Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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Just put up some Bengal Slices for the steep and the HH Anniversary Kake is next on my list. I do love me some Virginia and Perique.
So, has anyone made a NET process out of mixing a filtered PG extraction with a filtered PGA extraction, winterizing that mixture again and filtering the combination?
A NET DIY bud of mine says this process produces a much stronger final concentrate, so as to not need as high a percentage when making a juice.
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"Exactly why I combine them. I find that with my cigar extracts especially, PGA and PG extract very different notes. By making two extracts from the same type of cigar I feel that I am getting a fuller spectrum of flavor. It also allows me to get a much stronger extract thus using less flavoring to achieve the same strength in the finished juice. After winterizing and filtering the PGA I will combine it with the filtered PG extract. After setting for a few days and a little filtering I pop it in the freezer for a couple days to settle even more organic matter out. All the good stuff gets filtered again. Then the PGA is evaporated leaving a very concentrated extremely clean PG extract to be filtered one last time before being turned into some killer juice that's very easy on the coils. Just something for you to mull over."
I just might have to give this a try with my Anniversary Kake.
Vaped @ 38.1w, 0.2 ohm, single clapton coil, pegasus rda
clearing my palate between flavors with a cinnamon heavy vape, sniffing 10% menthol flavor concentrate and some ground up breakfast blend coffee. Obviously rewicking and cleaning coils between as well.
The company has a syrian latakia blend which is not included in the notebook sampler.
All 50/50 blends @ 3mg/ml nic strength.
I am starting with "prelude" the virginia blend and tasting in order as presented.
Prelude :
Clean light sweet taste. No tanginess just a good representation of a light virginia. Juice is light golden color.
Sonata :
Magnificent flavor - I was a cavendish smoker when I did smoke pipe so I was hoping this wouldn't dissapoint. They treated the leaf english style (my preference) . Its smooth and biteless with the perfect tobacco essence on exhale , the only comparison I have is naturally-extracted-tobacco.com black cavendish steeped (aged) 2 months. Mellow sweetness , flavor overall a little light on inhale but prominent as I said on the exhale. Pleasant and light, comforting.
Adagio :
Havana seed, unlike a lot of the others it doesn't specify if this too was grown in italy but I can only presume. Now to be frank, I was never a big cigar guy - i've done a little more than a dozen cigar extractions (filler / wrapper / whole cigar) half normal pg/vg maceration and half PGA TA's.
That said, i've had Cuban seed that was grown elsewhere in South America (in NET form)
This is too lightly flavored, we have the earthiness present though - you can still taste the cleanness even with lighter flavor but that's to be expected with cold macerated NET , but that earthiness gives it that cigarette / cigar "taste" that so many are after - real clear (again) on exhale. I think if they blended this with some of the other leaf they use (the virginia perhaps) they could be on to something great. Lacks depth of character.
Legato :
Kentucky!
The first one so far to have a strong scent on opening. Mighty fine inhale and exhale, toasty - real good mouth feel on this, mild nuttiness is present and center , a good mustiness - not like a fire cured variety but definitely not "swampy" . Kudos to black note for an above average example of this variety, start with good leaf and end with good NET.
Forte:
Air cured - shade dried burley. Again we find a little hint of life emitting from the freshly opened bottle.
Pleasant top note , sort of hollowed tobacco taste common to stand alone burley - this ones too lightly done as well in my opinion. A lot of subtleties on deeper inhale -
Cadenza :
Basma! an unusual stand alone leaf, what grade/ what seed? who knows!.
Grassiness jumps out at me on opening the bottle. Sweet with just the perfect hint of spice, I don't think its yenidje (kavalla or xanthi?) , biteless and a perfect undertone of earthy goodness. I prefer my orientals topping off pipe blends or mixed with virginia (what can I say I smoked camels!) but as a stand alone this is an above average example of an oriental NET. Deeper inhale reveals sweet and sour character. Robust "dusty / dryness" coming through. an above average representation of oriental NET but only just.
Bravura :
Perique blend. Not a huge perique fan , I think its a condiment tobacco for a reason but, lets dig in.
