Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Mr.Mann]

Andria, I was just joking with how I was talking. It won't get more dry, but I was just pointing out that whatever other aspects of the liquid may come, it'll likely be more of the same dryness, not "additional."

Anyway, let me just tell you that I love the way you write.

Some liquids you may want to try (or at least look into):

Tampa from The Vapor Station. (Sort of synthetic, sort of not)

Dark Horse from Heather's Heavenly Vapes. (NET)

Virgina from Backwoods Brew. (Nobody knows. LOL)

Honey Cured from PinkSpotVapors. (Synthetic)

Smoke from want2vape. (NET + sweetener)

RYO from Mom and Pop Vapor Shop. (Natural tobacco via tobacco absolute/extract, i.e., ash tray sauce. . And if you really would be down with mixing, get the concentrate like bill suggested.)


All of those liquids, irrespective of which are NET or not, should have elements that you are looking for. I don't expect that you will like them all, but I think most are good at approximating some of the main elements that you seem to be seeking. Also, don't let too much of the site descriptions, the names, or the reviews sway you one way or another. If you are leaning toward one, especially if it's an NET, we can speak in depth about it here. If it's a synthetic, like in the case of Honey Cured from Pink Spot Vapors, I can talk about it, but I am not sure if anyone else here could, would, or cares to. LOL

*Edit* What nic % are you vaping?

 

[AndriaD]

Andria, I was just joking with how I was talking. It won't get more dry, but I was just pointing out that whatever other aspects of the liquid may come, it'll likely be more of the same dryness, not "additional."

Anyway, let me just tell you that I love the way you write.

Some liquids you may want to try (or at least look into):

Tampa from The Vapor Station. (Sort of synthetic, sort of not)
Dark Horse from Heather's Heavenly Vapes. (NET)
Virgina from Backwoods Brew. (Nobody knows. LOL)
Honey Cured from PinkSpotVapors. (Synthetic)
Smoke from want2vape. (NET + sweetener)
RYO from Mom and Pop Vapor Shop. (Natural tobacco via tobacco absolute/extract, i.e., ash tray sauce. . And if you really would be down with mixing, get the concentrate.)


All of those liquids, irrespective of which are NET or not, should have elements that you are looking for. I don't expect that you will like them all, but I think most are good at approximating some of the main elements that you seem to be seeking. Also, don't let too much of the site descriptions, the names, or the reviews sway you one way or another. If you are leaning toward one, especially if it's an NET, we can speak in depth about it here. If it's a synthetic, like in the case of Honey Cured from Pink Spot Vapors, I can talk about it, but I am not sure if anyone else here could, would, or cares to. LOL

*Edit* What nic % are you vaping?

The ones I've ordered are 12mg; the Oak Barrel Cider is 18mg, and much too strong for me; after just a half-hour or so of occasional hits, on two successive days, I got light-headed, really ouchy stomach pains, like sharp gas pains, fast heartbeat, and woke the next morning with a booger of a headache. I think the SteamCigs guys must be used to dealing with much heavier smokers, but with my ultra-lights (6mg), pk-a-day-or-less habit, I think even the 12mg might give some light symptoms; I'll have to see, if the stuff ever gets here. Hopefully tomorrow!

I checked out some of those already, though I confess I didn't look at "Honey Cured" at all; I don't want ANY! sweetness, and honey is REALLY sweet.

Some of them, there is at least one review that says something about sweetness, and that's a no-go -- there is not one thing sweet about my cigarettes -- I always found Marlboro grossly sweet! Even the smell of Marlboro smoke is just yucky to me, it's so sweet.

One thing I like about the Heather's Heavenly Vapes is that you can specify the PG/VG you want. The Tampa says it is 100% VG and I don't think I would like that at all; it's apparently sweeter than PG, makes lots of vapor (which might choke me, with my mild asthma), and apparently it softens the throat hit, which I DON'T want. What I want is something that will actually tingle my throat, if not my tongue and whole mouth (I realize it's vapor and not smoke!) But I don't want menthol at all.

I believe I am probably already accustomed to PG, as I use an asthma inhaler all day long; I've already experienced the throat dryness, the dry mouth, and even scratchy throat if I use the inhaler too much, so when I read those type of reports of PG, I recognized it immediately. The VG sounds pretty awful to me, to be honest. The amount of vapor is kinda insignificant to me; in fact less vapor would make "stealth vaping" a lot easier (so if I'm sitting in my truck in a hospital parking lot, some busybody won't be sticking their nose in to tell me I can't do that). When the albuterol inhalers went to the non-CFC formula, they almost all became sickeningly sweet, tasting of grain alcohol -- all except name-brand Ventolin, which has a very light, dry, bitter/medicinal taste, very like the albuterol inhalers tasted before the non-CFC formula. I think the PG/VG is the difference.

