My e;cig experience after 5 weeks

[Miss Diane]

Hi folks

I've been off the scene for a while but have been reading your comments regularly, it's now been 5 weeks (3rd July 2008) since i had my last real cigarete and cant say i've missed them at all. I will probably be banned from this forum after this thread but these are my own personal views and opinions and i thought that was what this forum was all about.

I dont agree with smokey joe about not selling this in main stream as i learnt about e:cig from a man on the street, who had seen somebody smoking one and enquired about it, ned looked it up on the internet and that was the start on my e:cig journey.

I have bought 5 mini e:cig / 3 super mini's / 2 classic penstyles / 1 sedansa diva /2 janty kiss boxes / 1 loong totem/ 1 sedansa cigar and lastly 1 generic cigar, from various suppliers. 4 in the uk-2 from europe and 1 from china.

As ned and myself have spoken to 5 suppliers in the uk over the last 7 weeks trying to do research i do feel that TB comments in a thread i will never trust your comments again is pathetic . I know he has valuable comments to put on this forum but so have others . Each individual has differing experiences with each product.

There are certain people who swear by only buying generics e:cig there are others who venture into expensive territory (like me) who have there favourites.

This is going off the subject but many moons ago i worked in a car garage
and was lucky enough to drive all the new cars.

You cant tell me that a standard escort is going to drive and perform like the top of the range high perfermance GT, In around about sort of way this is very similar to my opinion on ecig's

well back on track

With all the e:cigs I have 2 favourites one for day use and one for evening

I enjoy my classic penstyle for day use which is more of a work horse and harder to draw on but keeps the concentration and adrenalin going which i pick up on and off during the day.

for evening i choose the sedansa diva which is a much more relaxing draw whilst watching tv and good old glass of baileys.

The janty kissbox is very nice and also relaxing put that blasted switch does my head in and I feel it makes smoking hard work.

On the forum I know alot of people work with this type of cartridge you get so many puffs and another you get so many and all the mathematics of it all, i'm intrigued did anyone ever count how mant puffs/draws they had from a normal cigarette because after all there are many different shapes and sizes and strengths of those.

I'm a simple kind of girl when i'm not getting the nicotine kick from a cartridge i just change it. Personally i'm not into dripping . back to the old car again you put petrol in one end and turn the key the other and hopefully it goes every time.

Well i've had my moan and groan and hope i havent offended anybody but at the end of the day i dont know anybody personally on this forum and they dont know me so to an outsider looking in on this forum everybody is entitled to there own opinion.


Well as the cigars have arrived and are charged up i will try them today

 

[trog100]

i dont have any problems with what u have just said.. except perhaps your car analogy..

and u do not seem not to be short of cash.. your expenditures so far on e cigs must be astronomical.. also u have tried that many different types none of them as has had a real thrashing..

also the car analogy price difference would be %50 higher for the GT than the basic model.. but above all the running costs would be roughly the same and so would the cost of the fuel..

with the e cig we are talking price differences of 800% for the car (analogy) and 800% for the fuel to keep it going..

no one minds paying a small premium for better quality.. some however do object to being ripped off.. in a money no object world i would drive a Bentley Continental.. in my current world i drive a 16 year old Mitsubishi Pajero.. quality but old quality.. it cost me two grand.. not two hundred grand..

money means a lot in my world.. it all as to be brought into the final judgement.. the bottom line being no matter how good the product if i cant afford to run it.. its of no use to me..

trog

 

[Miss Diane]

[ Hi TRog

I dont have any problems with your comments either but as i work 10/12 hours a day every day miss diane is a very dull girl.

i also dont like being ripped off that's why i will buy supermarkets own branded goods.

smoking for me is an enjoyable experience , i dont go out and spend mega bucks on other social activities .

I also enjoy holidays but due to other commitments I have been unable to go so if i spend money on e:cig not only has it taken my mind off smoking roll ups but in the long run will also help me save money. at approx £50 per week i'm already a quarter of the way there and i have enough cartridges for possible about another 3 months.

