Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

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The Hammer has fallen on Dunhill. You may order til the end of the month at Pipes and Cigars: :-x
You've probably heard by now that all the Dunhill blends will be discontinued in the near future. We had no idea that this would be happening when we put together our calendar deals for this year, so if you're a Dunhill fan, you've caught a break because our March calendar deal is buy 3, Get 1 Free on all Dunhill tins, and because of this email, we're going to extend it until April 4th, so you still have time to stock up! :nah:

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That's an utter shame. The good news is that there are still some Dunhill blends left on P&C's page, and when those are gone I suppose there's the Match offerings that... well, I'm going to grab some with my next order at any rate.

Some things came up and I haven't been able to order in a bit, but I luckily extracted enough in my last run to stretch through. I'm running dangerously low on Big & Burley (enough extract for about 80-90ml of juice remains), so I'll need to restock if/when it comes out of backorder.

Any recommendations as to what I could use to replace it, or rather just a good Burley in general? I might have to bother Clay for extracts and some variety to see what's good these days.

I've got to give Latakia a break for a bit, because it's all starting to taste the same to me right now. I even mixed up some of the old discontinued Luxury Blend, and while it does have a strong savory taste, it just doesn't have the same impact or complexity to my taste buds. I've noticed the same trend across Latakia-centric blends and so have pretty much been vaping Va/Per, Lane BCA, and Big & Burley lately.

I did notice Clay's Full Zware and thought it was a funny homage to the pouches of Halfzware Shag I used to roll up with, so I may have to give that a try.
 

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As far as purchasing liquids goes, my own buying habits have been far and in-between. Most eliquid I have, I extracted myself. So any response to the world of store bought liquids would be weak on my part. I believe this trend plays a part in a weaker response as folks extract liquids on their own.

That might be possible but self extracting is really an art form not suited to everyone and usually the domain of more experienced vapers. Back when most of us from this group started to vape a number of years ago, devices were smaller and wattage was lower. Mouth to lung vaping was the norm which was very conducive to tobacco based e-juice. The market was awash with NETs and synthetic tobacco flavours trying to simulate the cigarette, pipe and cigar experience.

With the evolution of vaping to high wattage devices and direct lung inhaling, NET vaping isn't as attractive or conducive to vaping in this way. Tobacco based vapes are just not suited to high wattage vaping. Even I don't like to vape NETs above about 15 watts. Tobacco vapes are more enjoyable at a low wattage for mouth to lung vaping and with an amount of nicotine that all combined simulate the smoking experience. Of course there are exceptions always.

Any new vaper perusing the popular juice vendors won't find the array of tobacco based juices we were all exposed to a few years ago. They will find dessert, fruit and bakery type vapes mainly.

I believe that the trend now to shrink devices into pod mods or cigalikes with higher levels of nicotine and nicotine salts to meet encroaching legislative restrictions in certain jurisdictions in Europe and the US may revive the consumers interest in tobacco based juices.


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I was actually vaping Full Zware yesterday. It's a nice rich tobacco flavour. I think it might be one of NET.coms' best e-liquids.

There are so many good ones though that it is hard to pin down one 'best' e-liquid. I've also been enjoying Mercenary and Sun Cured Turkish lately.

I really hope NET.com survives these turbulent times in the US vaping scene and leading up to August 2018.

I have not put in an order since September. Can someone tell me if they have put an order through recently. Was it fresh? Did you get the order quickly? Is Clay responding to emails?

I've sent Clay an email to see how the business is shaping up for the next 12-15 months to ensure I am able to anticipate any changes with planned orders but he hasn't responded to me as yet.




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I was actually vaping Full Zware yesterday. It's a nice rich tobacco flavour. I think it might be one of NET.coms' best e-liquids.

There are so many good ones though that it is hard to pin down one 'best' e-liquid. I've also been enjoying Mercenary and Sun Cured Turkish lately.

I really hope NET.com survives these turbulent times in the US vaping scene and leading up to August 2018.

I have not put in an order since September. Can someone tell me if they have put an order through recently. Was it fresh? Did you get the order quickly? Is Clay responding to emails?

I've sent Clay an email to see how the business is shaping up for the next 12-15 months to ensure I am able to anticipate any changes with planned orders but he hasn't responded to me as yet.




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It's probably been 6 months since I ordered from Clay
 

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That might be possible but self extracting is really an art form not suited to everyone and usually the domain of more experienced vapers. Back when most of us from this group started to vape a number of years ago, devices were smaller and wattage was lower. Mouth to lung vaping was the norm which was very conducive to tobacco based e-juice. The market was awash with NETs and synthetic tobacco flavours trying to simulate the cigarette, pipe and cigar experience.

