored and smells like blueberry lemonade, she INSISTED it smelled like smoke and quickly scurried off being caught in a lie....


oh well, it is all about educating those that know nothing of e-cigs, i agree that is the age of vaping we are in. The public awareness and education age... but there will always be those that are unwilling to change and unwilling to learn and admit fault, all of you should try teaching people about your e-cig in Oklahoma.. I swear i live in the most stubborn state

 

[p-doze]

just because it isn't a cigarette, doesn't mean everyone is given carte blanch to blow hugs clouds of vapor in any public setting they see fit. To play devil's advocate, I wouldn't want to sit next to someone spitting chewing tobacco into a cup at a restaurant. If you want to blow plumes into people's faces because there isn't a law or a rule at your company about it, that's your right. But the more people that your actions upset or offend, the less likely that they will continue to tolerate it. I'll vape when I'm in the bathroom at work, when i'm driving, at friend's houses, in my own home, and many other places that I used to not be able to smoke in. We still have plenty of freedom to vape in a lot more places than we could ever smoke, and we shouldn't go out of our way to exploit this just because we're vaping fruity flavored liquid.

Eventually there will be legislation that addresses this, and the fewer people that look at vapers as arrogant pseudo outlaws, the better it will be for us in the long run.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

and just to clarify, I don't think they should be banned, nor do I want them to be. I just think we need to be a little more thoughtful about the surroundings and the people we choose to vape around, instead of resorting to a "screw you, it's not a cigarette" response. Check the URL of this site for why people might get them confused with cigarettes.

 

[Disconnect]

That is what I keep pointing out to a coworker. If he brings it to (most) meetings, uses it in the elevator/lobby, etc he's gonna get it banned for all of us. Nobody cares if we use it in our offices or lab area, within reason..

Be considerate, for all of us.. It will never be explicitly allowed, but it can very easily be explicitly banned..

 

[Duckbitesman]

just because it isn't a cigarette, doesn't mean everyone is given carte blanch to blow hugs clouds of vapor in any public setting they see fit. To play devil's advocate, I wouldn't want to sit next to someone spitting chewing tobacco into a cup at a restaurant. If you want to blow plumes into people's faces because there isn't a law or a rule at your company about it, that's your right. But the more people that your actions upset or offend, the less likely that they will continue to tolerate it. I'll vape when I'm in the bathroom at work, when i'm driving, at friend's houses, in my own home, and many other places that I used to not be able to smoke in. We still have plenty of freedom to vape in a lot more places than we could ever smoke, and we shouldn't go out of our way to exploit this just because we're vaping fruity flavored liquid.

Eventually there will be legislation that addresses this, and the fewer people that look at vapers as arrogant pseudo outlaws, the better it will be for us in the long run.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

and just to clarify, I don't think they should be banned, nor do I want them to be. I just think we need to be a little more thoughtful about the surroundings and the people we choose to vape around, instead of resorting to a "screw you, it's not a cigarette" response. Check the URL of this site for why people might get them confused with cigarettes.

did you read anything i posted? I believe we need to educate people as vapers or there won't BE any vaping left to do. I go outside even in settings where it isn't required, sometimes just because it is nice outside or there are friends smoking outside. Your gross over stating is depressing because where you see someone as an "arrogant pseudo outlaw" for telling someone kindly that it is not a cigarette and showing them a neat flavor, they see themselves as being informative. Sure I could just not say anything at all but then the person who COULD have walked away learning that e-cigs even EXIST will just stay in the dark, nevermind that the person who learns about the e-cig might take the idea and save a life of a loved one. That possibility would never exist without first learning about them.

and i would also like to know where exactly you saw anyone blow clouds of vapor in someones face? I have been a vaper for a while now and i would get into a physical confrontation with someone blowing a purposeful cloud in my face. I certainly didnt say that is something i do, so you couldnt have read it from me, and so far in this thread i havent seen anyone else say they did....

as far as any public setting, i would never vape in a restaurant but im not going to tell someone who is to cut it out unless its encroaching on my family's experience, and in that case it is between me and them, ill let them know they are giving vapers a bad name.

so IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

i don't think they should be banned, but i also don't think people should come into a thread where people are sharing experiences that are in seemingly non-offensive settings and start touting pompous claims of being rude, and deuschey when none of the posts have even remotely seemed as such.

 

[Rusty S.]