As the old saying goes i work hard and play hard at what makes me happy. but in my world if i take a week off work i dont get paid so hence not going away and having to work long hours.

as for the car scenerio it was only a comment between bottom/top of the range and i could have used any other items, it was just from experience i was lucky enough to be able to drive all sorts.







quote=trog100;29912]i dont have any problems with what u have just said.. except perhaps your car analogy..

and u do not seem not to be short of cash.. your expenditures so far on e cigs must be astronomical.. also u have tried that many different types none of them as has had a real thrashing..

also the car analogy price difference would be %50 higher for the GT than the basic model.. but above all the running costs would be roughly the same and so would the cost of the fuel..

with the e cig we are talking price differences of 800% for the car (analogy) and 800% for the fuel to keep it going..

no one minds paying a small premium for better quality.. some however do object to being ripped off.. in a money no object world i would drive a Bentley Continental.. in my current world i drive a 16 year old Mitsubishi Pajero.. quality but old quality.. it cost me two grand.. not two hundred grand..

money means a lot in my world.. it all as to be brought into the final judgement.. the bottom line being no matter how good the product if i cant afford to run it.. its of no use to me..

trog[/quote]

 

[trog100]

we talk the same talk diane.. we simply want different things from our e cigs..

to u they are a luxury.. a pleasure.. to me they are simply an evil necessity i would rather not have to mess about with..

something i have to have simply to feed my addiction.. i dont want to spend more than i have to on them so as i can do exactly the same as u.. spend more on the things that do give me pleasure..

in short i want the super market own brand e cig.. he he he

nice thread some salient points have already been made..

u talk more sense than your old man does.. he he he

trog

ps.. i shop in aldis by the way.. he he

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Hi MissDiane (is your name from Crossroads, btw?)

No problem with any of your comments, but I have to say I was a bit mystified by Ned's stance on the other thread. It doesn't really fly. Nobody can reassure people by alluding to a conversation and then say they won't expand on it because it was personal.

I could give assurances that the King of Nigeria really does have twenty million quid that he just needs to pass through a European bank account (If anyone's interested, send me your bank details and I'll take it up with me old mate Onyesu). Check my posts, I'm a pretty straight guy, it's all kosher and legit. See what I mean?

If you or Ned do have information about GreenCig that would allay people's fears, I'd certainly be glad to hear it. But it's no reassurance at all to say the info's under the seal. As you say yourself, nobody on the forum knows each other personally (with a couple of exceptions, you and Ned, Karen and Rachel, for example), so if I posted 'these guys are all right, you can take my word for it' I'd expect the forum to require substantiation.

Ned has posted a lot of valuable information and I hope he'll carry on doing so (and I hope you'll keep posting too).

All the best

Emp

 

[Miss Diane]

we talk the same talk diane.. we simply want different things from our e cigs..

to u they are a luxury.. a pleasure.. to me they are simply an evil necessity i would rather not have to mess about with..

something i have to have simply to feed my addiction.. i dont want to spend more than i have to on them so as i can do exactly the same as u.. spend more on the things that do give me pleasure..

in short i want the super market own brand e cig.. he he he

nice thread some salient points have already been made..

u talk more sense than your old man does.. he he he

trog

ps.. i shop in aldis by the way.. he he

Aldi does a very nice baileys rip off Bally castle

 

[Miss Diane]

Hi MissDiane (is your name from Crossroads, btw?)

No problem with any of your comments, but I have to say I was a bit mystified by Ned's stance on the other thread. It doesn't really fly. Nobody can reassure people by alluding to a conversation and then say they won't expand on it because it was personal.

I could give assurances that the King of Nigeria really does have twenty million quid that he just needs to pass through a European bank account (If anyone's interested, send me your bank details and I'll take it up with me old mate Onyesu). Check my posts, I'm a pretty straight guy, it's all kosher and legit. See what I mean?

If you or Ned do have information about GreenCig that would allay people's fears, I'd certainly be glad to hear it. But it's no reassurance at all to say the info's under the seal. As you say yourself, nobody on the forum knows each other personally (with a couple of exceptions, you and Ned, Karen and Rachel, for example), so if I posted 'these guys are all right, you can take my word for it' I'd expect the forum to require substantiation.

Ned has posted a lot of valuable information and I hope he'll carry on doing so (and I hope you'll keep posting too).

All the best

Emp

I'm still not very good with how to post on this forum, i take your comments on board , although i cannot speak for ned the conversations with greencig were no different to conversations with smokester,java, pillbox or electrikcigarette. I feel people having taken neds comments the wrong way, but then is there a right way.

Greencig was commenting on it being a 2 piece very much i think like loong totem . On reading the threads green e cig on this forum i no nothing more than has already been written. I certainly wouldn't be prepared to give anybody my hard earned cash.

