MYTHS and FACTS about Batteries + mods

[Ridewithme38]

True ... and that is what you would expect .... No doubt amp hours is simply that ... amount of time you will get .... BUT, vape a PT at 500mAh, then vape that same PT at 2000mAh and there is a difference

By PT you mean Passthrough?

If so you are getting mAh(Milliampere hour) confused with mA(Milliamp)...the reason a PT or USB Adapter gives more power at 500mA vs 2000mA(Actually 2Amps) is because of Voltage...You see i when i think of power i like to look at everything as Wattage....This is a simple explanation not going into Resistance or Electron Flow, etc.

Voltage x Amperage = Wattage
Lets assume Both USB Adapters are 5V

5v x 500mA = 2.5 Watts of power
5v x 2000mA(2 Amps) = 10 Watts of power

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Anyways, most batteries, stock or not, freshly charged hold anywhere between 4.2 to 5.2 volts

So, you're telling me you have seen a battery -- stock battery that is -- pump out 4.2v - 5.2v ... ?

Unloaded? i really don't know, and i don't think it is relevant to this thread.

If you don't understand loaded vs. unloaded, you really shouldn't have even started this thread.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

By PT you mean Passthrough?

If so you are getting mAh(Milliampere hour) confused with mA(Milliamp)...the reason a PT or USB Adapter gives more power at 500mA vs 2000mA(Actually 2Amps) is because of Voltage...You see i when i think of power i like to look at everything as Wattage....This is a simple explanation not going into Resistance or Electron Flow, etc.

Voltage x Amperage = Wattage
Lets assume Both USB Adapters are 5V

5v x 500mA = 2.5 Watts of power
5v x 2000mA(2 Amps) = 10 Watts of power

awww... bingo LOL. I would have much rather had you write this thread ridewithme than warp ...

 

[CanyonRunner]

mAh means a battery can put out xxx mA for one hour.

More mAh = more power

 

[CaSHMeRe]

mAh means a battery can put out xxx mA for one hour.

More mAh = more power

not necessarily more power ... depends on the amperage itself ... not the hours.

mA and mAh are 2 very different things

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Lets break it down for everyone ...

6v devices all vape the same --
5v devices all vape the same --
3.7v devices all vape the same --

damn ... pretty darn simple ...

The only thing that comes in to play is length of time between charges ... their mAh rating ... resistance of the atomizer, resistance of the resistor (if used), etc....

 

[warp1900]

True ... and that is what you would expect .... No doubt amp hours is simply that ... amount of time you will get .... BUT, vape a PT at 500mAh, then vape that same PT at 2000mAh and there is a difference

Tell me Cash, how do you vape at 500mAh or at 2000 mAh?
how do you produce the difference?

I think you are mixing up concepts here.

Trust me ... I went over it all The moral of the story is a *mod* is simply a battery holding device ... Bravo my friend ...

No, sorry, there is no "moral" to start with, the object of this is to have more information together in one place alone so they don't have to jump (as much) from one side to the other of the forum.

 

[Ridewithme38]

awww... bingo LOL. I would have much rather had you write this thread ridewithme than warp ...

And yet all of this Doesn't Change that the Mod's that some are selling are nothing more then Battery cases like you can buy at your Local Radio shack for under $10...The Mods are Slightly Prettier though...

No one has yet to Mod their own battery, their own Atomizer, Even there own Cart, as far as i can tell...so to call these Anything more then Battery Cases or to charge more then $25-$50 for one is a Scam

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Tell me Cash, how do you vape at 500mAh or at 2000 mAh?
how do you produce the difference?

I think you are mixing up concepts here.

No, sorry, there is no "moral" to start with, the object of this is to have more information together in one place alone so they don't have to jump (as much) from one side to the other of the forum.

I was simply trying to understand if you understood the difference between mA and mAhours .... you seem to understand, so lets move on ...

That was the moral of the story ... but there was some added info for it.

Loaded vs. Unloaded (feel free to add to your original post)
Loaded - Circuit is complete (voltage will drop -- but how much, depends)
Unloaded - Circuit is incomplete, so you are essentially just reading what the battery is reading with no resistance.

