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G'day all,

I was wondering if there is anything new on the perique front? Any new sources? How does the RBFS St. James stack up aginst GeJ? (I've given up on net.com :()

The consensus seems to be that RBFS St. James Parish is the pick of straight Perique litter. All the contenders pass muster, but RBFS St. James edges out the others on both clarity and subtlety of flavor. Brian does indeed know his way around an extraction.

Personally, I prefer two of my own home-extracted Virginia-Perique blends to straight Perique. Both are from Hearth & Home---Louisiana Red and Anniversary Kake from H&H's Signature series of pipe tobacco blends. Perique is typically used as a blending tobacco, as a player on a team rather than as a one-tobacco-show, and both the H&H VA-Per blend duos are wonderful examples of how well bright Virginia and swarthy Perique can sing together in harmony.
 

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G'day all,

I was wondering if there is anything new on the perique front? Any new sources? How does the RBFS St. James stack up aginst GeJ? (I've given up on net.com :()

For straight Perique, RBFS's St. James Parish is to me an amazing example of how wonderful that can be. Just judging it as a NET in general, it's one of my personal favorites. I've never had NETcom's to compare it to, and it's been too long since I've had Natural Perique from GeJ, but based on memory St. James is much better. Big Juicy has posted some great info comparing GeJ, NETcom, and RBFS Periques; may want to do a thread search.
 

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The consensus seems to be that RBFS St. James Parish is the pick of straight Perique litter. All the contenders pass muster, but RBFS St. James edges out the others on both clarity and subtlety of flavor. Brian does indeed know his way around an extraction.

Personally, I prefer two of my own home-extracted Virginia-Perique blends to straight Perique. Both are from Hearth & Home---Louisiana Red and Anniversary Kake from H&H's Signature series of pipe tobacco blends. Perique is typically used as a blending tobacco, as a player on a team rather than as a one-tobacco-show, and both the H&H VA-Per blend duos are wonderful examples of how well bright Virginia and swarthy Perique can sing together in harmony.

I agree with you Bill on the RBFS St. James, Only I found the taste "came out" much better after approximately three week steep.
As to the H&H Louisiana Red, when I start to do my own extractions, that is one that is on my to do list. Only problem now is I am a certified BBQ judge and every weekend this summer I am called upon to judge. Well, someone has to do it! :p
 

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Apologies in advance for the short-quotes and snippets. You'll see why in a moment.;)

I hope no one beat me to punch...

There just so happens to be one vendor that uses a wonderful steam distillation technique to produce flavorful NETs that are as clean on coils as synthetics.

It's called Ahlusion. Give them a try ;)


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I know someone has beat me to the punch by now, but Heather's Heavenly Vapes (HHV) almost fits the bill for this, as well.

There are a few synthetic/NET blends and straight synthetics there, as well.

HHV juices generally will benefit from a steep, but I have a few favorites that don't need it (generally).

Just be prepared for 10% to break while wrapping. Someone was going a bit fast on the tac welder. Avid wants $7 for 5 NR-R-NR pre-wound wicks. That's pretty ridiculous as you can get 250 of them at FT for the same price. Even losing 10% breakage it's still a bargain.

That's the thing, though- they come "tightly wound" and "loosely wound" and in just straight pieces of wire.

I'd go for the tightly wound; closest thing to a microcoil I can think of.
:D
I get that sometimes and I vape NET's exclusively. What I figured was, when the cotton burns just inside the coil it's because I was chain vaping away in my usual style. When I slowed down, it didn't happen. Guess I wasn't giving the cotton enough time to wick up more juice.

At least it's not burnt polyfill.

Ah, those weren't the days... :ohmy:

I see at FT there are more and more RDA's set-up to take ribbon wire. More surface space with ribbon means bigger clouds.

It seems stupid simple to use the stuff, excepting the resistance created at the screw-point. If they're screwless, there's no problem.