With the evolution of vaping to high wattage devices and direct lung inhaling, NET vaping isn't as attractive or conducive to vaping in this way. Tobacco based vapes are just not suited to high wattage vaping. Even I don't like to vape NETs above about 15 watts. Tobacco vapes are more enjoyable at a low wattage for mouth to lung vaping and with an amount of nicotine that all combined simulate the smoking experience. Of course there are exceptions always.

Any new vaper perusing the popular juice vendors won't find the array of tobacco based juices we were all exposed to a few years ago. They will find dessert, fruit and bakery type vapes mainly.

I believe that the trend now to shrink devices into pod mods or cigalikes with higher levels of nicotine and nicotine salts to meet encroaching legislative restrictions in certain jurisdictions in Europe and the US may revive the consumers interest in tobacco based juices.


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I agree with not "hot vaping." I do not enjoy any liquid over 29 watts. I usually get more flavor 19-25.8 watts.
 

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I had both the Full Zware and Sun Cured Turkish but, it's been over a year so I can't rightly recall details but, I did enjoy them both. Since extracting Peter Stockebyes' 84 Turkish comes close to Sun Cured but, Clay's has a little something else in it that elevates it.
 

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I was actually vaping Full Zware yesterday. It's a nice rich tobacco flavour. I think it might be one of NET.coms' best e-liquids.

There are so many good ones though that it is hard to pin down one 'best' e-liquid. I've also been enjoying Mercenary and Sun Cured Turkish lately.

I really hope NET.com survives these turbulent times in the US vaping scene and leading up to August 2018.

I have not put in an order since September. Can someone tell me if they have put an order through recently. Was it fresh? Did you get the order quickly? Is Clay responding to emails?

I've sent Clay an email to see how the business is shaping up for the next 12-15 months to ensure I am able to anticipate any changes with planned orders but he hasn't responded to me as yet.




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My Last order was new year sales. Fresh - yes. Delivered to uk in approx. 7 days. All appeared to be up and running back then.

Actually vaping full zware as i type. Excellent juice. They all are!

I have shifted down to regular rather than extra extract. Certainly less taste, but gunking reduced hugely, far more than exponentially.
 

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I have been communicating with Clay recently and he is still active and still maintaining his business as per usual.

He intends to stick things out no matter what happens until such a time when the legislative hammer falls.

I never thought I would hear myself saying this but being in Australia will be advantageous come August 2018. The deeming legislations won't prohibit American suppliers of nicotine juice from selling overseas and Clay intends to continue running his business after August 2018 by targeting the international market if the legislation doesn't change.


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I have been communicating with Clay recently and he is still active and still maintaining his business as per usual.

He intends to stick things out no matter what happens until such a time when the legislative hammer falls.

I never thought I would hear myself saying this but being in Australia will be advantageous come August 2018. The deeming legislations won't prohibit American suppliers of nicotine juice from selling overseas and Clay intends to continue running his business after August 2018 by targeting the international market if the legislation doesn't change.


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What a terrible shame that it has come to this. And all we wanted to do give up cancer sticks. :nah:
 

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My Last order was new year sales. Fresh - yes. Delivered to uk in approx. 7 days. All appeared to be up and running back then.

Actually vaping full zware as i type. Excellent juice. They all are!

I have shifted down to regular rather than extra extract. Certainly less taste, but gunking reduced hugely, far more than exponentially.
I get only 4ml maybe a little more even with a clear NET, before that pure smooth tobacco taste starts getting a little nasty cigarette smoke taste due to coil buildup on my KF V3 mini clone. Then I rewick after a very light pulsing dry burn. And only two fills on my 1.2 ml Myjet pods. Worth it though for the flavor.
 

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Hi everyone! I'm new to this thread and new to net tobacco flavors..

We need to hook my husband up. He is starting vaping, as soon as we have him some juice he likes.

He does NOT like sweet.. sweet is a definite no so these hybrid blends are out.

He smokes - when he is smoking cigarettes he smokes Marlboro menthol, when smoking his pipe it's captain black royal..

We need something that won't leave a sweet taste in his mouth.. but rather for now, recreate smoking.

What are everyone's suggestions. We NEED to avoid throat hit, at least until he is used to vaping, I had him try my max vg e juice, and he likes the way it vapes but doesn't like my sweet tooth. I had him try my son's e juice, which is higher nicotine with a 80vg 20pg mix, and he hated the throat hit, as well as disliking the sweetness (that one was a hybrid tobacco flavor)

So.. we need to find something for him.. suggestions anyone?
 