When I was a smoker, people would cough at me on the street or in the parking garages. I always turned to them and made some comment about how I agreed, the diesel exhaust is really bad for you. Generally they didn't have a good answer for that. (Most of the time they were horrified that their passive-aggressiveness got a response..)

Prepare to have your mind blown about bosses:

Back when I lived in NJ, I worked in an office right next to an 8-lane freeway - all day long, all we heard outside was compression brakes from the big-rigs outside. On top of that, we were in the flight path of an airport, and all day and all night, low-flying aircraft were spewing exhaust above our building. All of that nasty air from the freeway and the private jets was sucked straight into our building's air system.

My boss lived in NYC, which is an air-quality nightmare, and of course he worked all day in our building. His big complaint? He didn't like walking past the smokers when he came in through the back door. He busted the chops of the management company, and they wound up having to corral all of us into a smoking area where folks wouldn't get worked up about the smoky air.

Does that make sense? No, it doesn't, but not much of what the ANTZ says makes sense anyway.

 

[Duckbitesman]

Prepare to have your mind blown about bosses:

Back when I lived in NJ, I worked in an office right next to an 8-lane freeway - all day long, all we heard outside was compression brakes from the big-rigs outside. On top of that, we were in the flight path of an airport, and all day and all night, low-flying aircraft were spewing exhaust above our building. All of that nasty air from the freeway and the private jets was sucked straight into our building's air system.

My boss lived in NYC, which is an air-quality nightmare, and of course he worked all day in our building. His big complaint? He didn't like walking past the smokers when he came in through the back door. He busted the chops of the management company, and they wound up having to corral all of us into a smoking area where folks wouldn't get worked up about the smoky air.

Does that make sense? No, it doesn't, but not much of what the ANTZ says makes sense anyway.

when i was civilian working on a flight line we had to walk about 500 yards to smoke unless we wanted to get reflective gear and check out passes to get in and out of the other side of the ramp. It was great exercise though lol and yeah breathing in MPK and Methylene Chloride fumes all day were way better than smoke i tell ya

 

[MeanDrunkR2D2]

Well.. I've been vaping now about a month and half and have been off the stinkies for 5 or 6 weeks now. However, my wife still considers it smoking and it's driving me crazy. One of our friends who I got onto vaping proudly proclaimed that she was smoke free for 5 days. My wife, proceeded to correct her that she's still smoking and she hasn't quit a thing. I think I just have a very stubborn wife who is an ex smoker, mostly because she's pregnant right now.

 

[Duckbitesman]

Well.. I've been vaping now about a month and half and have been off the stinkies for 5 or 6 weeks now. However, my wife still considers it smoking and it's driving me crazy. One of our friends who I got onto vaping proudly proclaimed that she was smoke free for 5 days. My wife, proceeded to correct her that she's still smoking and she hasn't quit a thing. I think I just have a very stubborn wife who is an ex smoker, mostly because she's pregnant right now.

ALL illogical thinking and statements have now been justified. have a good day.


;]

 

[MeanDrunkR2D2]

ALL illogical thinking and statements have now been justified. have a good day.


;]

That is my current reasoning as well. I just smile, vape, and nod.

 

[Jman8]

and i would also like to know where exactly you saw anyone blow clouds of vapor in someones face?

I'm not even sure if it's possible. Especially with the store bought models (lesser eCig items) around. A huge difference between smoking and vaping is that when not puffing on a vaporizer, there's no second hand stuff floating around. With vaping, the only chance of someone noticing a problem is if they happened to walk in the stream (not really a cloud) upon exhale. And even if they did that, I'm still curious how much of an issue that truly is. I mean if it is, then you'd think vapers, of all people, would be exposed to that second hand stuff and by now, there would be something noticeable going on with health of vapers.

I've also vaped in front of enough non-smokers, many of whom hate smoking, to realize, vapor pretty much presents a non-issue. I honestly can't remember a time where sitting in a room with non-smokers for say 6 hours (playing cards) and a non-smoking person gave any indication (non verbal or otherwise) that let me know that my exhaled vapor made them uncomfortable.

Vapor simply doesn't linger all that much. If it did, this conversation would be vastly different than the one where we muster up something to talk about as if we are causing some serious (even half serious) discomfort to those around us.

With all that said, I do still think all it will take to change things in this discussion is some independent study where 2nd hand vapor is linked to some serious health concern, like your genitals will shrivel up if you are around 2nd hand vapor long enough. Short of that, and I do think we do a disservice to not be vaping in many places right now, doing our best to educate along the way. Though, I'll note that I tend to be another one of those that is practices courteous public vaping, while often wondering why I'm so courteous, given what is actually involved.