You also wouldn't need to microcoil with ribbon, but I've seen several videos of people doing exactly that.

I'd be happy with ribbon and ReadyXwick, because it would hopefully give enough distance between the wick and coil at intervals to avoid any accelerated carbon buildup while simultaneously allowing for some kind of interwick wicking to take place. :?:

I still really enjoy being able to clean the stuff with a blowtorch. Just, not while it's in an EVOD/PT head.

Those NR-R-NR wires; they'd be capable and practical for recoiling a dual-coil stacked like in the EVOD 2, correct?

I know standard kanthal would lead to a short in this instance (I burnt through a center post insulator and caused an instant short on cotton wick, that was not tasty), but at least I learned how to do a double-twisted 32GA loose microcoil through crimping and torching in the process.

Now I can use this on the KFL with a 1/32 or 1/16 bit to start the wrapping.

Since I only have the one RBA, it's become painfully obvious that I need more of them for "experimentation" purposes. :2cool:

You guys that need more wicking, one thing rayon does unquestionably well is wick. Cotton holds well, rayon wicks well. I would bet you would get hugely improved results in a Kanger head with instant wicking after a pull with rayon.

Thanks for that. I'll try cellucotton or whatever you guys are calling it these days.
Cotton doesn't keep up with my chain vaping, and has a distinct funny taste when burned. Like popcorn mixed with dirty sock odor and burnt match scrapings, or something.

I tried using it over the top coil as a "flavor wick." That mutes the vapor and flavor a bit. Using it as a middle "flavor wick" is better but still a huge pita when threading it between coils.

Maybe try stacking the coils on top of the material; sandwich it between them.

I can't handle the flavor of straight silica wicks these days, but maybe ekowool is a better candidate for this application?

I know you could torch readyXwick, but I'm not so sure about ekowool.

It supposedly has a higher maximum temperature rating, so boiling or spraying it down with scalding hot water might do the trick- I used to do this with my old kanger flavor wicks. If you're not careful, though, the wick will shred apart rather than get squeaky clean.

However, I can't remember the last time I actually used a flavor wick.

It has to have been months, if not almost a year.

Dual-coiling might necessitate one, but I have a feeling using a drillbit in-between the coils as a "spacer" might do the trick.

Lots of tension, center post/ground fiddling/cutting, more tension, remove bit, check resistance, dry burn, insert wick material into wicks. It may not work, but it will possibly reduce or eliminate the need for a center flavor wick.

Yik.
Dripping some HHV Huntsman that I picked up during the big sale a little while ago. I'm not well versed in their tobaccos, as I felt I lucked into something good by trying Gaia first. I believe this one shares the same tobacco base, but the burnt kettle corn top note is not sitting well with me. For those who've gone down this road, does this improve with age? Or should I just move on?

Every HHV e-liquid I've tried has benefitted from a steep.

In certain instances it will reverse the tobacco flavor and accompanying flavoring, in others it will increase the tobacco flavor and balance out the adjunct, and still in others the tobacco will come to the forefront.

I haven't had Huntsman in a while, but I remember liking it way more than Dark Horse (grassy).

Still haven't tried Gaia.

I know Middleton cigars claim to use pipe tobacco.

So, a black & mild would be feasable.

Just remove that inner cardboard layer and the glued-to-the-mouthpiece part before you try and make an extract, because neither of those would likely add anything tasty to a maceration.

MIDDLE POST COMMENT
Acadian Gold is, supposedly, the way Perique is blended to be sold in a blend as intended. It may not be all perique, but is certainly a tasty and enjoyable way for perique to be blended.
I believe Burley is the adjunct.
END COMMENT

Anyone that remembers the TV show "The Life of Riley" may remember his comment that is His stock answer to every turn of fate became a catch phrase: 'What a revoltin' development this is!" which is so apropos here. :grr:

Sorry for not responding to Juicy's above comment. I don't want to stir things up.