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Hi everyone! I'm new to this thread and new to net tobacco flavors..

We need to hook my husband up. He is starting vaping, as soon as we have him some juice he likes.

He does NOT like sweet.. sweet is a definite no so these hybrid blends are out.

He smokes - when he is smoking cigarettes he smokes Marlboro menthol, when smoking his pipe it's captain black royal..

We need something that won't leave a sweet taste in his mouth.. but rather for now, recreate smoking.

What are everyone's suggestions. We NEED to avoid throat hit, at least until he is used to vaping, I had him try my max vg e juice, and he likes the way it vapes but doesn't like my sweet tooth. I had him try my son's e juice, which is higher nicotine with a 80vg 20pg mix, and he hated the throat hit, as well as disliking the sweetness (that one was a hybrid tobacco flavor)

So.. we need to find something for him.. suggestions anyone?

This is only a suggestion. Many, many folks here like the flavors at Net.com and started their vaping journey there. There were a few other places which, unfortunately, have gone out of business due to government pending regulations and costs to continue selling their product.
In any event a place to start at this vendor is:
Cigarette-style e-Liquids
I would suggest a small bottle of a few of these to start. no more than 6mgs of nicotine, and 100% VG. certainly no more than 10% PG at this time.
Let us know how that or any other suggestions you receive work out.
 

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This is only a suggestion. Many, many folks here like the flavors at Net.com and started their vaping journey there. There were a few other places which, unfortunately, have gone out of business due to government pending regulations and costs to continue selling their product.
In any event a place to start at this vendor is:
Cigarette-style e-Liquids
I would suggest a small bottle of a few of these to start. no more than 6mgs of nicotine, and 100% VG. certainly no more than 10% PG at this time.
Let us know how that or any other suggestions you receive work out.

Someone else had recommended that site to me, and before entering this thread I have ordered Balkan as well as organic spirit, as both of those seemed like possibles.. so I ordered a sample bottle of each (just 5ml of each) to try out, in a 12mg/ml of nic, in a max vg..
 

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Hi everyone! I'm new to this thread and new to net tobacco flavors..

We need to hook my husband up. He is starting vaping, as soon as we have him some juice he likes.

He does NOT like sweet.. sweet is a definite no so these hybrid blends are out.

He smokes - when he is smoking cigarettes he smokes Marlboro menthol, when smoking his pipe it's captain black royal..

We need something that won't leave a sweet taste in his mouth.. but rather for now, recreate smoking.

What are everyone's suggestions. We NEED to avoid throat hit, at least until he is used to vaping, I had him try my max vg e juice, and he likes the way it vapes but doesn't like my sweet tooth. I had him try my son's e juice, which is higher nicotine with a 80vg 20pg mix, and he hated the throat hit, as well as disliking the sweetness (that one was a hybrid tobacco flavor)

So.. we need to find something for him.. suggestions anyone?

I second the NET.com suggestion.

Given that your husband is not liking too much throat hit, smoked Marlboro menthol and really wants a cigalike experience I recommend the following:

1) As a vaping device he could buy an eleaf icare or Myjet which are both small cigarette sized devices that are very affordable and easy to use.

2) try the juices at Naturally-extracted-tobacco.com at about 10 mg nicotine. Big Spirit, Full Zware, Sun Cured Turkish and Air Cured Burley are all dry sweetness juices that could work for him. There are a few menthol based juices as well such as pepper spec that could replicate his Marlboro menthol experience.

3) if he is really particular about smooth throat hit you could perhaps consider mixing the juices for him by getting extract at the site I recommended and buying PG, VG and some nicotine salt liquid at the various reputable nicotine supply vendors such as Nude Nicotine. Nicotine salts are very smooth and imitate the kind of buzz cigarettes give.

4) Alternatively you could try Black Note and get the Notebook pack which has the full range of their tobacco based liquids in sampler sizes. Black Note will not gunk up coils as fast as other tobacco based vendors and are quite dry. The solo is a menthol in the black note range and quite exceptional as far as menthol tobacco liquids go. I recommend the 12mg nicotine strength for small cigalike devices like the Eleaf Icare and other similar devices.


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I second the NET.com suggestion.

Given that your husband is not liking too much throat hit, smoked Marlboro menthol and really wants a cigalike experience I recommend the following:

1) As a vaping device he could buy an eleaf icare or Myjet which are both small cigarette sized devices that are very affordable and easy to use.

2) try the juices at Naturally-extracted-tobacco.com at about 10 mg nicotine. Big Spirit, Full Zware, Sun Cured Turkish and Air Cured Burley are all dry sweetness juices that could work for him. There are a few menthol based juices as well such as pepper spec that could replicate his Marlboro menthol experience.