I think he is just another person trying to break onto the ecig scene but i do feel that anybody new nobody even seems to give them a chance, after all we all have to start somewhere.

 

[Oliver]

I don't know why you think you'd be banned for that post - we've banned 3 or 4 people in the entire nine months this board has run - and those were all for spamming!

I dont agree with smokey joe about not selling this in main stream as i learnt about e:cig from a man on the street, who had seen somebody smoking one and enquired about it, ned looked it up on the internet and that was the start on my e:cig journey.

I think you've missed my point. And frankly learning about the e-cig from a man on the street is not what I define as the e-cig going mainstream - you could learn about ...... from a man on the street. I mean, it's not like I was suggesting that we should all smoke our e-cigs furtively at home.

My point (for the nth time) is that at the moment the authorities are not doing anything about e-cigs because they see it as a fringe activity.

Remember, these devices are not legal - they could be banned at a stroke. And if and when someone dies, has a bad reaction or whatever, they will be banned.

Unless, that is, the medical authorities, public health boards and lawmakers etc can be persuaded that there is a good harm-reduction argument for them to be sold legally and openly.

And when this happens, they will become regulated and standardised, and probably more expensive.

The problem is that harm-reduction as a public health strategy has never ever been seriously considered by lawmakers and the public in general.

If e-cigs get promoted too hard before this happens, there will be a backlash.

I can see the Daily Mail (uk right-wing tabloid) headline now: "Dangers of electronic smoking devices" - "new craze threatens the health of smokers desperate to quit" or some such.

Remember that there are aspects that we as users are concerned about - the purity of the propylene glycol, the effects on the lungs, the dangers of long-term nicotine use. These will be seized on without any of the positives being explained.

 

[trog100]

Aldi does a very nice baileys rip off Bally castle

nice stuff.. i have a couple of bottles in stock.. he he

trog

 

[Oliver]

As far as GreenCig goes, I suspect the problem has been the claim of certification when in actual fact only a registration has been made, the seemingly high prices and the hype before launch. People hate hype!

Ned giving assurances as to the legitimacy of GreenCig and then revealing "business conversations" but not their content didn't help things much either, for obvious reasons.

My personal beef is with anyone who tries to push things mainstream prematurely.

 

[Miss Diane]

I don't know why you think you'd be banned for that post - we've banned 3 or 4 people in the entire nine months this board has run - and those were all for spamming!



I think you've missed my point. And frankly learning about the e-cig from a man on the street is not what I define as the e-cig going mainstream - you could learn about ...... from a man on the street. I mean, it's not like I was suggesting that we should all smoke our e-cigs furtively at home.

My point (for the nth time) is that at the moment the authorities are not doing anything about e-cigs because they see it as a fringe activity.

Remember, these devices are not legal - they could be banned at a stroke. And if and when someone dies, has a bad reaction or whatever, they will be banned.

Unless, that is, the medical authorities, public health boards and lawmakers etc can be persuaded that there is a good harm-reduction argument for them to be sold legally and openly.

And when this happens, they will become regulated and standardised, and probably more expensive.

The problem is that harm-reduction as a public health strategy has never ever been seriously considered by lawmakers and the public in general.

If e-cigs get promoted too hard before this happens, there will be a backlash.

I can see the Daily Mail (uk right-wing tabloid) headline now: "Dangers of electronic smoking devices" - "new craze threatens the health of smokers desperate to quit" or some such.

Remember that there are aspects that we as users are concerned about - the purity of the propylene glycol, the effects on the lungs, the dangers of long-term nicotine use. These will be seized on without any of the positives being explained.

Hi smokey joe

this is exactly what i mean about different people making statements and the comments being taken the right or wrong way.

when i'm talking mainstream it's not in retail outlets or anything like that i.e bingo halls /pubs/off licenses/supermarkets to name but a few but i mean main stream as i tell someone who tells someone and before you know it that person takes it to work for a ... break or drives it in their company car and hey presto another dozen or so people have been helped out for there nicotine addiction.

i hopes this clarifies what i mean by mainstream and how different people can take different wording or comments.

 

[Miss Diane]

As far as GreenCig goes, I suspect the problem has been the claim of certification when in actual fact only a registration has been made, the seemingly high prices and the hype before launch. People hate hype!

Ned giving assurances as to the legitimacy of GreenCig and then revealing "business conversations" but not their content didn't help things much either, for obvious reasons.