What I will say is this; I think, in a way, it's a good thing.

Why is this?

Look at how many have been inspired to try their hand at mixing their own hand-crafted macerations and blends since the backlog occurred.

That is all I will say regarding this matter at the moment, however I will most definitely post in multicolored happiness when I have further updates regarding this. However, as usual, I have a back-up plan just in case that fails to materialize.

However, one can not dispute that sadness over a favorite becoming unavailable is rather disheartening.

However, this opens up a world of extracts, different vendors, and learning to us.

Let us take the downside, and turn it into an upside.

On this note, MyVapeJuice's Captain Black Royal is a completely different beast with X-X-Extract.

Batten down the hatches for some gunking, mateys, as you will notice this quite quickly.

I would highly recommend those that do not DIY extracts to get a bottle of extract accompanying any sort of bulk-sized order.

Get your favorite flavor's extract counterpart, and adjust to the level of your liking.

Though, keep in mind; the more the % of extract, the higher the gunk ratio.

That being said, I almost want to run this one through some very fine filter paper.

Further testing of NET with CelluCotton.

Worked very well with RiverBottom's Pirate's and Fab & Burley. With Pirate's the sweetness was bumped up but so was the the flavor. May be bordering on too sweet, but for me delicious(er). F&B was mostly the same, but a little creamier and tastier. Not a big difference but I liked what it did.

The bigger and obvious change is in the performance of Dust's home-brew, Royal Cajun. It was a dirty birdy with the KGD cotton, and the flavor was effected for me in under a ml. With the rayon, a ml in and not getting any tell-tale gunk build-up flavor. No idea why this would be, but it's doing quite a bit better with a dirty NET than cotton so that's a pretty great win for rayon for my use.
I know this a complete armchair-chemist off-the-wall guess, but maybe the Rayon is wicking appropriate to the temperature output of the coils while being absorbent enough to not cause flooding? Again, just a guess, but perhaps the gunk is being absorbed into the wick's core itself rather than the coil?

Power survey.

I'm finding my homemade nets and Cavendish nets in general perform best at low power, I'm talking 8 watts. Anyone else experience this?

Indeed, at least on a fresh wick and clean coil. After gunking occurs, even taking it up to 13-15 watts seems to make literally no difference other than to tell me "clean this coil, or your juice is going to taste like carbon build-up and go to waste".

I loaded up Dust's home-brew, Royal Cajun, in a KGD wicked dripper last night to compare the flavor to the rayon. I'm getting a lot more mileage this time with the KDG than I did the first time, so the NET isn't as gunky as I first thought. Not sure why it gunked up so fast the first time; not shaking the bottle well, condition of coil, or some other factor.

So retracting the report of the gunkiness of Dust's home-brew, sorry Dust! Also not sure if the rayon is that much cleaner on coils than the KGD. Back to my normal state, which is, what the hell do I know anyways?

I'm going to have to look into rayon's actual properties through practical application and study to see what's going on.

I suspect my previous guess may have some merit, but it's all speculation on my part, at any rate.

Maybe cotton is literally so absorbent and flooding-prone that it gives the wick an excess of juice, which in turn coats the coil rather than applies heat directly to the wick, which may contribute to quicker gunking and diminished flavor?

As has been said, with cotton, "less is more", so perhaps a tiny difference in wick thickness could cause a signifcant change in the end vape?

Bill's (and Jerms') following posts here are good examples of why this may be; we're beta-testers after all, and vaping is far from perfected. Remember where we were just a few years ago, compared to now- device, e-liquid, and wick-wise.

Not going to quote the whole thing, as I've posted a big enough post already.

{snip}it does result in the occasional ....-kicking we get from a complex and elusive reality that leaves us scratching our heads, feeling foolish perhaps, and thinking, "what the hell do I know anyways?"