 

[Duckbitesman]

I'm not even sure if it's possible. Especially with the store bought models (lesser eCig items) around. A huge difference between smoking and vaping is that when not puffing on a vaporizer, there's no second hand stuff floating around. With vaping, the only chance of someone noticing a problem is if they happened to walk in the stream (not really a cloud) upon exhale. And even if they did that, I'm still curious how much of an issue that truly is. I mean if it is, then you'd think vapers, of all people, would be exposed to that second hand stuff and by now, there would be something noticeable going on with health of vapers.

I've also vaped in front of enough non-smokers, many of whom hate smoking, to realize, vapor pretty much presents a non-issue. I honestly can't remember a time where sitting in a room with non-smokers for say 6 hours (playing cards) and a non-smoking person gave any indication (non verbal or otherwise) that let me know that my exhaled vapor made them uncomfortable.

Vapor simply doesn't linger all that much. If it did, this conversation would be vastly different than the one where we muster up something to talk about as if we are causing some serious (even half serious) discomfort to those around us.

With all that said, I do still think all it will take to change things in this discussion is some independent study where 2nd hand vapor is linked to some serious health concern, like your genitals will shrivel up if you are around 2nd hand vapor long enough. Short of that, and I do think we do a disservice to not be vaping in many places right now, doing our best to educate along the way. Though, I'll note that I tend to be another one of those that is practices courteous public vaping, while often wondering why I'm so courteous, given what is actually involved.

thank you Jman.

besides with the vapor being mostly water or properties of water (liquid vapor) the molecules gather and disperse and are much much larger than molecules of combusted materiel. so i think second hand vape is pretty far fetched to begin with seeing how to actually inhale someones expelled vapor it would have to be nearly immediate and the environment would have to be suitable to restrict the "droplets" from re-condensing......

 

[p-doze]

did you read anything i posted? I believe we need to educate people as vapers or there won't BE any vaping left to do. I go outside even in settings where it isn't required, sometimes just because it is nice outside or there are friends smoking outside. Your gross over stating is depressing because where you see someone as an "arrogant pseudo outlaw" for telling someone kindly that it is not a cigarette and showing them a neat flavor, they see themselves as being informative. Sure I could just not say anything at all but then the person who COULD have walked away learning that e-cigs even EXIST will just stay in the dark, nevermind that the person who learns about the e-cig might take the idea and save a life of a loved one. That possibility would never exist without first learning about them.

and i would also like to know where exactly you saw anyone blow clouds of vapor in someones face? I have been a vaper for a while now and i would get into a physical confrontation with someone blowing a purposeful cloud in my face. I certainly didnt say that is something i do, so you couldnt have read it from me, and so far in this thread i havent seen anyone else say they did....

as far as any public setting, i would never vape in a restaurant but im not going to tell someone who is to cut it out unless its encroaching on my family's experience, and in that case it is between me and them, ill let them know they are giving vapers a bad name.

so IN MY HUMBLE OPINION

i don't think they should be banned, but i also don't think people should come into a thread where people are sharing experiences that are in seemingly non-offensive settings and start touting pompous claims of being rude, and deuschey when none of the posts have even remotely seemed as such.

settle down melty mcmelterton. i would have quoted you if i was responding to you. i was making a blanket statement about MY views on public and workplace use of e-cigs. at the end of the day they're still a delivery system for an addictive substance, whose longterm effects have not been studied. (the delivery system containing pv/vg, not nicotine itself) these are not a panacea for quitting cigarettes, they're a seemingly less dangerous way to get your nicotine fix. it's foolhardy to call this a life saving remedy for cigarette smokers, and that's a slippery slope to start going down if you want to start spreading awareness. dispel myths, explain what they are, how they work, whatever, but at the end of the day it's still just nicotine wrapped up in a prettier paper. sweet, delicious nicotine.