Either way ... I think you could have made your post less confusing. I do agree with you, the hype is uncalled for as well as false claims ...

But -- Claims are partly true -- Extacy is found at higher voltages for many people and thus, they write about it. You can't find higher voltages within your common everyday ecigs.

 

[SharonLM]

I've thus far read this entire thread and it has been as clear as mud to me...so please pass me another Prodigy, I only have two

 

[CaSHMeRe]

And yet all of this Doesn't Change that the Mod's that some are selling are nothing more then Battery cases like you can buy at your Local Radio shack for under $10...The Mods are Slightly Prettier though...

No one has yet to Mod their own battery, their own Atomizer, Even there own Cart, as far as i can tell...so to call these Anything more then Battery Cases or to charge more then $25-$50 for one is a Scam

How is it a scam ride?

Modding something, I can understand ... but you are still paying for someones time to mod the damn things for you, not to mention buying a cheap part from China where it costs $.10 cents to make.

The Prodigy is built from scratch ... Not a piece used is derived from any existing flashlight/screwdriver/etc...

There is lots that go in to determining a price point bud ... if you want me to go over them for you, just holla!

 

[Zofryer]

I think you over explained it...These Battery mod's that some pay up to $200 are nothing more the Battery cases with switches...Really there are no major difference between any of them...So if you like to flush money...Buy the one you think is the "Prettiest" If not build one yourself for $20

Incorrect. There are *3* for sale mods that are worthwhile using my criteria:

1) Brings special features to the table. If it's just a battery box, I can make one of those pretty cheap.
2) Brings higher than 3.7 volts to the table
3) Constructed from scratch, not a cheap modified flashlight

And those mods are:

1) The Prodigy
*Juice catch under the atty connector is insanely awesome and convenient
*5V really is a "sweet spot"
*Button placement is ideal
*Construction is very modular and solid
*Batteries are protected
*All parts machined.

2) The Super-T
*Blast direction vents in case of battery issues
*Lockable MECHANICAL button, not electronic
*No soldering, wires, etc
*Completely machined
*Adjustable airflow
*Completely Mechanical

3) The GG
*Completely machined
*Completely mechanical
*Arguably the nicest looking heirloom quality mod made.
*Heavy innovation from the creator in the form of auto juice feed, and a custom atomizer.

Honorable Mention (because the prices aren't outrageous)

1) BillyBoy's double atomizer mods
*Because it's a friggin double atomizer mod

2) The "Copper" and "The Box" from Atmosusa
*Because they are both inexpensive, and the push to vape on the Copper is pretty badass.


Anything else I've seen *FOR SALE* brings absolutely nothing special to the table at all, or is outrageously priced for being 90 percent flashlight. That's just my opinion though. Let the holywar begin.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Honorable Mention (because the prices aren't outrageous)

1) BillyBoy's double atomizer mods
*Because it's a friggin double atomizer mod

+1 .... They are BAD AZZZZ !!!!! i still want one of his USB's ... He sellin them Zo ? I commented on them over on the dark side, don't remember what he said.

 

[warp1900]

Lets break it down for everyone ...

6v devices all vape the same --
5v devices all vape the same --
3.7v devices all vape the same --

damn ... pretty darn simple ...

The only thing that comes in to play is length of time between charges ... their mAh rating ... resistance of the atomizer, resistance of the resistor (if used), etc....

Your simplicity is not my simplicity, and you are missing a whole lot of stuff with your statement.

I was simply trying to understand if you understood the difference between mA and mAhours .... you seem to understand, so lets move on ...

That was the moral of the story ... but there was some added info for it.

Loaded vs. Unloaded (feel free to add to your original post)
Loaded - Circuit is complete (voltage will drop -- but how much, depends)
Unloaded - Circuit is incomplete, so you are essentially just reading what the battery is reading with no resistance.

Either way ... I think you could have made your post less confusing. I do agree with you, the hype is uncalled for as well as false claims ...

But -- Claims are partly true -- Extacy is found at higher voltages for many people and thus, they write about it. You can't find higher voltages within your common everyday ecigs.