No surprise with the smell of a fresh bottle. Spicy sweet, they used a proper concentration for this one (given my tastes) - as i'm not overwhelmed with it (too much perique tastes like foul mushrooms to me) , almost briny on deeper inhale? - a fair NET blend of this variety.
Solo :
Virginia and menthol, the twist being that they apparently did the same maceration process on spearmint or peppermint (description says "natural menthol oils" i'm not a big menthol guy so I can't tell but its definitely not normal artifical menthol) . I've heard of people doing extractions with actual mint before but never tasted it.
Very cooling on the inhale but it didn't make me want to cough like over mentholated artificial ejuice. Can barely make out the virginia on exhale - reminds me of those marlbloro smooths so maybe it is spearmint? - mouth feels like I just had altoid or something , you could vape this to freshen your breath for hot dates. Deeper fuller hit , definitely taste the virginia blended in here. So yeh if you smoked menthol cigarettes this would probably be right up your alley.
Conclusion / tl;dr : 3 above average examples , none of them were subpar , so a competent NET manufacturer.
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So me hardies, I need some recommendations for a Virginia-Turkish NET.
The ones I DIY combining single varietals taste flat. Figured I'd try a commercial blend.
The ones I DIY combining single varietals taste flat. Figured I'd try a commercial blend.
I mixed 16 of the extracts I got from the blowout boxes I got from MyVapeJuice so I am looking forward to seeing how they turn out. Judging by the scent of the extracts I am optimistic that they will turn out very nicely indeed.
I mixed them all at 25% extract, 60/40 PGVG at 6mg MFS nicotine.
Amongst the ones I am really looking forward to trying the most are the Obsidian Pipe, Cornell and Diell Old Joe Kranz, Earl Grey Tea, H & H Loiusiana Red pipe and Plum Pudding Pipe. I am also looking forward to to trying some of the varietals such as CT Broadleaf and Indonesia Bezuki.
I transferred all the extracts from the plastic bottles Diane supplied them in, into Amber glass Boston bottles. They will live in my fridge. These will last a long time and will most likely go off before I've even Vaped a quarter of them. What to do with so much extract!
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I mixed them all at 25% extract, 60/40 PGVG at 6mg MFS nicotine.
Amongst the ones I am really looking forward to trying the most are the Obsidian Pipe, Cornell and Diell Old Joe Kranz, Earl Grey Tea, H & H Loiusiana Red pipe and Plum Pudding Pipe. I am also looking forward to to trying some of the varietals such as CT Broadleaf and Indonesia Bezuki.
I transferred all the extracts from the plastic bottles Diane supplied them in, into Amber glass Boston bottles. They will live in my fridge. These will last a long time and will most likely go off before I've even Vaped a quarter of them. What to do with so much extract!
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Hey Anthony. I think you'll like the Obsidian it's good. Don't let the grey-black color throw you off. Joe Krantz is Excellent, one of my top five juices. CT Broadleaf can be a great addition to a cigar juice as long as you get bottom or mid-leaf. The top leaf isn't all that great. It's the luck of the draw as to which leaf you get.
Hey boomer, the obsidian pipe certain is a dark foreboding color and along with the scent Ot really captivated me. I was consisting mixing at 15% but I started with 25% along with all the other mixes. If it's too strong in flavor I will step down the ratio on the next mix.
I picked up the other varietal leafs as well in the blowout boxes. I have the sweeter Virginia leafs, the medium CT broadleaf, LS broadleaf and the darker Cameroon Seco and Indonesian Bezuki. I might try these separately before trying my hand at tobacco Masterchef in blending some of them.
I'm enjoying blue beard from velvet cloud vapors right now I want to try havana gold I like smoking cigars hah
Unfortunately, so far I have only tried Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish that would match that description.
I suppose I'll go ahead and mix up a bottle. I haven't had any of this one in several months.
The Lane BCA was tasting like vaping a cake earlier, but the flavor has lost it's edge. Time to switch it up anyways.