My personal beef is with anyone who tries to push things mainstream prematurely.

I hope i've clarified what i class as mainstream in my previously reply.

 

[trog100]

some of us take the view that mother will ban or over control the product when she can no longer ignore it.. the keep it low profile brigade..

some of us take a more favorable view of mother and think she will welcome the new product and the sooner she does the better.. the tell the world brigade..

only time will tell which brigade is correct..

trog

 

[Oliver]

How can something be mainstream if it could be sold in retail outlets but, for whatever reason, isn't?

I think you've developed your own definition.

I am with Smokester et al, I think getting good products to those who want them at a reasonable price via the internet is the most important thing right now.

But I think that we need to really concert our efforts to getting the e-cig noticed by those who can make a difference with the law, before a heavy handed supplier or manufacturer comes in and ruins it for all of us.

 

[Oliver]

some of us take the view that mother will ban or over control the product when she can no longer ignore it.. the keep it low profile brigade..

some of us take a more favorable view of mother and think she will welcome the new product and the sooner she does the better.. the tell the world brigade..

only time will tell which brigade is correct..

trog

Not quite. What I am saying is that if the first is likely to happen (which I think it is), we can try to counter that by organising effectively.

In fact, I am am advocating a third option which is to bring it to the attention of the lawmakers via professionals who see the public health advantages of the e-cigarette as harm reduction.

You, on the other hand, have decided that the best way is to do nothing other than snipe at the sidelines making droll comments on a forum!

 

[trog100]

joe.. at the moment these things are legal in the UK..

American's have rights written down.. if it isnt written down its legality is in doubt..

the british dont have any rights written down.. this dosnt mean they dont have rights.. the british system work in reverse to the american one.. if it isnt written down we cant do it.. its legal..

clever words from a clever britsh statesmen..

so until mother says we cant do it.. its assumed to be legal and we can do it.. he he he

trog

 

[CaSHMeRe]

if it isnt written down we cant do it.. its legal..

Isn't this a contradiction?

Just because its not written down here in the USA, doesn't mean its not legal to use/do. We have Federal/National Rights, and rights granted per the state.

For instance, Motorcycle Lane Sharing in California. Its outlawed in 48 states I believe, and here in California, its allowed. Its allowed, because there is no written law against it, and no written law for it. Because of this, we are allowed to lane share.

 

[Miss Diane]

How can something be mainstream if it could be sold in retail outlets but, for whatever reason, isn't?

I think you've developed your own definition.

that comment is exactly what i have said about different words meaning different things to different people


I am with Smokester et al, I think getting good products to those who want them at a reasonable price via the internet is the most important thing right now.

But I think that we need to really concert our efforts to getting the e-cig noticed by those who can make a difference with the law, before a heavy handed supplier or manufacturer comes in and ruins it for all of us.

REply
Yes i have given smokester's website to many, but not everyone has a computer or knows how to use one . sad in this day and age but true. there are also people who have computers but wont pay or give there personal details for anything over the web. I actually know someone personally my next door neighbor actually who had a bad experience with credit/debit card fraud,

 

[trog100]

my comments are aimed at people in general joe.. i have a tongue in cheek way of saying things..

i have put forward the "smoker license" dude.. a very valid proposal.. now if u want to act on a sensible suggestion the suggestion is there..

me.. i have better thing to do than fight officialdom for real.. they aint gonna take the lesser harm argument as u well know..

the "smokers license" is a way around this..

a snide comment or a valuable suggestion.. i dont see u making any better ones.. care to debate the idea.. ???

trog

ps.. why do i write as i do.. mainly cos i think the current world is pretty insane and the only way i can tolerate or even talk about it is in semi jest.. in short i cant take any of it seriously any more..

 

[Oliver]

joe.. at the moment these things are legal in the UK..

American's have rights written down.. if it isnt written down its legality is in doubt..

the british dont have any rights written down.. this dosnt mean they dont have rights.. the british system work in reverse to the american one.. if it isnt written down we cant do it.. its legal..

clever words from a clever britsh statesmen..

so until mother says we cant do it.. its assumed to be legal and we can do it.. he he he

trog

Nicotine is regulated in the UK by the medicines control authority (from memory). Nicotine occupies a gray legal area as far as alternative methods of delivery are concerned - I don't think it can in any way be described as legal.

Obviously the devices themselves are legal, but the liquid?