MYTHS and FACTS about Batteries + mods

[warp1900]

MYTHS and FACTS about batteries + mods


OK, i have been a reader in this forum and obviously will never be able to put up with so
many threads, but i have in 3-4 months gone through pretty much each one of them only in the modders forum which obviously is my favorite.
I have also built about 35 mods + during this same time, some of the first were failures
or just uncomfortable to use.


I see so many people making FALSE claims about how their
SUPER-EXTRA-DUPER-ABSOLUTELY-GIGA-AWESOME mod
will vape more, faster, better, longer, hotter, harder, etc.

SORRY I HAD TO EDIT THIS TO MAKE IT MORE VISIBLE TO ALL SINCE SOME (MANY) SEEM TO SKIP THIS LINE ALTOGETHER.
I don't blame the manufacturers or modders for the false claims, i blame the people that
do the reviews.
I don't blame the manufacturers or modders for the false claims, i blame the people that
do the reviews.
I don't blame the manufacturers or modders for the false claims, i blame the people that
do the reviews.

The problem is that most, and i mean about 95% of the people doing reviews have either
very little knowledge or absolutely no clue about what they are talking about. Others, having a good understanding of e-cigs, still choose to follow the hype and make bogus claims, either because they are being “sponsored” in some way, or just because they want to believe their own lies.
But since you don't need a special license or permit to do reviews, and there are lots of people out there that love to show off on camera, we have an avalanche of "reviewers" doing it.
Anyways, nothing new if we consider infomercials on TV.
I also have to blame everybody else, because most people tend to believe anything they are told.
(e.g., the banks need a bailout, or most anything else they say on the news on TV)


I have seen video reviews ranging from the 401 to the Screw Driver to the Prodigy to all the
self made mods with a video demo. Some are amusing, some are even funny, others are
loooong and boring and some are scary or even creepy.
Basically every video i have seen shows us how much vapor that particular model/brand
can produce. Actually, most times, when people request a modder for a video, they ask
for a vaping demo to see how much vapor the new mod produces...
I will not mention any reviewer's names here since the list would be even longer than this text, and because it is not relevant to it's objective.


So here is a list of myths i see frequently and i am posting them here so people can
understand all the fuzz about self made mods and commercially produced ones.
I hope this helps you make a more informed evaluation.


I am not the expert here, but i have been around long enough to know what the myths are.


First, we need to define what a battery mod is with a simple "formula".


BATTERY MOD = battery container/holder/controller.

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[warp1900]

Here are the myths:


MYTH 1- The ScrewDriver is the holy grail of e-cigarettes


FACT- No, the SD was one of the first mods to look nice, clean and not cause as many
problems as most others would, it still holds up pretty well with todays mods and I personally believe that it's biggest drawback is the switch placement, and of course the huge price tag. (that is just my opinion)


MYTH 2- The Prodigy, AdapteveR, GG, SD, Silver Bullet, T1, copper pipes, magnums, etc. produce
massive amounts of vapor compared to the "others".


FACT- Mods DO NOT produce more or less vapor, POWER sources do.


All the mods you might have seen or even tried yourself use the very same batteries (3.7 volts, with one exception being 3.0 volt batteries X 2), and if you have a basic understanding of them and a little electrical knowledge, you know this for a fact.

Bottom line: There are only a few differences between battery types.
A- battery size = battery usable time.(NOT POWER(voltage))
B- battery brands make no difference in performance, (voltage is voltage), the only
difference being the longevity of each brand.
C- There is only 2 different ways you can power any mod:
1-Power it at 3,7 volts or at 6.0 volts.(or something in between with more
electronics added)
2-Power your mod for longer periods of time depending on the mAh (Milli Ampere X hour)
of the battery.


MYTH 3-The throat hit of certain mods is bigger and better.


FACT - Again, the throat hit does not depend on one mod or another, it only depends on:
A- the type of atomizer you are using (801,901,510,401, etc)
B- the juice (liquid) you prefer and the amount of nicotine in the juice.
C- the way you inhale the vapor.
D- How long you inhale the vapor.
E- How fresh (recent) is the charge on your battery.


FACT- The only REAL difference between one mod or another, is looks, functionality,
versatility, durability, etc.
NONE of this related to the amount of vapor itself.