I really don't know why I have not sought out more of them though, I find Turkish and Virginia to be a great combination.
Upon vaping the newly mixed 84 Turkish:
It has a bit of a bite to it, and not in the groovy Latakia or a strong Burley kind of way, either.
I'm pretty sure this tobacco was really dry when I went to extract it. Is it even possible for harshness to transmit in such a way?
I'm going to vape Big & Burley for the rest of the evening and see how I feel about this at a later date. But for now, it's going to the back of the cupboard.
I would say that my next extract currently dripping through an Ahlstrom filter disc halfway qualifies as a Turkish/Virginia mix; Moonshine Pipe Co. XXX Blend - Latakia, Turkish, VA and Burley.
From P&C: "XXX is a Latakia-based blend that is mixed with Turkish Smyrna, high quality Virginia leaf, and a touch of Burley. To finish off the exotic mix of tobaccos a light top note of Kentucky Bourbon is added for room note."
But you know, checking the composition of Big & Burley again (because I usually forget what's in what I'm vaping besides the dominant flavor) - "Big & Burley is a lightly sweet, rough cut Burley with hints of earthy Turkish, deep, smoky Latakia and fruity/peppery Perique."
....I'm starting to see a pattern here.
Some interesting combinations there Anthony. Have fun!
Unfortunately, so far I have only tried Peter Stokkebye 84 Turkish that would match that description.
I suppose I'll go ahead and mix up a bottle. I haven't had any of this one in several months.
The Lane BCA was tasting like vaping a cake earlier, but the flavor has lost it's edge. Time to switch it up anyways.
I really don't know why I have not sought out more of them though, I find Turkish and Virginia to be a great combination.
Upon vaping the newly mixed 84 Turkish:
It has a bit of a bite to it, and not in the groovy Latakia or a strong Burley kind of way, either.
I'm pretty sure this tobacco was really dry when I went to extract it. Is it even possible for harshness to transmit in such a way?
I'm going to vape Big & Burley for the rest of the evening and see how I feel about this at a later date. But for now, it's going to the back of the cupboard.
I would say that my next extract currently dripping through an Ahlstrom filter disc halfway qualifies as a Turkish/Virginia mix; Moonshine Pipe Co. XXX Blend - Latakia, Turkish, VA and Burley.
From P&C: "XXX is a Latakia-based blend that is mixed with Turkish Smyrna, high quality Virginia leaf, and a touch of Burley. To finish off the exotic mix ofa light top note of Kentucky Bourbon is added for room note."
But you know, checking the composition of Big & Burley again (because I usually forget what's in what I'm vaping besides the dominant flavor) - "Big & Burley is a lightly sweet, rough cut Burley with hints of earthy Turkish, deep, smoky Latakia and fruity/peppery Perique."
....I'm starting to see a pattern here.
The Moonshine XXX was really good, but the Latakia, which I love, is up front. I'm looking for a slightly sweet Virginia mixed with Smyrna. There's another Turkish leaf which I can't recall the name, maybe Macedonian which is really pukey strong. I try to avoid that one.
Kentucky Bourbon is an interesting flavor. I had run out of it while mixing up some Castle Long and used Whiskey flavor instead. Not the same at all! That Kentucky Bourbon is what makes Castle Long one of my favorite non-NET juices.
well, that makes the ridiculously high price more palatable.
Yeah, I see what you're saying about the "up-front" bit. I often find myself falling back on balanced blends that have a bit of smoky character standing out. I might very well be stocked up on Latakias for a while, now.
Second to last extract I've got on deck is P&C's Match Balkan Sobranie 759, which contains Cavendish, Dark Fired Kentucky, Latakia, Oriental, Perique, Turkish & Virginia.
The smell is hopeful, and I did try a sampler of it without filtration about seven months ago. At that time, it seemed more balanced, though that's probably because there's more types of tobacco in it - similar to the Sutliff Private Stock Balkan Luxury Blend 957; Oriental, Perique, Latakia, Virginia & Black Cav.