I think there's a mountain of 'fact' about different things with vaping that everyone repeats, myself included, that will turn out to be false. A lot of this stuff can be scientifically proven, it just hasn't been done yet, so in the mean time we make the best guesses available with the info we have. Later we can laugh at how far off we once were.

Indeed. We used to be alpha-testers, and now we're in the beta-test phase.

I guess you could say this is all "Early access" technology, lol.

Informed, well thought out opinions are the golden nuggets of this thread. Uninformed musings and statement of opinions as facts are the dregs.

This makes pefect sense.
Unfortunately, now I'm hungry for some chicken nuggets.
Mmm....golden nuggets...

Brobdingian, you're not the only one who can fill up a page in a thread with one post! :lol:

True that, and well thought out and excellent post there.

I might be overdoing it with this post, though. :facepalm:

I have another 10+ pages to catch up on and offer brief replies to, which is unusual for me.... not the "overdoing it, mind you", rather the catching-up bit.

On that note, I will end this massive post here.

More to follow... :D
 
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Apologies in advance for the short-quotes and snippets. You'll see why in a moment.;)



Sorry for not responding to Juicy's above comment. I don't want to stir things up.

What I will say is this; I think, in a way, it's a good thing.

Why is this?

Look at how many have been inspired to try their hand at mixing their own hand-crafted macerations and blends since the backlog occurred.

That is all I will say regarding this matter at the moment, however I will most definitely post in multicolored happiness when I have further updates regarding this. However, as usual, I have a back-up plan just in case that fails to materialize.

However, one can not dispute that sadness over a favorite becoming unavailable is rather disheartening.

However, this opens up a world up extracts, different vendors, and learning to us.

Let us take the downside, and turn it into an upside.

Brobingnagian, I cannot agree with you more. Turning vapers into folks that have intensified interests that lead to improving their vaping tools and trying different NETS, as well as trying their hand at extracting, is at the heart and sole of this thread! :toast:
 

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The consensus seems to be that RBFS St. James Parish is the pick of straight Perique litter. All the contenders pass muster, but RBFS St. James edges out the others on both clarity and subtlety of flavor. Brian does indeed know his way around an extraction.

Personally, I prefer two of my own home-extracted Virginia-Perique blends to straight Perique. Both are from Hearth & Home---Louisiana Red and Anniversary Kake from H&H's Signature series of pipe tobacco blends. Perique is typically used as a blending tobacco, as a player on a team rather than as a one-tobacco-show, and both the H&H VA-Per blend duos are wonderful examples of how well bright Virginia and swarthy Perique can sing together in harmony.

Thanks Bill. I'll address RBFS later. I too have tried my own macerations. The perique hasn't been satisfying as a stand alone vape. Absolutely nothing like the mouth watering inducing funkiness of GeJ N.P. However it makes a great vape when mixed with my Burley maceration. Unfortunately, they are the closest thing to smoking as I've ever had with a vape. That concerns me a bit. Not sure I'm actually avoiding the things I started vaping to avoid. Have you done any straight perique macerations?

For straight Perique, RBFS's St. James Parish is to me an amazing example of how wonderful that can be. Just judging it as a NET in general, it's one of my personal favorites. I've never had NETcom's to compare it to, and it's been too long since I've had Natural Perique from GeJ, but based on memory St. James is much better. Big Juicy has posted some great info comparing GeJ, NETcom, and RBFS Periques; may want to do a thread search.

Thanks for the suggestion Jerms. Do you mean "hairless" BJ? :) If i recall BJ didn't like GeJ N.P. as he found it too funky and feared chest hair. If RBFS is as mild as NET.com in the funky department, I'll pass. I'm looking for something closer to N.P. end of the spectrum.

House of Liquid has one. <---Link to Giantvapes for distribution here in the States.

Thanks MM. Have you tried it? What's your take?
 

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Jerms, you come here with a free afternoon to spend a couple hours and I will enroll you in a judging class. I guarantee you a great time and some fabulous Q.

Deal!