FACT- The tiny slim factory battery that came with your 801, 901, 401, 510, etc. kit,
has the exact same power, (voltage) as a huge 18650 battery which measures 2.5 inches long
and almost 3/4 inch thick and weights about 15 times as much, and it will produce the
exact same amount of vapor!
The problem /difference is you will get just a few hours from the factory one vs. many
hours from a 18650.


MYTH 4- MY battery last longer than yours.


FACT- Battery life depends on each user, some people have a couple of puffs and put the
e-cig down for a good while, and others (like me), puff non stop for hours without putting it down unless we need to refill. Obviously the duration of the battery will have no point of comparison there.
Some people can go perfectly on a factory battery for a whole day, while others (like me) need to have special setups with 2 18650 batteries that will hold for a good day and a half at the cost of carrying half a pound of batteries around.

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[warp1900]

Conclusion- best battery size= size of your personal need.


There is also a psychological factor involved in vaping, just like anything else, i feel
my BIG battery vapes better than the tiny wimpy one my 801 came with.


Some of the details added to a mod make a physical/mechanical difference on a mod:


1- the switch is a very important part of any mod, since they come with different size,
shape, response, colors, feel and durability.
2- the size and shape of the mod itself and how it fits in the hand and how the hand/fingers
interact with the switch position.
3- the sturdiness of the body of the mod (how easy or hard it is to brake or mess up)
4- there are other considerations to make about each one of the mods, (there are
thousands of slight variations), but it is impossible to list all since these are
mostly personal and unique to the user. It would take many pages and a lot of time/patience to
list them. (as if this was already not long enough fhewwwww)


Here is a table of the types of batteries most commonly used by vapers.

All information on it is approximate and is intended only as reference since sometimes
you will find small size and rating differences even on same battery manufacturer models.

I don't hold all the knowledge, i try to learn every day and probably some things in this
text will be corrected, but i think it is pretty accurate so i hope it will help people
that are starting up or others.
Some might disagree on the fact that all 3.7 volt batteries vape the same regardless of
the container they are being held in. (even trog would agree on this one), To them i
dedicate this.


If you were stubborn enough to read through all this posting, you have been initiated to
the world of modding. Welcome!


Probably some manufacturers here will hate me for putting this information out, specially the ones that base their “business” on the above mentioned false claims. So be it, I love all mods and I have nothing against any of them, but I do have a chip on my shoulder when lies are told about them.

Also, i don't mean to have preference for any specific brand if i forgot to mention some, it is because there are so many now, it is hard for me to remember all, please remind me!

WARNING:​

This is the end of the main body of this thread, proceed to the rest of it at your own risk, it can either be a lot of fun or become very annoying. I am not responsible for what anyone else posted after this point except my own. There are very interesting comments and also overly simplistic nonsense and many none related posts as well.

Thank you for reading

 

[Burnie]

Very Good Post

Burnie

 

[Ridewithme38]

I think you over explained it...These Battery mod's that some pay up to $200 are nothing more the Battery cases with switches...Really there are no major difference between any of them...So if you like to flush money...Buy the one you think is the "Prettiest" If not build one yourself for $20

 

[guting]

absolute truth

 

[warp1900]

Thank you Burnie.





If anyone believes there is anything important i left out, or something needs to be corrected please let me know or simply add your post here, just please try to stick to facts as much as possible. I tried to do it as much as possible myself.
Thank you.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

LOL ... I found this post more amusing than anything else. Very nice break down warp ...

But you have to remember .... LOTS of things can be *manipulated* by people .... Manual switches, draw length, etc....

Let me ask you this ......... In your opinion, does Amperage pay roll is vapor volume/density?

 

[CaSHMeRe]

MYTH 2- The Prodigy, GG, SD, Silver Bullet, T1, copper pipes, magnums, etc. produce
massive amounts of vapor compared to the "others".


FACT- Mods DO NOT produce more or less vapor, POWER sources do.

Warp ... In many people's eyes, Mods and power sources are 1 in the same, but the *mod* as you like to call it is the driving force of putting that power to work. That is of course, you would like to tape, 2 batteries inline, add a power wire with a button in the middle to the center post of a battery and add a length of wire from the ground (bottom) of the batteries and resolder to the other end to the outside threads of that same brass piece.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Also ....

