MYTHS and FACTS about Batteries + mods

[bzlytbeer]

Incorrect. There are *3* for sale mods that are worthwhile using my criteria:

1) Brings special features to the table. If it's just a battery box, I can make one of those pretty cheap.
2) Brings higher than 3.7 volts to the table
3) Constructed from scratch, not a cheap modified flashlight

And those mods are:

1) The Prodigy
*juice catch under the atty connector is insanely awesome and convenient
*5V really is a "sweet spot"
*Button placement is ideal
*Construction is very modular and solid
*batteries are protected
*All parts machined.

2) The Super-T
*Blast direction vents in case of battery issues
*Lockable MECHANICAL button, not electronic
*No soldering, wires, etc
*Completely machined
*Adjustable airflow
*Completely Mechanical

3) The GG
*Completely machined
*Completely mechanical
*Arguably the nicest looking heirloom quality mod made.
*Heavy innovation from the creator in the form of auto juice feed, and a custom atomizer.

Honorable Mention (because the prices aren't outrageous)

1) BillyBoy's double atomizer mods
*Because it's a friggin double atomizer mod

2) The "Copper" and "The Box" from Atmosusa
*Because they are both inexpensive, and the push to vape on the Copper is pretty badass.


Anything else I've seen *FOR SALE* brings absolutely nothing special to the table at all, or is outrageously priced for being 90 percent flashlight. That's just my opinion though. Let the holywar begin.

I completely agree. If I did not make my own mods, I would definitely want to buy one of the ones you listed above that were made to be exactly what they are. Not a mod made from someone else's product (ie. screwdriver - no offense Trog!). I give a lot of credit for those of you who have taken the leap to manufacture a product. You take the chance of it not being sold and all of your time spend on R&D. I know they are all still battery holders, but I like to buy a car to be a car, not a wagon that was modified to be a car....

 

[Zofryer]

We'll i've got to admit that post added absolutly nothing to this conversation...Zofry please if you don't have anything to add don't post...I understand that some people get frustrated when they get confused...But terms like Troll and Personal attacks while they may make you feel better about yourself...do not make others look upon you in a good light...

You can come back to the Adult table when you feel you can control these immature outbusts

I'm sorry your feelings got hurt when I pointed out your utter stupidity and pricetag jealousy, and inability to read a thread and determine that the Prodigy is 100 percent made from scratch. Argue with me that the machining and materials in a Mustang GT are every bit as good as anything ferrari ever made. Your inability to understand the value of things not only negates anything you have to say, but invalidates any opinion you could possible have about anyone, including me. Go peddle your jerk-league trolling somewhere appropriate like a kid's gaming forum before I call your mother.

EDIT: Jeeze, I was just kidding. I'm not actually going to call your mother.

 

[warp1900]

I'm not missing a damn thing bud ... I went over voltages in roughly 3 sentences ... you wrote it in (3) 2,000 word posts ....

You also need reading comprehension speed course if you believe that voltages on batteries is what all that text is about.

Should I bring up the whole spiel going on, on the SD YouTube video? I actually don't like to argue, I do enjoy trying to test people though

You are free to do so, i couldn't care less, i don't sell anything as others here do wink , wink

No need for what? I broke down your 6,000 words, and made them like 80 ...

Again... you have reading problems, and you shouldn't be counting words in anybody's threads, it is bad for your health.

oi vey ... i give up here ...

LMAO, i really doubt it, you DO have an agenda here and you are just a thread crasher.

Stated in the last lines of the 3rd page of this thread i was expecting some to behave in a weird way, and you prove that there is always an agenda when there is money involved.

What are you so afraid of Cash?
Are you hiding something?
You are lucky i didn't choose to post MY opinion on the USB passthrough i purchased form you.
You need to be more careful to choose who you mess with my friend, sometimes the same people you are trying to discredit can be your very own customers.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

What part of the Prodigy is built from Scratch? The Cartridge?, The Atomizer?, The Batteries?, The Switch?

Raw Aluminum ... Raw Brass ...
1. I don't believe in Cartridges
2. I can't fathom trying to offer an atomizer that costs $30-$40 USD to produce
3. Batteries/Resistor/Switch are purchased, but are nothing alone unless built in to a device.

Really if your going to say something is built from scratch you may need more then just a Case and/or adaptor included...

You're right ... I should go find and mine smelting coal and iron ore THEN melt it, to make steel, THEN machine it .... I guess mine is just a flashlight born from the depths of the earth ...

What purpose would that case and adapter have without an ACTUAL PV's Cartridges or atomizers? Or the Off the Shelf Batteries?

The Prodigy again, is built from scratch ... the atomizer is not. It was built for atomizers, but an atomizer itself was not built specifically for the Prodigy ...