3) if he is really particular about smooth throat hit you could perhaps consider mixing the juices for him by getting extract at the site I recommended and buying PG, VG and some nicotine salt liquid at the various reputable nicotine supply vendors such as Nude Nicotine. Nicotine salts are very smooth and imitate the kind of buzz cigarettes give.

4) Alternatively you could try Black Note and get the Notebook pack which has the full range of their tobacco based liquids in sampler sizes. Black Note will not gunk up coils as fast as other tobacco based vendors and are quite dry. The solo is a menthol in the black note range and quite exceptional as far as menthol tobacco liquids go. I recommend the 12mg nicotine strength for small cigalike devices like the Eleaf Icare and other similar devices.


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To explain, I'm giving my husband one of my P3's and setting him up with a kayfun 4..(I have an extra to give him of that also) he tried mine the other day (my p3 with a kayfun 4) and decided he changed his mind and wanted to start vaping if we could get him some flavors he will like.

He does NOT like my sweet flavors in the least, but he does like how they vape (i vape max vg low nicotine with no throat hit) I had him try one of my son's e juices (in a cleaned kayfun with a new coil and wick) that was a tobacco hybrid, and he thought that was too sweet too..

So, as far as device we have him set up happily, it's the juice that is what I'm searching, in specific.

I'm just now getting into DIY.. I have my flavors, but not his (as he swore for the last three years vaping was weird and he wouldn't vape.. lol) So.. tobacco flavors are new to me, and I know nothing about them.

I'm figuring I need first to purchase some ejuices that he likes.. then see if I cannot copycat the recipe (or find a good copycat of what we find that he likes) I'm seeing that as more feasible and more cost effective than buying a ton of flavors blind..
 

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To explain, I'm giving my husband one of my P3's and setting him up with a kayfun 4..(I have an extra to give him of that also) he tried mine the other day (my p3 with a kayfun 4) and decided he changed his mind and wanted to start vaping if we could get him some flavors he will like.

He does NOT like my sweet flavors in the least, but he does like how they vape (i vape max vg low nicotine with no throat hit) I had him try one of my son's e juices (in a cleaned kayfun with a new coil and wick) that was a tobacco hybrid, and he thought that was too sweet too..

So, as far as device we have him set up happily, it's the juice that is what I'm searching, in specific.

I'm just now getting into DIY.. I have my flavors, but not his (as he swore for the last three years vaping was weird and he wouldn't vape.. lol) So.. tobacco flavors are new to me, and I know nothing about them.

I'm figuring I need first to purchase some ejuices that he likes.. then see if I cannot copycat the recipe (or find a good copycat of what we find that he likes) I'm seeing that as more feasible and more cost effective than buying a ton of flavors blind..
Those sample bottles are a good start as are the recommendations and the ones you chose. I also like Analog Blend and Sun cured Turkish from NET. Goodejuice has a decent menthol NET as well, I think it's 50/50 but it's not harsh. After you find a NET you like you might order the extract versions and mix your own like I do, it saves a little money.
 

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I second the NET.com suggestion.

Given that your husband is not liking too much throat hit, smoked Marlboro menthol and really wants a cigalike experience I recommend the following:

1) As a vaping device he could buy an eleaf icare or Myjet which are both small cigarette sized devices that are very affordable and easy to use.

2) try the juices at Naturally-extracted-tobacco.com at about 10 mg nicotine. Big Spirit, Full Zware, Sun Cured Turkish and Air Cured Burley are all dry sweetness juices that could work for him. There are a few menthol based juices as well such as pepper spec that could replicate his Marlboro menthol experience.

3) if he is really particular about smooth throat hit you could perhaps consider mixing the juices for him by getting extract at the site I recommended and buying PG, VG and some nicotine salt liquid at the various reputable nicotine supply vendors such as Nude Nicotine. Nicotine salts are very smooth and imitate the kind of buzz cigarettes give.

4) Alternatively you could try Black Note and get the Notebook pack which has the full range of their tobacco based liquids in sampler sizes. Black Note will not gunk up coils as fast as other tobacco based vendors and are quite dry. The solo is a menthol in the black note range and quite exceptional as far as menthol tobacco liquids go. I recommend the 12mg nicotine strength for small cigalike devices like the Eleaf Icare and other similar devices.


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Okay.. I have found the black note, and straight away I am seeing that there is no max vg option with this though.. but ill keep this brand in mind once he is more used to vaping, perhaps in a month or two his throat will be able to handle some throat hit..

Thanks for the link.
 
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