My Nicotine Factor = 48, What's Yours

[Topwater Elvis]

So what happens if you're already using NRTs?

I can't speak for your company or your insurance providers policies, most require a doctors participation in what is considered an approved NRT program.
Self administration of NRT's ( gum, patch etc) is very seldom recognized by ins / drs/ hr depts. Your levels must drop as your participation in the program continues, if they don't you have failed the program & will be considered a smoker until testing proves otherwise.

What really sucks is many are going with this a former smoker must be free from nicotine for 12 - 24 months to be re classified as a non smoker crap & since you flunked out of the NRT program, testing for reclassification is on your dime.

 

[Sgt.Rock]

Lately it's dripping 3 mg for me...between 15 and 20 mls per day--so 45 to 60 going by your scale.

 

[VNeil]

I think i know what you're saying, it just seemed you were using ml and mg interchangeably. Regardless, i am not too concerned about nicotine use. My nicotine use has naturally been going down as i vape less. I have no intention of going down from 12 mg/ml, so any further reduction in nicotine use will come via vaping less. When i started, i was vaping 5 to 6 ml of 18 mg/ml so my nicotine use is already halved.

I'm pretty sure I got all my mls and mgs right, but I could certainly use an editor sometimes

I am trying to get my nic down, but only because of the politics. I'm really sorry now that I waited so long to vape. I'm a product of the 70s, when I smoked on airplanes, in any seat, smoked in college lecture halls. So after being painted into microscopic corners as a smoker, it was refreshing, a year ago to start vaping. I could vape in bars for example, which have been off limits for years. I spent the entire winter vaping in bars while the smokers had to go outside and freeze their a$$es off. It was like a time machine back to the 70s, almost.

But now I'm prepared for vaping to be fully as marginalized as smoking, and I will be painted into the same microscopic corner. So I'd like to limit my inconvenience as much as possible. So I do care about reducing the nic, but just because of the lousy politics of it.

 

[Big Me]

I can't speak for your company or your insurance providers policies, most require a doctors participation in what is considered an approved NRT program.
Self administration of NRT's ( gum, patch etc) is very seldom recognized by ins / drs/ hr depts. Your levels must drop as your participation in the program continues, if they don't you have failed the program & will be considered a smoker until testing proves otherwise.

What really sucks is many are going with this a former smoker must be free from nicotine for 12 - 24 months to be re classified as a non smoker crap & since you flunked out of the NRT program, testing for reclassification is on your dime.

My doctor already approves of me vaping and any company that dictates such a stupid policy can go kiss my

I'm so glad I'm in the UK.

 

[Mazinny]

I'm pretty sure I got all my mls and mgs right, but I could certainly use an editor sometimes

I am trying to get my nic down, but only because of the politics. I'm really sorry now that I waited so long to vape. I'm a product of the 70s, when I smoked on airplanes, in any seat, smoked in college lecture halls. So after being painted into microscopic corners as a smoker, it was refreshing, a year ago to start vaping. I could vape in bars for example, which have been off limits for years. I spent the entire winter vaping in bars while the smokers had to go outside and freeze their a$$es off. It was like a time machine back to the 70s, almost.

But now I'm prepared for vaping to be fully as marginalized as smoking, and I will be painted into the same microscopic corner. So I'd like to limit my inconvenience as much as possible. So I do care about reducing the nic, but just because of the lousy politics of it.

Marginalization is already in full swing in NYC. When i first started vaping was allowed in public spaces. I even vaped on subway platforms. It changed last year though. Thankfully many bars do not enforce the law though ( although some do ), and non vaping patrons don't mind so long as we are being reasonable and not clouding up the joint.

 

[VNeil]

Marginalization is already in full swing in NYC. When i first started vaping was allowed in public spaces. I even vaped on subway platforms. It changed last year though. Thankfully many bars do not enforce the law though ( although some do ), and non vaping patrons don't mind so long as we are being reasonable and not clouding up the joint.

It is interesting how unreasonable smoking and vaping policies are training citizens to ignore the law. I wonder if TPTB ever thought that one through completely. Maybe I'm an anarchist at heart but I hope that becomes more common.

 

[Mazinny]

It is interesting how unreasonable smoking and vaping policies are training citizens to ignore the law. I wonder if TPTB ever thought that one through completely. Maybe I'm an anarchist at heart but I hope that becomes more common.

I haven't heard of any summonses being issued for vaping ( unlike smoking ) in public spaces. I don't believe the city wants the summonses being challenged in court ( since they amended the existing smoking laws ), fearing that a ruling against the amended law would set a precedent.

 

[VNeil]

I haven't heard of any summonses being issued for vaping ( unlike smoking ) in public spaces. I don't believe the city wants the summonses being challenged in court ( since they amended the existing smoking laws ), fearing that a ruling against the amended law would set a precedent.

Any idea what the basis of a successful challenge would be?

 

[Mazinny]

Any idea what the basis of a successful challenge would be?

Not in detail, but something to do with the way the laws need to be enacted in NYC. There can't be any piggybacking on an existing law ( one subject rule ). I will see if i can do a search.

 

[satchvai]

I'm thinking 45 3mg x 15ml a day dripping on a RDA. Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster I DIY.

 

[VNeil]

Not in detail, but something to do with the way the laws need to be enacted in NYC. There can't be any piggybacking on an existing law. I will see if i can do a search.

If that is a concern why didn't they just write a vaping law? It's not like they have much opposition to those things.

 

[Mazinny]

If that is a concern why didn't they just write a vaping law? It's not like they have much opposition to those things.

Don't really know, maybe they wanted to enact it without going through extensive public hearings. Here's a link to a group suing NYC over the rule :

NYC E-Cig Ban - Legal Fund

 

[Boden]

4mL at 16mg = 64

70/30 PG/VG 1% flavoring

 

[VNeil]

Don't really know, maybe they wanted to enact it without going through extensive public hearings. Here's a link to a group suing NYC over the rule :

NYC E-Cig Ban - Legal Fund

Interesting. I hope they win that battle.

 

[ykalon]

8-10ml x 6mg = 48-60

 

[rhm3769]

Averaging out at 36.... 2-4 ml x 12mg....
About to take the step down to 6mg....

Not too worried about the insurance piece.... My work claims smokers average an extra $2k in medical bills a year, so they "charge" smokers $780 more a year for insurance.... I've only had routine check-ups, and blood tests since diabetes runs in the family unrelated to smoking, the last 4 years or so, was a PAD smoker for about 10 years and a vaper for two years now, I have no issues claiming I'm not a smoker, because I'm not, they go on the honor system, and I have not seen it written in policy although there is talk about vapers needing to claim they are smokers. I'm not paying extra for something I'm only paying for to get my family covered and because Obama says I need it.
I figure if they were really serious about it, they'd have mandatory tests. And, while I fully intend to cut down on nicotine in the future, I claim I'm a smoker and I'm forever labeled as one and charged extra until I complete a company-supervised program to quit and stay nicotine-free for another 6 months....

 

[VHRB2014]

Ell if I know. I got enough stuff to keep track of, :?)
(for the record I vape between 15 and 30 mg depending on what I`m vaping)

 

[Bunnykiller]

been doing 5-6ml a day at 36 nic ... 216 mg/day

 

[Tmg666]

Now we just need an updated nicotine absorbtion test with current devices and toppers to see how much approximately is absorbed for you all.

 

[pennysmalls]

6-10 ml's per day at 12mg/ml. 72-120 mg per day.