My cardiologist asked me, "You've never smoked, right?"

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MikenGA

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This past April, I cut the nic from 6mg to 0mg, just to see if I could do it. Surprise, surprise...it was no problem at all. I couldn't tell a difference...except that I felt a bit more tired than normal. The tiredness soon passed, but business and personal stress over the following month required many late hours, and time for rest was cut to about 4 hours per night.

As a result, in the middle of May I began experiencing some chest discomfort. It didn't feel like an 'attack', but it was definitely something. I wasn't worried, but made myself a promise that IF my symptoms changed, I would take myself to the emergency room. Two days later, I took myself to the emergency room. (I've never been sick before, so this was a spooky experience for me.)

My heart was out of rhythm...beats were bouncing all over the place; 126/81 to 65/72 within the same 60 seconds. A few times it felt as if my chest was being crushed, but mostly it was a nagging pain (more like a strain). At 3:00am the next morning, the pain suddenly STOPPED...but the hospital testing continued. After a couple of days in the hospital, dozens of tests and a heart cath, the best guess diagnosis was Atrial Fibrillation, most likely caused by high stress and lack of rest.

After being released from the hospital, my follow-up visit to the cardiologist was most interesting. He's the head of cardiology over the ICU of the hospital. He came in, checked me out, looked at my records and said, "Everything looks completely normal. You've never smoked, right?"

I said, "WRONG! I smoked nearly 2 packs a day for 32+ years, but QUIT almost 3 years ago, thanks to vaping." I pulled a handful of vaporizers out of my satchel to show him.

Doc said, "That's GREAT, man! I don't care how you quit smoking...just that you DID quit! All my tests indicate you're a non-smoker, and I see no signs of damage normally seen in long term smokers. Whatever you're doing, keep on doing it!"

BTW - the heart cath revealed about 30% arterial blockage in one location, but not enough to address with a procedure, and totally normal for anyone my age (I'm 62).

In the end, he saw no need for any continuing meds, and said to come back in a year, unless I feel a need to come back sooner. The only requests he did make is for me to take a daily 81mg aspirin (because it lowers the risk of A-Fib related stroke by 15 to 20%) and to increase my Omega 3's (oily fish 2 or 3 times per week/moreOlive Oil/fish oil capsules).

I've read such stories on ECF in the past, and found them comforting. I never expected to have my own story to contribute...but now I do, so I'm contributing.

I had wondered if going to 0mg had any effect leading toward the Atrial Fib event, but doc didn't think so. (He also has no problem with me vaping nic, as long as I don't take it to ridiculously high levels. I'm happy with 0mg most of the time, but have 6mg and 12 mg steeped and ready for when I want it.)

I'm kinda shocked that 'an esteemed cardiologist' was so pleased and encouraging for me. (I feel quite sure the story would have been much different, if I had not made the switch to vaping almost 3 years ago.)

Just curious, but has anyone else had any experience with A-Fib - or other issues - after dropping nic levels to 0mg??? Maybe it's just coincidence. Even so, I do feel a bit 'sharper' with a small amount of nic in my vape.


As my 'new' doc said, "Whatever you're doing, keep on doing it."
I assured him, "I most certainly WILL." :vapor:


I had good news and wanted to let y'all know! THANK YOU for all the support you've been to ME through the years! :)
 

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It seems that doctors support vaping, even while the FDA, WHO, CDC, and busybody nurses are all poo-pooing it. We really need to get the AMA to come out highly in favor of smokers switching to vaping.

The only [perhaps] heart-related issues I've ever suffered seem to have gone away completely, since I quit smoking and started vaping. I used to get that arrhythmia business, feeling like my heart was skipping a beat, then the central nervous system jumping on it with a real THUD; they did a cardiac ultrasound at one point, but they best they could determine was a perhaps *marginally* weak valve which would show some symptoms if I was highly over-caffeinated and over-stressed. I still get that feeling from time to time, but it seems far less frequent since switching to vaping.

The other thing, I began to notice last year, was this godawful humongous pain just to the left of my breatbone, very fast, breath-taking pain, but it would be gone before I even had time to make a noise about it. THAT worried me. I'm happy to say that since switching to vaping, I haven't had that pain at all. :thumb:

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Congrats!!

My doc is a supporter of vaping, also. He's noticed a massive improvement in my lung capacity since I stopped smoking and began vaping. He's even had staff members go to the local shop and bring some samples into the office to show other patients. 28 year tobacco user, 26 of those years as a smoker, and my COPD has lessened. My need for my inhalers has decreased...but is still there. I doubt I'll ever get off of those...I was diagnosed Asthmatic when I was 2. It was traced to my dad's heavy exposure to Agent Orange while in Vietnam.
 

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...godawful humongous pain just to the left of my breatbone, very fast, breath-taking pain, but it would be gone before I even had time to make a noise about it. THAT worried me. I'm happy to say that since switching to vaping, I haven't had that pain at all.

Come to think of it, back in my smokin' days, I also had a few 'breath taking' pains to the left of my breastbone, but none since vaping entered the scene. Plus, I can BREATHE again!

Yay for US! :)
 

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...Take your aspirin, (try to) keep stress to a minimum, and be sure to get your rest.
Thank You!