Thanks for the suggestion Jerms. Do you mean "hairless" BJ? :) If i recall BJ didn't like GeJ N.P. as he found it too funky and feared chest hair. If RBFS is as mild as NET.com in the funky department, I'll pass. I'm looking for something closer to N.P. end of the spectrum.

Lol, St. James may not have the funk levels you're looking for. I will say that after some steeping it's getting a solid funk to it, but it took some time. I can't compare it to the levels of NP because it's just been to long, but I'm pretty sure St. James doesn't reach the same level. Where my bottle is at now though after aging several months I find it to be a pretty funky juice (in the good way).
 

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Apologies in advance for the short-quotes and snippets. You'll see why in a moment.;)



I know someone has beat me to the punch by now, but Heather's Heavenly Vapes (HHV) almost fits the bill for this, as well.

There are a few synthetic/NET blends and straight synthetics there, as well.

HHV juices generally will benefit from a steep, but I have a few favorites that don't need it (generally).



That's the thing, though- they come "tightly wound" and "loosely wound" and in just straight pieces of wire.

I'd go for the tightly wound; closest thing to a microcoil I can think of.
:D


At least it's not burnt polyfill.

Ah, those weren't the days... :ohmy:



It seems stupid simple to use the stuff, excepting the resistance created at the screw-point. If they're screwless, there's no problem.

You also wouldn't need to microcoil with ribbon, but I've seen several videos of people doing exactly that.

I'd be happy with ribbon and ReadyXwick, because it would hopefully give enough distance between the wick and coil at intervals to avoid any accelerated carbon buildup while simultaneously allowing for some kind of interwick wicking to take place. :?:

I still really enjoy being able to clean the stuff with a blowtorch. Just, not while it's in an EVOD/PT head.

Those NR-R-NR wires; they'd be capable and practical for recoiling a dual-coil stacked like in the EVOD 2, correct?

I know standard kanthal would lead to a short in this instance (I burnt through a center post insulator and caused an instant short on cotton wick, that was not tasty), but at least I learned how to do a double-twisted 32GA loose microcoil through crimping and torching in the process.

Now I can use this on the KFL with a 1/32 or 1/16 bit to start the wrapping.

Since I only have the one RBA, it's become painfully obvious that I need more of them for "experimentation" purposes. :2cool:



Thanks for that. I'll try cellucotton or whatever you guys are calling it these days.
Cotton doesn't keep up with my chain vaping, and has a distinct funny taste when burned. Like popcorn mixed with dirty sock odor and burnt match scrapings, or something.



Maybe try stacking the coils on top of the material; sandwich it between them.

I can't handle the flavor of straight silica wicks these days, but maybe ekowool is a better candidate for this application?

I know you could torch readyXwick, but I'm not so sure about ekowool.

It supposedly has a higher maximum temperature rating, so boiling or spraying it down with scalding hot water might do the trick- I used to do this with my old kanger flavor wicks. If you're not careful, though, the wick will shred apart rather than get squeaky clean.

However, I can't remember the last time I actually used a flavor wick.

It has to have been months, if not almost a year.

Dual-coiling might necessitate one, but I have a feeling using a drillbit in-between the coils as a "spacer" might do the trick.

Lots of tension, center post/ground fiddling/cutting, more tension, remove bit, check resistance, dry burn, insert wick material into wicks. It may not work, but it will possibly reduce or eliminate the need for a center flavor wick.



Every HHV e-liquid I've tried has benefitted from a steep.

In certain instances it will reverse the tobacco flavor and accompanying flavoring, in others it will increase the tobacco flavor and balance out the adjunct, and still in others the tobacco will come to the forefront.

I haven't had Huntsman in a while, but I remember liking it way more than Dark Horse (grassy).

Still haven't tried Gaia.



So, a black & mild would be feasable.

Just remove that inner cardboard layer and the glued-to-the-mouthpiece part before you try and make an extract, because neither of those would likely add anything tasty to a maceration.

