Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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OH, before I forget! So, two days ago, right? I get this email from P&C about Russ getting ahold of some very rare Perique varietals that are essentially 'until it's gone' stock-wise. Apparently the 'experiment', as they're calling it, is "RO Series Perique".

From P&C:
"One year, a number of years back, Mark tried making one barrel of Perique using leaf from each one of the four growing regions in what is known as the “Golden Triangle”. Each one of these four varietal Periques exhibit singular properties and flavors. He offered Russ the opportunity to create blends using these very limited tobaccos, and our master blender jumped at the chance. Each one of these four blends are very different, with Russ working with a variety of different leaf to maximize the characteristics of the Periques."


I saw that also. Don't get me wrong I really like Perique and Virginia, but of late I have been enjoying straight Perique from a couple vendors even more. OK, OK I'm a Perique Head!

 

[67Tele]

After I do order, I have to stay away from P&C for a few days, or I quite literally will go broke.

As I'm reading your post I get another notice from P&C about their Summer Sale so, I dutifully click and add a couple more to the basket. This notice coming after I've made a couple of decent sized purchases in the last couple of months of tobaccos to "cellar" in case things get tight.
A couple of the ones on sale I've tried and can recommend:
Hearth & Home Marquee Viprati - Pipes and Cigars
I filtered this after a 12 week PG steep. Tasting it when first mixed it was very light. I let it sit for another 8-10 weeks and it's deepened and matured. The Virginia is more prevalent with a smooth and deep underneath happening.

I've been enjoying all of the Frog Mortons with this one being the most complex and rich: McClelland Frog Morton on the Bayou - Pipes and Cigars

 

[checkum]

As I'm reading your post I get another notice from P&C about their Summer Sale so, I dutifully click and add a couple more to the basket. This notice coming after I've made a couple of decent sized purchases in the last couple of months of tobaccos to "cellar" in case things get tight.
A couple of the ones on sale I've tried and can recommend:
Hearth & Home Marquee Viprati - Pipes and Cigars
I filtered this after a 12 week PG steep. Tasting it when first mixed it was very light. I let it sit for another 8-10 weeks and it's deepened and matured. The Virginia is more prevalent with a smooth and deep underneath happening.

I've been enjoying all of the Frog Mortons with this one being the most complex and rich: McClelland Frog Morton on the Bayou - Pipes and Cigars

Always wondered which FM was best. Thanks for the tip 67tele

 

[67Tele]

Always wondered which FM was best. Thanks for the tip 67tele

It could be a toss up between Bayou and Cellar for deep darkness. On the Town takes quite a while to develop and is on the lighter side.

 

[nostradadus]

Cornell & Diehl Pipe Tobacco

15% off Cornell & Diehl bulk; might be picking up a few to cellar for another day.

 

[Smocian257]

Interesting site but very expensive. Maybe I'll try it anyway. Thanks for the heads up.

I havent tried that one but id pay the money to give it a shot

Real-Tobacco-Extract review • /r/diytobaccoejuice

The owner isnt just extracting commercial pipe or the whole leaf publicly available, guy actually sorces his own leaf

 

[Yonjuro]

Just received my NET.com order today - woohoo

Couldn't resist cracking the bottle of Black Cherry - man o man is this good! Only bought 30ml and should have bought much more.

Also trying the Caramel Brownie - another winner and not sickly sweet but sweet enough as a dessert vape.

Between Net.com and HHV I really can't see myself needing to try any other vendors anymore. They both have more than enough variety from pure tobaccos to dessert tobaccos to keep me very happy in NET wonderland

The few times I have dipped into some of the more "commercial" (but highly rated) juices I have in my stock lately, have left me unsatisfied and a feeling like I am vaping some chemical cocktail.

 

[67Tele]

Last night I put some Save on Peter Stokkebye 701 Virginia - Pipes and Cigars in the squonker. It was just a little light so I put a few drops of the Symrna extract boomerdude graciously sent and it perked right up. Added just a hint of smokey darkness.

 

[Rickb119]

The few times I have dipped into some of the more "commercial" (but highly rated) juices I have in my stock lately, have left me unsatisfied and a feeling like I am vaping some chemical cocktail.

After making and vaping several different NET's over the past few months, I concur.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Last night I put some Save on Peter Stokkebye 701 Virginia - Pipes and Cigars in the squonker. It was just a little light so I put a few drops of the Symrna extract boomerdude graciously sent and it perked right up. Added just a hint of smokey darkness.

Yeah, I found the 701 Virginia to be quite light as well. I was honestly wondering if it was just the filters I used to extract it, but since gunk is definitely happening at 3 microns, I know that the flavor has to be getting through as well.

If you got one of the samplers with Pt. St. tobacco, I'd give the Norway or Denmark a shot. I forget what comprises the bulk of the blend itself, but vaped quite a few bottles of Norway shortly after extracting it.

I might just have to mix up a few more of both at a lower flavor percentage just for those times I feel like vaping NET, but not changing wicks. 5-10% might not be much, but it's enough to know it's there.

The Match B.S. 759 is becoming very mellow quite quickly. Fresh extract has more Latakia punch, but this is quickly beginning to round out and taste more delicious all around as the other tobaccos come into play. Looks like it might shape up to be a great steeper in the footsteps of the Sutliff Private Stock Balkan Luxury Blend.

Bottling it up for now. Once I decide on a good % I'll probably mix up a 220ml bottle.

 

[nostradadus]

Virginia to be quite light as well. I was honestly wondering if it was just the filters I used to extract it, but since gunk is definitely happening at 3 microns,

Damned natural dextrose! I love me some Va tobacco as well, but, oh the coil gunk. No matter.... I've got a 500' box full of rayon and I'm doing my best to use it up every time I reach for one of my Va NETs.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Damned natural dextrose! I love me some Va tobacco as well, but, oh the coil gunk. No matter.... I've got a 500' box full of rayon and I'm doing my best to use it up every time I reach for one of my Va NETs.