Those with Manual 801/901/510 batts .... Mind putting a multi to them and testing what their voltage is unloaded?

 

[warp1900]

LOL ... I found this post more amusing than anything else. Very nice break down warp ...

But you have to remember .... LOTS of things can be *manipulated* by people .... Manual switches, draw length, etc....

Let me ask you this ......... In your opinion, does Amperage pay roll is vapor volume/density?

I am not that wise when it comes to electronic / electric subjects, but as far as i can tell, yes it does play a role, even though, as i mention on the myths and facts, the batteries that modders are limited to, have basically same electric characteristics so the results should be the same.

Passthroughs, wall warts, portable power supplies, etc, are a completely different subject.

 

[warp1900]

Also ....

Those with Manual 801/901/510 batts .... Mind putting a multi to them and testing what their voltage is unloaded?

...Not sure what you are trying to get to.

 

[Ridewithme38]

Warp ... In many people's eyes, Mods and power sources are 1 in the same, but the *mod* as you like to call it is the driving force of putting that power to work. That is of course, you would like to tape, 2 batteries inline, add a power wire with a button in the middle to the center post of a battery and add a length of wire from the ground (bottom) of the batteries and resolder to the other end to the outside threads of that same brass piece.

hmm...Put that in a Pretty Plastic Case and you can sell it for 139.95!

 

[CaSHMeRe]

I am not that wise when it comes to electronic / electric subjects, but as far as i can tell, yes it does play a role, even though, as i mention on the myths and facts, the batteries that modders are limited to, have basically same electric characteristics so the results should be the same.

Passthroughs, wall warts, portable power supplies, etc, are a completely different subject.

Then what you are essentially saying is 801 batts and RCR123's (3.7v) will NOT vape the same

3.7v at 180mAh will vape different than 3.7v at 750mAh and higher ....

 

[CaSHMeRe]

...Not sure what you are trying to get to.

Simply trying to see what stock batt's voltages are unloaded ... Then you can clarify a few things

hmm...Put that in a Pretty Plastic Case and you can sell it for 139.95!

you'll be a millionaire by lunchtime ridewithme ... best of luck kiddo

 

[Ridewithme38]

mAh is basicly how long the battery will maintain a charge(Basicly theres a lot more to it but thats the basics) How batteries compare have to do with Voltage Amperage and Resistance...

A Freshly Charged 3.7v 160mAh battery and A Freshly Charged 3.7v 750mAh battery will Vape EXACTLY THE SAME....

 

[warp1900]

Then what you are essentially saying is 801 batts and RCR123's (3.7v) will NOT vape the same

3.7v at 180mAh will vape different than 3.7v at 750mAh and higher ....

I never said that and they will NOT vape the same, they will except one will vape for longer time than the other.

 

[warp1900]

I suggest to the people that are reading this thread at the speed of light that they slow down and read it again, because i see you skipped/missed parts of it. There is no need to repeat things over and over.

I know it's long, but please bare with me.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

mAh is basicly how long the battery will maintain a charge(Basicly theres a lot more to it but thats the basics) How batteries compare have to do with Voltage Amperage and Resistance...

A Freshly Charged 3.7v 160mAh battery and A Freshly Charged 3.7v 750mAh battery will Vape EXACTLY THE SAME....

True ... and that is what you would expect .... No doubt amp hours is simply that ... amount of time you will get .... BUT, vape a PT at 500mAh, then vape that same PT at 2000mAh and there is a difference

I suggest to the people that are reading this thread at the speed of light that they slow down and read it again, because i see you skipped/missed parts of it. There is no need to repeat things over and over.

I know it's long, but bare with me.

Trust me ... I went over it all The moral of the story is a *mod* is simply a battery holding device ... Bravo my friend ...

 

[warp1900]

Simply trying to see what stock batt's voltages are unloaded ... Then you can clarify a few things

Clarify? LOL,
3 pages of text plus a table is not clear enough? Pardon me.

Anyways, most batteries, stock or not, freshly charged hold anywhere between 4.2 to 5.2 volts

Unloaded? i really don't know, and i don't think it is relevant to this thread.