I checked out the RYO a few days ago, and it's a possible; although apparently RYO stands for "roll your own," and I never found that kind of tobacco (Prince Albert?) very enjoyable. It tastes like pipe tobacco to me.

I was digging into google earlier, and found some comments "tastes like VA Slims," associated with a site called "myfreedomsmokes.com", and it's actually called "Virginia Tobacco"; I might give it a shot, as quite a few of the reviews do mention that it tastes quite like Va Slims.

That "Dirty Ashtray" flavor I mentioned, it had one comment that really piqued my interest: the guy said it tastes like re-roll, or a cigarette that's been put out and re-lit -- that is EXACTLY how I smoke; I buy the 120s to save money, because I can have a 3rd or half of it, put it out, and come back to it later -- so each cigarette is like 2 cigarettes to me! *That* is the primary reason that I think that flavor might suit -- it might actually taste the way that I'm accustomed to the back half of my cigarettes tasting -- which, to me, is not really that different from the front half, just slightly stronger.

Thx!
Andria

 

[Jerms]

River Bottom Fog Sauce St. James Parish initial impressions: wow... just wow. This is strong, heavier tobacco impact than I expected. I want to say it has much more tobacco presence than Natural Perique from GeJ, but that was so long ago and I was vaping on a different device, so I don't feel like a reliable source in comparing them.

This has a very real, straight-up, pure tobacco flavor. One of those NETs that nails tobacco flavor so well it feels like smoking. It doesn't have the wet-dog feel that so many macerations have. The flavor is outstanding, it has the odd and unique notes that makes Perique tobacco stand out. Fermentation does some crazy things to that tobacco, and it's a joy to try to pick out the flavors.

I hope it's not too much of a gunker, like many NETs with a strong tobacco flavor can be. So far so good, I'll keep vaping it to see how long it goes. Even if it gunks like an Ahl aro, it's one of those that the flavor is worth it to me. Worth $22 for 30ml? For me it definately is. It raises the bar of what I'm hoping for with the other RBFS, there's a good chance this one will be my favorite.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Andria, when I said to not let the names, descriptions or reviews sway you, I said that for a reason. For instance, many liquids can be called "tobacco," but that obviously don't make it so, or else your search would be easy breezy. But, if a name throws you off, by all means, look elsewhere. Yeah, scratch my suggestions.

I understand the issues you've had with nic and I've at times struggled with it myself, but I've learned that if I vape as I smoked, meaning not incessantly and when needed, I can actually use high mg to tame the beast, but without letting the beast best me. Hit it and quit it.

In summation, it seems as if you have your methods down pat for how you want to find what you're looking for, but I must say that "we"--us in this thread--can't suggest anything more for a VA Slims replica. Take our comments or the sites' comments, but I can only vouch for the multitudes of liquids us posters have tried, no one else. Please understand that for those that post here, we've collectively tried more tobacco liquids, NET or synthetic, then any other place you can look. Honestly, Google ain't got nothing on us. LOL

I sincerely wish you good luck in finding your VA Slims replica, or VA Slims close-enough liquid.

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So did anyone here check out the new HHV tobaccos? And Jerms, what's up with RB? I miss this thread.

 

[Jerms]

So did anyone here check out the new HHV tobaccos? And Jerms, what's up with RB? I miss this thread.

Look up lol.

As for HHV, yeah, anyone receive them yet? Looking forward to initial impressions, mainly on Gaia. That one and Ahlusion's Just Criminal are going to make me want to order soon, even though I haven't even tried my Black Friday orders yet lmao. Some juices are just too tempting.

 

[AndriaD]

Andria, when I said to not let the names, descriptions or reviews sway you, I said that for a reason. For instance, many liquids can be called "tobacco," but that obviously don't make it so, or else your search would be easy breezy. But, if a name throws you off, by all means, look elsewhere. Yeah, scratch my suggestions.

I understand the issues you've had with nic and I've at times struggled with it myself, but I've learned that if I vape as I smoked, meaning not incessantly and when needed, I can actually use high mg to tame the beast, but without letting the beast best me. Hit it and quit it.