I think you like to argue for the sake of doing it.
Again the object of this thread is to have more info in just one place.
You find it confusing?, maybe you are right, i am no journalist or writer, i gave it my best shot.
But i still believe it is much less confusing than most information you can find around the forum in little bits and pieces.
Now with your hyper posting syndrome here you are making the thread more confusing, not only to newbies, but even to myself LOL.

Bottom line, there was no need for all that my friend.

It was already stated on the original text. you didn't understand it?
Sorry again, maybe it's me, or hey!, maybe it's you.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Your simplicity is not my simplicity, and you are missing a whole lot of stuff with your statement.

I'm not missing a damn thing bud ... I went over voltages in roughly 3 sentences ... you wrote it in (3) 2,000 word posts ....

I think you like to argue for the sake of doing it.

Should I bring up the whole spiel going on, on the SD YouTube video? I actually don't like to argue, I do enjoy trying to test people though

Bottom line, there was no need for all that my friend.

No need for what? I broke down your 6,000 words, and made them like 80 ...

It was already stated on the original text. you didn't understand it?
Sorry again, maybe it's me, or hey!, maybe it's you.

oi vey ... i give up here ...

 

[Ridewithme38]

How is it a scam ride?

Modding something, I can understand ... but you are still paying for someones time to mod the damn things for you, not to mention buying a cheap part from China where it costs $.10 cents to make.

The Prodigy is built from scratch ... Not a piece used is derived from any existing flashlight/screwdriver/etc...

There is lots that go in to determining a price point bud ... if you want me to go over them for you, just holla!

What part of the Prodigy is built from Scratch? The Cartridge?, The Atomizer?, The Batteries?, The Switch?

Really if your going to say something is built from scratch you may need more then just a Case and/or adaptor included...

What purpose would that case and adapter have without an ACTUAL PV's Cartridges or atomizers? Or the Off the Shelf Batteries?

Without the Batteries or PV's That are ALL Produced by someone else...What do you have? It's just a piece of Plastic/Metal/Rubber with a funny screw on the top

 

[Zofryer]

What part of the Prodigy is built from Scratch? The Cartridge?, The Atomizer?, The Batteries?, The Switch?

Really if your going to say something is built from scratch you may need more then just a Case and/or adaptor included...

What purpose would that case and adapter have without an ACTUAL PV's Cartridges or atomizers? Or the Off the Shelf Batteries?

Without the Batteries or PV's That are ALL Produced by someone else...What do you have? It's just a piece of Plastic/Metal/Rubber with a funny screw on the top

Either you don't actually read the other posts before blabbering, or you are a really untalented troll. Is there an ignore option on this forum? Much like some of the 140 dollar flashlight mods, this poster brings nothing new or original to the table.

 

[bzlytbeer]

Then what you are essentially saying is 801 batts and RCR123's (3.7v) will NOT vape the same

3.7v at 180mAh will vape different than 3.7v at 750mAh and higher ....

Sorry bud, but this is simply not true. They would both vape exactly the same, the latter battery just lasting about 4-5 times longer than the first.

The atty is what determines the amperage draw, not the supply. If you take a look at your breaker box in your basement, you will notice most circuits are at 15 amps. If you plug in a toaster, it will not get a zap of 120 volts at 15 amps (this would fry it), instead, it will get 120 volts at the amperage it draws.

Most people get confused with this and figure the batteries are putting out much more power than they really are.

 

[Ridewithme38]

Either you don't actually read the other posts before blabbering, or you are a really untalented troll. Is there an ignore option on this forum? Much like some of the 140 dollar flashlight mods, this poster brings nothing new or original to the table.

We'll i've got to admit that post added absolutly nothing to this conversation...Zofry please if you don't have anything to add don't post...I understand that some people get frustrated when they get confused...But terms like Troll and Personal attacks while they may make you feel better about yourself...do not make others look upon you in a good light...

You can come back to the Adult table when you feel you can control these immature outbusts

 

[motorcity57]

thats all i know about electricity, oh and don't stick things in the wall socket, for fun.

are we done yet?