D'oh. Dextrose. Great for adding into wine for the yeasties to feed on as it's readily available to them, not so great when it approaches high temperature metal coils.

You bringing that up inspired me to find this document from Leffingwell about leaf chemistry:
Linky

Fascinating stuff, plus now I have something to read while I finish my morning coffee.


I have no wicking problems with my Cotton Labo, but how's the rayon working out?

Also, if you folks start noticing a bunch of posts from 10 months or more ago getting liked, it's probably me.

Trust me when I say I'm really attempting to hold back on replying to them, partially because I don't know if what I'm going to say has already been said or not yet....and I would be multi-quoting from page 650 (I think) onwards, so...probably too long of a post.


Anyways, around page 650'ish there's some discussion about sped up steep times. I remember seeing a rock tumbler mentioned somewhere, but part of me wonders if dropping a fishtank airstone inside of a jar or big bottle filled with juice to half with a vent (maybe a one-way valve?) would do something of note.

I'm not certain that air bubbles would do the trick. However, as an added bonus, you can just stick the whole assembly in a cauldron (no, not directly in there outside of said jar/bucket/whatever you're using to brew a giant amount of juice; someone foolish will no doubt attempt to stick their hand in it because it looks interesting) and scare visitors with your "bubbling brew".

Catch is, you'd better really like whatever you'd be steeping, because you'd need a lot of it to even attempt this. I don't have an airstone handy, but maybe an ultrasonic mister would work (supposing it can even work submerged in e-liquid) if you could contain the juice in a similar manner, with it collecting on the sides and falling back down to pool at the bottom.

Thoughts?

 

[67Tele]

It was @AnthonyB that suggested a rice cooker. It doesn't speed steep to where it's immediately ready but, it does help it along. What I do is while I'm making my mix I turn on the rice cooker with the lid closed. Once I'm done mixing I use this to swirl stuff around and get some air bubbles. I switch the cooker over to "Warm" and put a thermometer in to check. It's usually hovering around 100 deg. I put the mix in a closed ziplock bag and submerge it for several hours. I'l then let it sit in the cabinet for at least a week.

 

[nostradadus]

I have no wicking problems with my Cotton Labo, but how's the rayon working out?

I absolutely love everything about rayon! Easy to work with, forgiving with dry hits, wicks like a champ, inexpensive as hell, I taste nothing but my juice..... Much appreciation to @JeremyR and his rayon thread!

My issue mainly with Virginia tobacco (and most all NETs) is coil gunk. Love the NETs, but after a few ml, a coil burn off process is necessary. The wick, even though it's fine and dandy, must be stripped from the coil during this process.

I used cotton for a great long while, but once I tried rayon, there was no going back.

 

[Yonjuro]

Living the dream

 

[nostradadus]

MVJ's MVJ w/Peter Stokkebye English Oriental Supreme Pipe Tobacco, MVJ with Peter Stokkebye, MyVapeJuice, LLC
English blend that's not as rich as Dunhill Nightcap

Just wrapped up my own PG maceration using the PS English Oriental Supr.

I am very happy with how enjoyable it is. I like Latakia in a NET for keeping things real, and that note in this mix is just at the right level without stepping on the other tobacco layering. At the moment it's mixed at 10% 40p/60v stand alone and tasty. The Black Cavendish and Virginia sweeten this vape quite nicely.

I haven't tried the DH Nightcap yet, but it's on my list!

 

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Just wrapped up my own PG maceration using the PS English Oriental Supr.

I am very happy with how enjoyable it is. I like Latakia in a NET for keeping things real, and that note in this mix is just at the right level without stepping on the other tobacco layering. At the moment it's mixed at 10% 40p/60v stand alone and tasty. The Black Cavendish and Virginia sweeten this vape quite nicely.

I haven't tried the DH Nightcap yet, but it's on my list!

I would guess that you will enjoy NightCap

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Vaping the Lane Bulk BCA at 25%/4mg 60pg/40vg, tore down my shabby single super-gunker coil last night and stuck dual micros on the Avocado 24 for a build at 0.31Ω, 35-45w. Taste is really popping now, and I seem to be rewicking less.

Did fine with the Big & Burley, but now to see how quickly the Cavendish gunks it all up. I got 3 or 4 tankfuls out of it before my last rewick..I'll not be surprised if the Cav wrecks it in two or less, but we'll see.

Extracting tobacco may not be rocket science, but if the FDA is forced to back away from their goofy regulations (those of you who are wondering why we are not able to get free samples; boils down to the same thing in the deeming regulations preventing cigar companies from sending out free cigars to our troops) I would not be surprised if Gunkologist becomes a job title in the near future.



Got quite a few multi-quotes in my message now (up to p.689 from where I kinda lost track and only posted a couple of times). I'll try to be a bit more concise than usual... because this isn't the "Natural Tobacco e-Liquid Guidebook"...

...yet. It's pretty darned close, though. I would shudder at all of the paper needed to print the whole thread out.

 

[clnire]

Lane BCA is one of the first tobaccos I ever extracted. I still have extract. Gotta make some juice cuz I seem to recall it was very good. Just been awhile because I got into other flavors. But I still have a soft spot for my tobaccos.

Thanks for the inspiration!

 

[Exchaner]

Does anyone know a tobacco that doesn't have that funky-grassy-hayish taste? I have tried many Virginias and they all seem to have it. Burley also has it but to a lesser extent. Of all the NETS I have tried, Patriot from Goodejuice comes without that funkiness. I wonder what goes inside, but the description says Burley, Virginia Cavendish and Perique.