Without the Batteries or PV's That are ALL Produced by someone else...What do you have? It's just a piece of Plastic/Metal/Rubber with a funny screw on the top

Are you trying to say they were mined out of the rice fields in China??? According to you, raw materials aren't scratch ....

So, in your opinion ... building something from scratch only entails if I make the entire UNIT? Including cartridges, atomizers, etc... ?

I ask, because that must mean, ecig manufacturers don't and they are also flashlights. for the simply fact, they don't produce their own liquid to fill cartridges and their parts are outsourced ....

your argument is ......ed ridewithme ... there are thousands of companies that rely on an existence of contract manufacturing certain parts from scratch, yes raw materials .... because they don't make the entire THING, you don't believe they are making anything from scratch ...

 

[Minimike]

All else being equal - a 150maH Li ion battery and a 750maH Li ion battery will vape exactly the same on the first few puffs.

Where the difference begins to show is after some number of puffs. The initial 4.2 volts on the batteries will go down towards the minimum allowed for the protected battery. The 750maH will maintain a higher voltage than the 150maH battery, as time goes by. The higher voltage will cause more current to flow, thus more wattage into heat. When the 150maH battery has drained down to3 volts, the 750maH battery will still be up at 3.7 volts.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

You also need reading comprehension speed course if you believe that voltages on batteries is what all that text is about.

Its all it should have been about because nothin else really matters ...

You are free to do so, i couldn't care less, i don't sell anything as others here do wink , wink

No need, I was simply pointing something out since you felt like I like to start arguments ...

Again... you have reading problems, and you shouldn't be counting words in anybody's threads, it is bad for your health.

No, I can read just fine thank you ...

LMAO, i really doubt it, you DO have an agenda here and you are just a thread crasher.

Whats my agenda warp? I feel like a voice for other manufacturers and modders ... You trash one product (ie: the SD) and a well respected forum member, I call you out .... all is fair game I would say ...

What are you so afraid of Cash?

Joanna finding out what I am hiding under my bed

Are you hiding something?

still in the closet

You are lucky i didn't choose to post MY opinion on the USB passthrough i purchased form you.

Go for it kiddo ... then make something better in larger quantities and sell it

You need to be more careful to choose who you mess with my friend, sometimes the same people you are trying to discredit can be your very own customers.

Sorry, I don't feel like I am messing with you ... I take offense when a mod and forum member that I have respect for is called out ... You call them out, I call you out. Whether client or not, I will die for those I respect ...

 

[Ridewithme38]

I'm sorry your feelings got hurt when I pointed out your utter stupidity and pricetag jealousy, and inability to read a thread and determine that the Prodigy is 100 percent made from scratch. Argue with me that the machining and materials in a Mustang GT are every bit as good as anything ferrari ever made. Your inability to understand the value of things not only negates anything you have to say, but invalidates any opinion you could possible have about anyone, including me. Go peddle your jerk-league trolling somewhere appropriate like a kid's gaming forum before I call your mother.

Wow...an inability to even stay on topic....Attacks to try to bring down my validity all while mumbling nothing...Its amazing how much wasted space can be used by people with nothing to say...

Your attacks on me are because i was asking specifics about his comment about being "100% Made from Scratch" I Stated that the Cartridges, Attomizer, Batteries Really EVERYTHING that makes it a PV Are made by other people....Are NOT made by him...And the Only thing that is POSSIBLY "100% Made from Scratch" Would be that Case, switch(Maybe) and an Adapter...

I also pointed out that without the mass produced products that HE DOES NOT MAKE...His product would be nothing more then a chunk of plastic/rubber/metal with a funny screw sticking out of the top...To sell a Chunk of Plastic/Rubber/Metal with a Screw adapter for $139.95 is Criminal IMO....

What about that post angered you? Did you miss read? Can i help you with a word or two?

 

[framitz]

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[makdevo]

Just my two puffs

Airflow plays a very important role in vapor and taste as well as heat.

The atomizer is a series ciruit, the current remains the same always!
The fillament resistance is different between atomizer models.
The fillament resistance will change as it heats.

Stock batteries can't compete with mod batteries. The current is just not there. Under load the voltage will drop very quickly and take time to recover. At some point it will no longer be effective.

For me these are important (below), thats why I make my own battery mods.

Repair: Things break, I just keep some spare parts on hand. It is easier for me to repair it then send it back.

Air flow: some atomizers need more, some need less. My mods include a method for dealing with these differences.

Mod batteries: They charge quicker, they last longer, they are less expensive.

Liquid leaks: lets face it. liquids leak. Mods handle leaks better, just dry it, clean it and start again. Generally speaking, leaking won't kill a mod.

I agree, all the new models mentioned in this thread just seem to be battery mods, some are better than others, all are very expensive. Machined parts cost money!

Battery mods, weather machined or platic cases rule!

