Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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The taste is a litte bit like turkish 84 or sun cured turkish because its a turkish leaf with a little sweetness. A have bought leafs from leafonly.com last year to make homemades. But its difficult to find commercial nets with turkish tobaccos like yenidje.
I have bought one from real extracts but i didnt like the flavours from them. It has tasted like a green leaf and not like a brown leaf. I have missed the flavour of my home made one.
Smyrna has not as much flavour as yenidje or the sun cured turkish. Its not soooo sweet in opinion.
At the moment i want a net without sweetness but its very difficult. In my opinion pg is sweeter than vg. I am vaping 70% vg with 30% pg because i need a little bit scratching of the pg for a good throat hit. VG does not scratch. Hmm ???
Oh, its morning in australia isnt it ? In germany its midnight and little jonny has to go to the sandman.....bye anthony
Oh, its morning in australia isnt it ? In germany its midnight and little jonny has to go to the sandman.....bye anthony
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Hi folks. I'd like some advice on the best wicking material and coil wire for NETs. I'm using 26g SS316L with MUJI cotton. This works well when i'm subohming fruity, candy juices. But my NETs are gunking up very quickly and tasting a bit burnt. I'm trying to keep wattage to about 14-20W so i don't over heat the coil. Because i don't use nicotine, I'm probably taking more drags than others do in a 10 minute session. I am dry burning/rinsing coil and rewicking after about 15-20 drags.
HI Boilerguy. I'm using a Narda single coil rda. Maybe I'll try to make higher ohm coils. My current coil is .78ohms. I also don't subohm NETs(unless you think 20W is subohming). I was thinking of using a Cellucotton wick. I'll see how i go with the higher ohms first.
I ended up using mesh wicks. Like yourself, I only vape NETs & cotton just filters the juice, needing almost constant replacement, (I can taste cotton too...). With mesh, I still have to remove wicks, burn 'em, dry burn coils & slip wicks back in once:/twice a day but it's much quicker than with fluff!
Sub-ohming is just like what it sounds like... using a coil with a resistance below 1 ohm.
When vaping a NET... I typically are using a notch coil @ 0.23 ohms using japanese cotton for a wick. I run temp limited to 400° at 25w and the flavor come through just fine. I probably dry burn about every 3 tanks in my Theorum atomizer.
NET's are naturally more apt to gunk quicker than a synthetic juice ( ie tobacco flavored but not extracted from actual tobacco ). To subohm a NET, you'll need a shorter but large diameter wicking material that can keep up with the heat you are putting to the coil and a coil with a larger diameter gauge to help spread that heat out across a larger area.
When vaping a NET... I typically are using a notch coil @ 0.23 ohms using japanese cotton for a wick. I run temp limited to 400° at 25w and the flavor come through just fine. I probably dry burn about every 3 tanks in my Theorum atomizer.
NET's are naturally more apt to gunk quicker than a synthetic juice ( ie tobacco flavored but not extracted from actual tobacco ). To subohm a NET, you'll need a shorter but large diameter wicking material that can keep up with the heat you are putting to the coil and a coil with a larger diameter gauge to help spread that heat out across a larger area.
"Sub-ohming is technically anything below 1.0 ohm. It is the resulting power applied to the quantity of juice that is relevant. - .78 ohm resistance should be fine but to be equal to my 1.2 ohm coil at 12 watts you would simply lower your wattage.
Also consider that increasing ohms usually means longer wire i.e. more surface area of coil exposure to wick & juice. Probably a better vape I would think.
You are using more power (i.e. watts) and less resistance (i.e. ohms) so you are running a lot hotter (more amps) than I am." Boiler Guy
Hah. I hadn't realised that .78W is considered subohming. I lowered my wattage to 12.5W. which I think was a bit better but still had to clean my coils pretty soon into my session. I have a feeling the main culprit in my case is that I take alot of puffs/drags in a short amount of time because I can-due to the fact that I'm not using nicotine. So maybe the coils are getting burnt and gunked up alot more quickly than happens to most people on this forum since you're intake of nicotine which would slow down the amount of drags over the same period of time. I hope that makes sense!
Also consider that increasing ohms usually means longer wire i.e. more surface area of coil exposure to wick & juice. Probably a better vape I would think.
You are using more power (i.e. watts) and less resistance (i.e. ohms) so you are running a lot hotter (more amps) than I am." Boiler Guy
Hah. I hadn't realised that .78W is considered subohming. I lowered my wattage to 12.5W. which I think was a bit better but still had to clean my coils pretty soon into my session. I have a feeling the main culprit in my case is that I take alot of puffs/drags in a short amount of time because I can-due to the fact that I'm not using nicotine. So maybe the coils are getting burnt and gunked up alot more quickly than happens to most people on this forum since you're intake of nicotine which would slow down the amount of drags over the same period of time. I hope that makes sense!