In summation, it seems as if you have your methods down pat for how you want to find what you're looking for, but I must say that "we"--us in this thread--can't suggest anything more for a VA Slims replica. Take our comments or the sites comments, but I can only vouch for the multitudes of liquids us posters have tried, no one else. Please understand that for those that post here, we've collectively tried more tobacco liquids, NET or synthetic, then any other place you can look. Honestly, Google ain't got nothing on us. LOL

I sincerely wish you good luck in finding your VA Slims replica, or VA Slims close-enough liquid.

I'm not scratching anything at this point; I take every single suggestion under close advisement -- I have a whole list here, of links and sites to check, besides the ones I already have. I think the Backwoods Brew "Virginia" sounds the most promising, actually. And although I'm not sure the Heather's Heavenly Vapor "Dark Horse" is right for me, I was looking at some of the other tobacco flavors there, and a couple sound very promising; maybe "Huntsman". But, there is only so much I can order per payday, so I try to find the ones that seem *most* promising, in my continuing search -- maybe 2 or possibly 3, twice a month, is the most I can afford right now, and I try to find the smallest quantity, since I'm just trying them out. If I can find something that's just "adequate" to help me at least cut my smoking to 50% of its current level, then I will be able to try more flavors.

I get what you're saying about using the higher nic, but I can't deal with those stomach pains, they hurt like the devil, even with such light use of the 18mg. I don't smoke constantly, since I go outdoors to smoke -- roughly 1 cigarette per hour/90 mins, though I may split it up. And once I find a taste I like well enough, I'll be doing that inside, so it might be more frequent than my current smoking -- so no, I think 12mg is the highest I can deal with. At my present level of smoking, my nicotine dependence is not all that great; I'm looking more for the hand/mouth replacement -- which is probably why I failed to quit twice, using the patch -- replacing the nicotine is the least of my concerns.

I went to google because I haven't found any VA slims smokers here, so no one has a real idea what I'm looking for. That's not to say there AREN'T any VA Slims smokers here, I just haven't found them.

Andria

 

[y cherry y]

I'm not scratching anything at this point; I take every single suggestion under close advisement -- I have a whole list here, of links and sites to check, besides the ones I already have. I think the Backwoods Brew "Virginia" sounds the most promising, actually. And although I'm not sure the Heather's Heavenly Vapor "Dark Horse" is right for me, I was looking at some of the other tobacco flavors there, and a couple sound very promising; maybe "Huntsman". But, there is only so much I can order per payday, so I try to find the ones that seem *most* promising, in my continuing search -- maybe 2 or possibly 3, twice a month, is the most I can afford right now, and I try to find the smallest quantity, since I'm just trying them out. If I can find something that's just "adequate" to help me at least cut my smoking to 50% of its current level, then I will be able to try more flavors.

I get what you're saying about using the higher nic, but I can't deal with those stomach pains, they hurt like the devil, even with such light use of the 18mg. I don't smoke constantly, since I go outdoors to smoke -- roughly 1 cigarette per hour/90 mins, though I may split it up. And once I find a taste I like well enough, I'll be doing that inside, so it might be more frequent than my current smoking -- so no, I think 12mg is the highest I can deal with. At my present level of smoking, my nicotine dependence is not all that great; I'm looking more for the hand/mouth replacement -- which is probably why I failed to quit twice, using the patch -- replacing the nicotine is the least of my concerns.

I went to google because I haven't found any VA slims smokers here, so no one has a real idea what I'm looking for. That's not to say there AREN'T any VA Slims smokers here, I just haven't found them.

Andria

You probably won't like this, but I think you're never going to find what you're looking for, because no e-liquid tastes like cigarette smoke. And the difference will be even more pronounced while you're still smoking. Even the TA liquids don't taste like smoke; they taste like other e-liquids with some dirty, ashy flavor mixed in.

That said, I suggest trying Sahara Blend from Ahlusion, which does have a Virginia tobacco base and a very dry, powdery Turkish topnote that somewhat simulates smoking with its hot throat (and nose!) hit. Dark Horse from HHV is also sort of cigarette-like.

As you say, the ritual of smoking may be even more important -- it certainly is for me -- and if that's the case, maybe you should try some flavors that have nothing to do with tobacco. Many, many vapers had success when they gave up on finding a replacement for cigarette flavor and went in a different direction.

 

[Jerms]

Over a couple hours later St. James Parish is still rocking along without any off gunk flavors, so looking good there.

I've been vaping mainly fruit flavors the last few days trying to make room in my vape box for new juices. Man, if any NETers want to really appreciate a solid NET, vape fruit for a few days. Tobacco explosion going on here.