But by far the pass thru is the best. 5V vaping is the sweet spot for my 801 ato.

A DIY pass thru is very easy to make and inexpensive.

 

[Zofryer]

Wow...an inability to even stay on topic....Attacks to try to bring down my validity all while mumbling nothing...Its amazing how much wasted space can be used by people with nothing to say...

Your attacks on me are because i was asking specifics about his comment about being "100% Made from Scratch" I Stated that the Cartridges, Attomizer, Batteries Really EVERYTHING that makes it a PV Are made by other people....Are NOT made by him...And the Only thing that is POSSIBLY "100% Made from Scratch" Would be that Case, switch(Maybe) and an Adapter...

I also pointed out that without the mass produced products that HE DOES NOT MAKE...His product would be nothing more then a chunk of plastic/rubber/metal with a funny screw sticking out of the top...To sell a Chunk of Plastic/Rubber/Metal with a Screw adapter for $139.95 is Criminal IMO....

What about that post angered you? Did you miss read? Can i help you with a word or two?

Gawd, using your logic a corvette is B*LLSH!T!!!! because chevy didn't make the tires or the air filter or the gaskets or the rims or the oil filter or the hoses or the wire or the leather on the seats, or the glass in the windows, or the windshield, or the suspension parts, etc. I'm going to quote William F. Buckley Jr:

“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.”

 

[wv2win]

I will make this simple:

If I vape a regular DSE901 and then vape a Screwdriver with a 901 atomizer, the throat hit and vapor is MUCH better, stronger and consistent from one inhale to the next with the Screwdriver.

If I vape a regular DSE801 and then vape a Prodigy with an 801 atomizer, the throat hit and vapor is MUCH better, stronger and consistent from one inhale to the next with the Prodigy.

And this is not just my subjective opinion. It is the opinion of the vast majority (at least hundreds, if not more) of those you have done this type of comparison. I personally don't care why that is but know it to be a FACT.

I think by starting this thread the OP did nothing but confuse people, especially newbies who could walk away from this and think the Blu or SmokeEverywhere PV delivers the same performance as the Screwdriver or the Prodigy. Why would you want to give that completely false impression????

 

[Cisco]

There are two variables that play a huge role in vaping power that were totally missed.

The first is the battery itself. Some batterys are designed to produce short bursts of sustained power and some are not. a 18650 is going to produce better sustained power then a 10440 at the same voltage. Not more power and not better power just more consistent power which in turn would create more vaper on longer hits.

Then there is voltage drop. If you have a freshly charged battery reading 4.2v when you calculate the voltage drop on a loaded circuit you could be losing .5volts or more. As Ohms law dictates the amperage is based on voltage/ohms your atty is not receiving the amperage you may think it is. Less voltage= less amperage = less vaper

So basicaly all 3.7 Lith-Ions are not created equally. Is a bigger battery better? probably yes, Is the biggest battery better? probably not

The mAh reading on a battery has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to create better vaper. The larger the mAh the longer the time between chargers, it doesn't mean any more then that.

If you remove the china manufactured parts from a any PV mod you are left with nothing but an empty shell....


Cisco...

 

[Ridewithme38]

Gawd, using your logic a corvette is B*LLSH!T!!!! because chevy didn't make the tires or the air filter or the gaskets or the rims or the oil filter or the hoses or the wire or the leather on the seats, or the glass in the windows, or the windshield, or the suspension parts, etc. I'm going to quote William F. Buckley Jr:

“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.”

Wow there seems to be some confusion...Let me explain What "from scratch" means to me....As simply as possible for you Zofry....

I am making a Cherry Pie for the Pie sale at my local shelter...
(Zofry i'm making a point there is no actual pie)

What i do is Go to the Super market Buy the Pre-made Cherry Filling(Carts), The Premade Crust(Atomizer) and ask the local Pie shop if they can heat it for me(Batteries)...After The Pie is Heated with the Pre-made Filling, and Pre-made Crust...i take one of my Pie Plates that i Turn "From Scratch" and bake in my Clay oven and Place the Pie in it(Battery Case)...

Now Zofry...Do i sell this Pie as Made "From Scratch" As the Prodigy says..or is really Just my Clay Pie Plate from Scratch??

 

[Ridewithme38]

And let me point of that while there maybe a difference in performance from different Batteries...The Batteries are NOT the Mod

 

[Ridewithme38]

There are two variables that play a huge role in vaping power that were totally missed.

The first is the battery itself. Some batterys are designed to produce short bursts of sustained power and some are not. a 18650 is going to produce better sustained power then a 10440 at the same voltage. Not more power and not better power just more consistent power which in turn would create more vaper on longer hits.