 

[Duckbitesman]

you directly quoted more than one specific detail of my post, you do not have to hit the quote button to aim a post at someone. yeah some of the other points you made were not aimed at me, but i thought i would just go ahead and address all of them anyways. and yeah actually i (as well as a great deal of members) of the vaping community wholly believe that vaping has saved our lives and the lives of others. As for calling it "lifesaving" being foolhardy, if i (or anyone else) have tried medication, patches, gum and or any other delivery device without success but had success quitting analogs with vaping. ingesting just nicotine (only going to address nicotine since that is the focus of your statement, and you posted in a thread that linked to a paper written with live experiments telling to the safety of PG) NOT the, what is it 4000+? chemicals known to be carcinogenic and toxic, i call that saving a life. for someone who has NOT attempted to cold turkey or use candy or something not containing nicotine (0mg nic juice trolololol??) i would say try that first.

* dispel myths, explain what they are, how they work, whatever, but at the end of the day it's still just nicotine wrapped up in a prettier paper. sweet, delicious nicotine. -- this right here is such a harmful way of thinking to the community, im starting to think you are part of the problem. you realize breathing ANY combusted materiel is harmful right? thats one part of vaping it is not smoke it is not combusted, and even though you say, and i quote, " addictive substance, whose longterm effects have not been studied. (the delivery system containing pv/vg, not nicotine itself)" Yeah actually it has been studied, you even posted in a thread containing a link to a study done on inhaling PG it was deemed harmless. it is still commonly believed that nicotine is no more dangerous than caffeine, i do not rely on a cup o' joe every morning, do you?

TESTS FOR THE CHRONIC TOXICITY OF PROPYLEXE GLYCOL AND TRIETHYLENE GLYCOL ON MONKEYS AND RATS BY VAPOR INHALATION AND ORAL ADMINISTRATION


**EDIT** you say your post is only YOUR opinion, well did you ever think that saying it is not a panacea for quitting cigarettes is your opinion too? maybe it is the tool that has proven to be the most useful to many of us for quitting smoking.

 

[Steve11973]

I'm still vaping at my desk at work. I'm in a cubical out of the main stream and I try not to send up clouds of vapor.

 

[Rusty S.]

I think I just have a very stubborn wife who is an ex smoker, mostly because she's pregnant right now.

I know what I put Da Hubster through during my two pregancies - I had gestational diabetes, and didn't take kindly to his chocoholic ways. She might lighten up a bit when she's no longer a bubbling cauldron of hormones.

That didn't help much, did it? Sorry -

 

[p-doze]

I'll withhold any further opinions until a study more recent than 1947 is available.

 

[Duckbitesman]

I know what I put Da Hubster through during my two pregancies - I had gestational diabetes, and didn't take kindly to his chocoholic ways. She might lighten up a bit when she's no longer a bubbling cauldron of hormones.

That didn't help much, did it? Sorry -

i had to quit smoking when my wife was pregnant, it started out i just couldnt smoke around her, then it was anywhere near our apartment, then it was none at all....... she could smell it a mile away like a bloodhound

 

[Rusty S.]

when i was civilian working on a flight line we had to walk about 500 yards to smoke unless we wanted to get reflective gear and check out passes to get in and out of the other side of the ramp. It was great exercise though lol and yeah breathing in MPK and Methylene Chloride fumes all day were way better than smoke i tell ya

Very true! People get bent out of shape because they can see & smell tobacco smoke; they don't stop to think that carbon monoxide is odorless and clear, but will kill you much more quickly than walking past a smoker. I have no idea what compounds you're referring to, but I'm willing to bet I'd take a cigarette over them any day.

 

[Rusty S.]

i had to quit smoking when my wife was pregnant, it started out i just couldnt smoke around her, then it was anywhere near our apartment, then it was none at all....... she could smell it a mile away like a bloodhound

Yeah, a bloodhound with a chainsaw and a hockey mask, right?

 

[akatina]

Well.. I've been vaping now about a month and half and have been off the stinkies for 5 or 6 weeks now. However, my wife still considers it smoking and it's driving me crazy. One of our friends who I got onto vaping proudly proclaimed that she was smoke free for 5 days. My wife, proceeded to correct her that she's still smoking and she hasn't quit a thing. I think I just have a very stubborn wife who is an ex smoker, mostly because she's pregnant right now.

If it makes you feel any better, my husband who is most certainly NOT pregnant has all but given me the same line. He and I both quit in January, I with my PV and he with his NJoy. He'd let his nic level get low till he was craving and then blow the back of his skull off with 45mg. Got tired of the ups and downs so he stopped and decided to "man up" and just make it through the cravings without. I was lucky that he was traveling a lot for work those two weeks

Now he occasionally makes mention of my vape and the fact that I haven't stopped altogether. "Oh, you're still on that? I don't even NEED that anymore..."