I'm curious how NETcom's Perique compares to this. I've only read good things about Clay's single varietal Perique. It's nice to see this leaf get represented more.

 

[y cherry y]

Over a couple hours later St. James Parish is still rocking along without any off gunk flavors, so looking good there.

I've been vaping mainly fruit flavors the last few days trying to make room in my vape box for new juices. Man, if any NETers want to really appreciate a solid NET, vape fruit for a few days. Tobacco explosion going on here.

I'm curious how NETcom's Perique compares to this. I've only read good things about Clay's single varietal Perique. It's nice to see this leaf get represented more.

I don't really like Perique. But the RBFS seemed to me just as authentic as GeJ's. The River Bottom guy REALLY loves Perique. He told me he would buy Perique and roll cigarettes from it.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Over a couple hours later St. James Parish is still rocking along without any off gunk flavors, so looking good there.

I've been vaping mainly fruit flavors the last few days trying to make room in my vape box for new juices. Man, if any NETers want to really appreciate a solid NET, vape fruit for a few days. Tobacco explosion going on here.

I'm curious how NETcom's Perique compares to this. I've only read good things about Clay's single varietal Perique. It's nice to see this leaf get represented more.

I can guarantee you that Nick is like, "dude, I am the only one that got the real Perique!" LOL. I can't wait to try RBFS (River Bottom Fog Sauce) Jerms. I read your previous take, but can you give me a rundown of just some more basic notes. I like the absence of wet dog BTW! It was okay at first, but it just got too clammy for me.

No gunk? 'Tis promising.

 

[johni]

Clay's Perique is spot on, very realistic. So is my home brewed version. Definitely a favorite straight up or in a blend.

 

[BecknCO]

Hey Andria -

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but keep in mind your tastes very likely will change with time (and ultimately what you're searching for in an e-liquid) - especially if you are new to vaping. I'm new, and my tastes and preferences have changed tremendously in the little over two months that I have started vaping exclusively.

During my first month, I tried desperately to find what would taste like a camel turkish silver, so I bought all manner of so called "turkish tobaccos, " both NET and synthetic. Nothing was even remotely close to what I was looking for, and I COULD NOT STAND the sweetness that I found in each and every liquid I tried no matter what it was purported to be. Like you, that search brought me here to this thread.

Once here, I learned a lot about tobacco - from a connoisseur's perspective, and ultimately discovered many NET juices I now love. One of those happens to be Sahara Blend from Ahlusion which is a NET juice made from turkish and virginia brightleaf if memory serves me correctly. Let me tell you, while wonderful, it tastes absolutely nothing like the BS camel turkish silver that I used to crave and smoke two friggen packs a day of.

If my rambling has any point, it's this - your frustration with finding that "perfect" juice will subside through one way or another, and you may even find yourself really enjoying juices later which you now hate and are too sweet. I'm not saying that you don't know what you want right now, but consider the possibility that you'll find something you love in a juice you would have never thought you'd buy a second bottle of.

Ultimately, the most important thing is that you've stopped smoking or are smoking far less - that is what this is all about (for me anyway).

Oh, and welcome to the NET thread

 

[c803knight]

I'm happy to hear that the RBFS perique is getting good reception. I really enjoy GeJ's Perique, but I mainly use it to funk up some of my more plain liquids, the bottle I bought second hand is a few months old and the muskiness is usually to strong when I vape it by itself. Also I may be completely off-base, but does anyone know if GeJ's Patriot has any perique in its blend? When I vape Patriot after a more mild flavor like Wrangler Light or Analog, I can taste a hint of funk reminiscent of perique.

 

[billherbst]

Clay's Perique is spot on, very realistic. So is my home brewed version. Definitely a favorite straight up or in a blend.

Let me chime in and second the motion that John's home-brewed St. James Parrish Perique is terrific! John and I exchanged some extracts recently, and I have a 10ml bottle of his Perique. Wow.

I haven't had Clay's Perique and probably won't. Not because it's not good---I'm sure it's great (I trust Jerms' opinion)---but John is now my supplier of choice, since I can barter extracts with him.

I knocked out another batch of four heat-assisted extractions last week: three English pipe blends and one aromatic. One of the English blends---Newminster English Oriental---is to die for. The Latakia isn't overpowering, and the Oriental tobacco adds a lovely spice note that lifts the flavor profile . It's even better than my previous English fave, Peter Stokkebye Proper English.