Then there is voltage drop. If you have a freshly charged battery reading 4.2v when you calculate the voltage drop on a loaded circuit you could be losing .5volts or more. As Ohms law dictates the amperage is based on voltage/ohms your atty is not receiving the amperage you may think it is. Less voltage= less amperage = less vaper

So basicaly all 3.7 Lith-Ions are not created equally. Is a bigger battery better? probably yes, Is the biggest battery better? probably not

The mAh reading on a battery has absolutely nothing to do with the ability to create better vaper. The larger the mAh the longer the time between chargers, it doesn't mean any more then that.

If you remove the china manufactured parts from a any PV mod you are left with nothing but an empty shell....


Cisco...

An Empty Shell that Costs in Excess of $100

 

[CaSHMeRe]

oi vey ridewithme ... in your eyes, nothing is made from scratch unless mined, or picked from the earth ... that's pretty much what you are saying and correct me if I'm wrong, I simply don't think I am ...

If YOU were Honda ... and you wanted to contract me to make dash for you, which included molded parts (but prepurchased plastic) would you consider that dash made from scratch, or not?

 

[Drewsworld]

Im having so much fun reading this I dont even want to correct everyone...Ohms law reads E over I,R...E being Voltage measured in VOLTAGE, I being amperage measured in AMPS, and R being resistance measured in OHMS... All of these are proportional to one another at ALL times during the batteries, atomisers and connections lives...Volts are inversly proportional to amps and ohms...In other words when the volts decrease the amps increase and visa versa... When an atomizer is corroted or failing everything changes...I will say that most of the theories throughout this thread are only partially true...Mah and Ma are also proportional to performance and will vary the performance TREMENDOUSLY...The Chinese are givin much less credit than deserve for their MOD, which in terms of performance and design are still way ahead of us...But to the oOP I respectably chalenge you to make my first 801 perform like it does on my mods...(No Flame or wiseassed comment) Cause if I could make my 801 atty work like it does at 3.7 1500 Mah Iwouldnt be doing all this work!!!!!

 

[CaSHMeRe]

An Empty Shell that Costs in Excess of $100

an empty shell with 14 different parts ... and it costs $95

11 parts made from RAW material
3 parts pre-purchased (switch/resistor/spring)

 

[SharonLM]

I'm just a consumer. It's my money and I like to feel I'm getting something "I" will be satisfied with. I've got the RN4081, 901, 510 Titan. I've got two Screwdrivers, 1 AdapteR, 2 Prodigys, and 1 Copper is coming. I also have the Iolite.

I have NO idea how any of this works. I only know what happens when I vape. The 4081, 901 and 510 are in a class of their own, good for starters, a lot of trouble for little satisfaction.

The Screwdriver and the Adapter were an improvement. I really liked them. The Screwdriver solved the "charging a battery every few hours". It had better vapor, stronger throat hit, why? I don't care why, it just does.

Then I got the Prodigy. Sorry, again I have NO idea how these work. I simply know that I get superb throat hit, tremendous vapor and long, long battery life.

As a consumer I don't have to know how they work. I just find out for myself which works the best and go from there. Heck, I can decorate the Prodigy to make it more feminine, does that count for value?

I spend my money the way I want to spend my money. I've watched so many video's I can't remember them all.

What matters to me is that it's a product that works well and does what I'm told it does and just as important is the customer service. I wonder, does customer service (answering emails, answering questions on the forum, taking orders, packing orders sending orders, receiving returns and fixing returns and returning returns) come free?

I know you are all talking about batteries, but the thread started with myth and fact, I thought so the consumer could understand what he/she is getting. I've gotten what I like and I don't know Steve, Mrs. Steve or Casey from Adam, I just like their product, their customer service and I guess that's the bottom line for me.

I have the Screwdriver but the customer relations is horrible and I'd never order another.

I'd like to get the GG, but I want American made. Imeo seems like a wonderful person who cares for his customers.

Doesn't that count for anything? Or is it all about batteries?

Sorry, JMO

 

[warp1900]

It is clear for all of us that have read the rants of people like Cashmere and Zofryer here, that there is an agenda for manufacturers and their friends. (yes i also know many bad ugly words)

As far as I am concerned, i choose to ignore any posts in this thread coming form both.
It is really sad that you have to resort to such stupid tactics to try and make some facts disappear, but they will not. I never argued about the prodigy being made from scratch or not, i really couldn't care less, the point is you have to do this when it comes to "defend" you money making machine. Sad...very sad.

If my thread made you believe i was attacking your "creation", you are wrong. Because of what you just did here, you might have to give a lot of explanations to many customers (not me included).

And as i said before, you chose the wrong person to mess with,
I don't have a hidden agenda and I don't sell anything here plus i don't take bull**** from no one, you are very stupid to think you could get away so easy with this.

Go argue with yourself on your clone of my thread out there.

Now learn the lesson and walk away with the tail between your legs.