It will take some time aging the Match BS 759 to see if it rounds out into a...I guess, "bacony" Latakia. I don't know any other way to describe the savory note coming off the top of the extract than good smoked bacon... maybe standing near a barbecue getting ready to tear into some burnt ends or something?
The Sutliff only hasn't been vaped up because I liked it so much, and because it had the oomph of Latakia but an incredibly cool finish. But it got far better with age in extract form, which was interesting; because until I noticed that happening a while back, I'd been listening to people say that you had to mix juice for the aging to take place. Extract seems to age just like the tobacco that was inside of it.
Perhaps that's yet another thing that sets NETs apart? (EDIT: I would assume anything that has organic matter in the extract, such as tea, would likely age similarly. I know that many different types of teas are subjected to different drying and curing processes, so maybe a spiced tea would make an interesting experiment for the upcoming winter season?)
I'm tempted to try some of the more radically flavored Cavendish (gunk aside, I love strong cavendish), but there's a metric ton of recommendations here for me to wade through. Straight up Red Virginia has been added to the list, but maybe I can find something unique and change it up a bit more. Toasted, fire-cured...enjoyed Clay's take on pretty much every single varietal I got from him, so I really need to revisit them.
OH, before I forget! So, two days ago, right? I get this email from P&C about Russ getting ahold of some very rare Perique varietals that are essentially 'until it's gone' stock-wise. Apparently the 'experiment', as they're calling it, is "RO Series Perique".
From P&C:
"One year, a number of years back, Mark tried making one barrel of Perique using leaf from each one of the four growing regions in what is known as the “Golden Triangle”. Each one of these four varietal Periques exhibit singular properties and flavors. He offered Russ the opportunity to create blends using these very limited tobaccos, and our master blender jumped at the chance. Each one of these four blends are very different, with Russ working with a variety of different leaf to maximize the characteristics of the Periques."
Now, as to which one interests me the most? GP-11, mainly because of the double-toasted Burley. That just sounds good to me. I might have to do some creative shuffling and hurry to try and get enough scraped together to order at least one or two of them (I'm usually hesitant to order things that aren't reviewed, but...you know, it's Perique...) but if all else fails there are plenty of great blends I can seek out.
(EDIT: I'm going to be extracting some old Grovsnus [or was it Ettan? I forget], General, and Dry Snuff just for the heck of it. It probably won't taste much like Vapenstein's Stockholm, though.)
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I got that too and unable to decide I added them all to my cart. Haven't placed the order yet but they all sounded intriguing in different ways...and I love Perique
I know, right? I can't figure out whether I like Big & Burley for the Burley or like it for the Perique. Maybe it's that and the fact there's just a touch of fired Latakia in there that gives it more of a fire-cured Burley flavor than a spicy or woodsy Latakia taste.
Now, GeJ's Acadian Gold (I forget whether we discussed on here if it was a Perique or some blend from the St. James Parish area) Whatever the heck A.G. actually is, I want to find a tobacco like that to vape alone or Frankenjuice it up with some more Perique.
Look up Acadian Gold on P&C, however, and you'll see a bunch of stuff with "Acadian" in the name, and even this one. No telling exactly what GeJ's is besides good, though Russ seems to be continuing this trend of "Make a bunch of stuff Brob will be splitting hairs choosing between, because it all looks good."
I mean, a Virginia fermented like a Perique? I'm super curious to see how that tastes.
After I do order, I have to stay away from P&C for a few days, or I quite literally will go broke.
Anyways, back to the extracts....
I'm hoping that the McClelland No. 2015 Virginia Flake and Perique aged well over the last year, and it should be ready for its final pass through the filter tomorrow- the Match B.S. 759 is quite dark and may take a while to drip through the filter disk, so time-wise, I probably should have just filtered the Flake & Perique first, honestly.
One of these days, if I'm not careful, I'll end up picking up a second Aeropress. It doesn't hurt that they make awesome coffee using the inverted method (I have a tendency to use the Keurig when I'm being lazy), and I like that it cleans clean super easy with soap and vinegar. For ease of use and functionality I might be tempted to put the Aeropress above my spice mill as far as multipurpose devices go.
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