Japanese cotton, Kayfuns and 6 coils 3mm 29g wide wrapped around said cotton. That's all I use now. Exclusively NET's.
Hi Jonny,
I might be going through the same thing. When I vape mouth to lung all day I use higher ratio PGVG juice and by the end of the day I have a bit of a scratchy throat and some mild ill effects. I don't get a rash though so I don't think I am PG intolerant. I think PG is more of an irritant and a little harsher on humans than VG.
When I vape mainly sub-ohm on weekends with MaxVG liquids I don't get any harshness in the throat.
One thing I have not experimented with is high VG in mouth to lung devices.
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Try a ceramic coil like Vaporessos Ccells.
The other tip I could give is that if you are going to sub-ohm NETs go with NETs that are cleaner and are less renown for gunking. Which vendors NETS are you using? This is very important because there are NETs that will gunk up coils in half a day and NETs that will take a week before the coils start tasting burnt.
You are vaping 20 watts at .78 ohms so that's not what I would consider subohming. That's within the normal bounds of NET vaping. Your coils are gunking up too fast.
I would say look at what liquids you are vaping first. Then consider hardware.
Perhaps consider using NETs that are known to be cleaner and gunk less such as blacknote or Heathers heavenly Vapes.
The other thing you could do is make your own NETs (assuming you aren't already). That way you can control the filtration of the NET by using lower micron filter papers. There are threads on ECF that can help you learn about making your own NETs.
NET.com NETs will gunk coils but you could perhaps contact the vendor Clay and ask if he will make your juices with half the extract so they are more suitable to higher wattage devices.
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What strength nicotine do you use on the abovementioned Kayfun set up? The reason I ask if that I was using a seldom used Kayfun v3 mini clone a few weeks ago with 12mg nicotine and I got nicotine sick very quickly. The throat hit felt good and there was no indication I was getting to much nicotine but soon enough I felt the effects.
Prior to that about 3 months before I used a similar clone Kayfun device, maybe the Kayfun 4 and I had similar effects on 10 mg nicotine.
It's strange because it's not as though I am producing big clouds or getting a strong throat hit. The nicotine sickness just kind of creeps up.
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I bet you are burning the cotton and it's got nothing to do with the NETs!
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Hi Anthony.
Believe it or not I'm using Evan's Real Extracts.
I would have thought that my Narda single coil was an rda that would suit NETs. as its not too airy and I close airflow hole down to at least halfway.
If I try the Vaporesso Ceramic coils that would mean going back to tanks..Lately I'm into RDAs but I'll look into it.
I think it might be that my frequent puffing is probably causing cotton to burn. So now that i've lowered wattage to 12.5W should I just take less puffs per minute or just put up with very frequent coil cleaning/wick changing?
Believe it or not I'm using Evan's Real Extracts.
I would have thought that my Narda single coil was an rda that would suit NETs. as its not too airy and I close airflow hole down to at least halfway.
If I try the Vaporesso Ceramic coils that would mean going back to tanks..Lately I'm into RDAs but I'll look into it.
I think it might be that my frequent puffing is probably causing cotton to burn. So now that i've lowered wattage to 12.5W should I just take less puffs per minute or just put up with very frequent coil cleaning/wick changing?
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scratchy throat and mild cough is the beginning signs of PG intolerance for me.....
I am new to vaping which I am using to quit smoking cigarettes. I have been using the innokin T22 which I like as well as a Juul which I started with. I am going to retire the Juul for many reasons. What I am looking for is a small MTL device which I can use with natural tobaccos. Any suggestions?
Nothing wrong with the endura 22! I find the endura t20 and t22 are ideal for NET vaping. They have affordable coils and good flavour. The one drawback is that I don't think you can rebuild on those coils.
I still use old Protanks and Aspire K1s for NETs.
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Since NET's are soooo hard on coils (I re wick and dry burn after each tank) it's advisable to get something that you can rebuild. Personally, I like these. Joyetech eGo ONE Mega V2 Tank
using the CLR (rebuildable) coil.
The main reason I like them (other than very good flavor) is that it's a swap and go tank. I have several extra prebuilt coils that I simply swap out when needed and rebuild when time allows.
The link above is for the 4ml tank. They also have it in a 2ml tank. Joyetech eGo ONE V2 Tank
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