This makes a grand total of 17 extractions I've done since last spring: 10 pipe tobacco blends, 4 cigarette tobaccos, and 3 coffees. I intend to buy a cigar at some point and try my hand at that, but in the meantime I've got 7 more tobaccos coming from Pipes&Cigars. Heck, I may never buy another retail NET.

 

[Jerms]

I can guarantee you that Nick is like, "dude, I am the only one that got the real Perique!" LOL. I can't wait to try RBFS (River Bottom Fog Sauce) Jerms. I read your previous take, but can you give me a rundown of just some more basic notes. I like the absence of wet dog BTW! It was okay at first, but it just got too clammy for me.

No gunk? 'Tis promising.

Basic notes.. hmmm I'll try............ hmmmmm. Lol. Hard for me to compare the flavors to other known flavors. I've heard people say fruity or citrus with Perique, which I'm not getting yet. Very little sweetness. Strong, full flavor tobacco. Not smoky; sort of woodsy and grassy. It's a full chord, played on a 7 string guitar with the extra bass note, lots of medium going on, not much in the bright upper range. I'm sure notes will continue to pop up, it's pretty complex.

Yeah, not wet dog for me. I don't mind that note, I've actually quite liked it, but it's just so common in macerations it's nice to get away from it. The ones you sent didn't have it either which may be why they reminded me of a steam distilled feel.

 

[Jerms]

I'm happy to hear that the RBFS perique is getting good reception. I really enjoy GeJ's Perique, but I mainly use it to funk up some of my more plain liquids, the bottle I bought second hand is a few months old and the muskiness is usually to strong when I vape it by itself. Also I may be completely off-base, but does anyone know if GeJ's Patriot has any perique in its blend? When I vape Patriot after a more mild flavor like Wrangler Light or Analog, I can taste a hint of funk reminiscent of perique.

Yep, there's some Perique in Patriot.

 

[BecknCO]

Hey Mann - really enjoying huntsman in the Igo W, although I need to switch this sucker to a single coil set up. I was happily vaping away on it when my chica pops her head out of the bathroom and asks me "what's that tree bark and maple syrup you're smoking?" LOL I told her that's exactly what it was

Trying Dragon's Fire in the 306 now, and I just can't pin down anything specific in it. I do, however, like it so far. I wouldn't make it one damn day as a sommelier. Everything would just be the "red" or the "white" kind. I suck, but I'll keep trying to figure out some components of it!

 

[johni]

I'm a little behind Bill, nine tobacco extractions done, three more cold macerations currently brewing. One that's in process is Centenary, an English blend from Milan. While Latakia rich, it has a spiciness I haven't experienced before. If it turns out, I'm pretty sure you will like it Bill.

 

[y cherry y]

Hey Mann - really enjoying huntsman in the Igo W, although I need to switch this sucker to a single coil set up. I was happily vaping away on it when my chica pops her head out of the bathroom and asks me "what's that tree bark and maple syrup you're smoking?" LOL I told her that's exactly what it was

Trying Dragon's Fire in the 306 now, and I just can't pin down anything specific in it. I do, however, like it so far. I wouldn't make it one damn day as a sommelier. Everything would just be the "red" or the "white" kind. I suck, but I'll keep trying to figure out some components of it!

Dragon's Fire is the same tree bark, different syrup.

 

[billherbst]

Basic notes.. hmmm I'll try............ hmmmmm. Lol. Hard for me to compare the flavors to other known flavors. I've heard people say fruity or citrus with Perique, which I'm not getting yet. Very little sweetness. Strong, full flavor tobacco. Not smoky; sort of woodsy and grassy. It's a full chord, played on a 7 string guitar with the extra bass note, lots of medium going on, not much in the bright upper range. I'm sure notes will continue to pop up, it's pretty complex.

Yeah, not wet dog for me. I don't mind that note, I've actually quite liked it, but it's just so common in macerations it's nice to get away from it. The ones you sent didn't have it either which may be why they reminded me of a steam distilled feel.

Jerms,

Your description sounds remarkably similar to Johni's Perique. I was a little surprised when I mixed up a small bottle of DIY NET Perique from his extract. There was very little of the cooked-fruit, musky, mushroomy aroma or flavor I'd expected. Instead, it's a full, woodsy tobacco with considerable complexity, as you state concerning Clay's version. As far as I know, John used Blending Perique from Pipes&Cigars, which is touted as the real thing shipped in wooden casks from St. James Parrish (with none of that Green River Burley substitute mixed in). I wonder if Clay and Nick bought their Perique from the same source.