Yep...I'm getting about 6 hours a night now, and trying to make myself get 8. It does make a difference in how I feel.

I always hated 'sleeping'...seems like such a waste of time when there's so many threads I want to read on ECF. :?:
 

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It seems that doctors support vaping, even while the FDA, WHO, CDC, and busybody nurses are all poo-pooing it. We really need to get the AMA to come out highly in favor of smokers switching to vaping.

The only [perhaps] heart-related issues I've ever suffered seem to have gone away completely, since I quit smoking and started vaping. I used to get that arrhythmia business, feeling like my heart was skipping a beat, then the central nervous system jumping on it with a real THUD; they did a cardiac ultrasound at one point, but they best they could determine was a perhaps *marginally* weak valve which would show some symptoms if I was highly over-caffeinated and over-stressed. I still get that feeling from time to time, but it seems far less frequent since switching to vaping.

The other thing, I began to notice last year, was this godawful humongous pain just to the left of my breatbone, very fast, breath-taking pain, but it would be gone before I even had time to make a noise about it. THAT worried me. I'm happy to say that since switching to vaping, I haven't had that pain at all. :thumb:

Andria

Wouldn't it be nice if the AMA actually used common sense on this issue? Alas no, it seems unlikely... while two of their concerns make a lot of sense, the other two are just ridiculous - according to WebMD "the American Medical Association requested tighter restrictions on the sale and marketing of e-cigarettes. The AMA's recommendations include a minimum age of purchase; childproof packaging; restrictions on flavors that appeal to young people, and a ban on unsupported claims that the devices help people quit smoking." Benefits of E-Cigarettes May Outweigh Harms, Study Finds
 

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Come to think of it, back in my smokin' days, I also had a few 'breath taking' pains to the left of my breastbone, but none since vaping entered the scene. Plus, I can BREATHE again!

Yay for US! :)

Yay for us indeed! I'm still working on the "breathing again" part; that month of smoking after my illness put more crud in my lungs I'm still trying to get rid of, and too much VG makes it very difficult, but I'm getting there. Hopefully when I've gone *another* 110-115 days smoke-free, my breathing will be as clear as it was the day I had my appendectomy -- zero complications after that, they let me go home the same day, and I know that would NOT have been the case if I'd still been a smoker.

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First off, let me say I have afib and I vape. When I was first diagnosed with AFIB (about 10 years ago) I was a heavy smoker. My cardiologist (actually one who specialized in electrical issues with the heart) told me that they have no idea of the cause of AFIB. There are many things that exacerbate the symptoms, but they have never been able to find a cause. I received a pacemaker about 18 months after being diagnosed with AFIB, as there was no way to control it with meds. When I told my cardiologist that I had quit smoking and switched to vaping, he was overjoyed. To me, there cannot be a better endorsement of vaping than that.
 

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Yay for us indeed! I'm still working on the "breathing again" part; that month of smoking after my illness put more crud in my lungs I'm still trying to get rid of, and too much VG makes it very difficult, but I'm getting there.

I think you're right. Initially, I had great trouble making the switch to vaping, and was also a dual user for 21 months (beginning in 2009). My body had to adapt to PG, because 100% VG was way too much and made my lungs feel 'heavy' after a month or two. But overtime, I adapted. These days I DIY my PG/VG e-liquids to vary between 50/50 to 70/30. For ME, there was a period of getting used to both PG and VG.

AFTER I was able to make the complete switch to vaping (September 25, 2011), it took about 3 months before I began noticing a significant benefit to my breathing. Since then, I have felt better every month...except for when I completely went nic free this past April. It takes awhile, but you'll get there, too. I've made such progress, there's no way I'll ever go back to the discomfort I did NOT know I was experiencing while smoking. Hang in there! ;)

I think dr g is also right, that dropping the nic completely 'might' have been the cause of A-Fib in my case, but I seem to be over it for now. If I go permanently to 0mg nic in the future, I'll definitely adapt myself to move more slowly from 6mg, down to '0'. Seems like a small increment from 6mg to 0mg...but it was a bigger jump than I realized! :ohmy:

Yet, just making the switch - I'm certain - has given me greater benefits than I presently realize. :)
Bring on the 'benefits' so I can celebrate them even more! :D

AndriaD, I'm sending you some GOOD ENERGY and keeping you in my most positive thoughts. You get better ASAP! :thumb:
 
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First off, let me say I have afib and I vape. When I was first diagnosed with AFIB (about 10 years ago) I was a heavy smoker. My cardiologist (actually one who specialized in electrical issues with the heart) told me that they have no idea of the cause of AFIB. .....When I told my cardiologist that I had quit smoking and switched to vaping, he was overjoyed. To me, there cannot be a better endorsement of vaping than that.

Yep. Cardiologists seem to have a good understanding about the benefits of vaping over 'the alternative'. I don't know why that surprises me so much, but it does.

My brother (20 years younger) also had an experience with A-Fib in June. The ER put paddles on his chest and SHOCKED him back into rhythm. YIKES!
The diagnosis again was 'too much stress and too little rest'.

GET the REST, and FORGET the STRESS!!! :)

Good Luck, malkuth! Thanks for sharing.
 
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