MIDDLE POST COMMENT
Acadian Gold is, supposedly, the way Perique is blended to be sold in a blend as intended. It may not be all perique, but is certainly a tasty and enjoyable way for perique to be blended.
I believe Burley is the adjunct.
END COMMENT



Sorry for not responding to Juicy's above comment. I don't want to stir things up.

What I will say is this; I think, in a way, it's a good thing.

Why is this?

Look at how many have been inspired to try their hand at mixing their own hand-crafted macerations and blends since the backlog occurred.

That is all I will say regarding this matter at the moment, however I will most definitely post in multicolored happiness when I have further updates regarding this. However, as usual, I have a back-up plan just in case that fails to materialize.

However, one can not dispute that sadness over a favorite becoming unavailable is rather disheartening.

However, this opens up a world up extracts, different vendors, and learning to us.

Let us take the downside, and turn it into an upside.

On this note, MyVapeJuice's Captain Black Royal is a completely different beast with X-X-Extract.

Batten down the hatches for some gunking, mateys, as you will notice this quite quickly.

I would highly recommend those that do not DIY extracts to get a bottle of extract accompanying any sort of bulk-sized order.

Get your favorite flavor's extract counterpart, and adjust to the level of your liking.

Though, keep in mind; the more the % of extract, the higher the gunk ratio.

That being said, I almost want to run this one through some very fine filter paper.


I know this a complete armchair-chemist off-the-wall guess, but maybe the Rayon is wicking appropriate to the temperature output of the coils while being absorbent enough to not cause flooding? Again, just a guess, but perhaps the gunk is being absorbed into the wick's core itself rather than the coil?



Indeed, at least on a fresh wick and clean coil. After gunking occurs, even taking it up to 13-15 watts seems to make literally no difference other than to tell me "clean this coil, or your juice is going to taste like carbon build-up and go to waste".



I'm going to have to look into rayon's actual properties through practical application and study to see what's going on.

I suspect my previous guess may have some merit, but it's all speculation on my part, at any rate.

Maybe cotton is literally so absorbent and flooding-prone that it gives the wick an excess of juice, which in turn coats the coil rather than applies heat directly to the wick, which may contribute to quicker gunking and diminished flavor?

As has been said, with cotton, "less is more", so perhaps a tiny difference in wick thickness could cause a signifcant change in the end vape?

Bill's (and Jerms') following posts here are good examples of why this may be; we're beta-testers after all, and vaping is far from perfected. Remember where we were just a few years ago, compared to now- device, e-liquid, and wick-wise.

Not going to quote the whole thing, as I've posted a big enough post already.





Indeed. We used to be alpha-testers, and now we're in the beta-test phase.

I guess you could say this is all "Early access" technology, lol.



This makes pefect sense.
Unfortunately, now I'm hungry for some chicken nuggets.
Mmm....golden nuggets...



True that, and well thought out and excellent post there.

I might be overdoing it with this post, though. :facepalm:

I have another 10+ pages to catch up on and offer brief replies to, which is unusual for me.... not the "overdoing it, mind you", rather the catching-up bit.

On that note, I will end this massive post here.

More to follow... :D

What you want to do next time is find The Complete Works of Marcel Proust, and just copy and paste 15 or 20 pages right into your post. That way no one will have any doubt that you're going for some kind of bandwidth record.
 

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Have you done any straight perique macerations?

No, Johni and Boomer both sent me straight 100% Perique extract in some of our home-extract swaps, so I felt no need to gild the lily and do a maceration myself. The idea of Perique is more intriguing to me than the actual taste of Perique, which I can take or leave.
 
I'm just wondering if anyone can share their experience using Genesis - style tanks with NETs...I'm considering getting a DID from fasttech, but since I really only vape NET liquids, I want to know that it will perform with those kinds of juices. I'm kinda tired of dripping and want something that I can load up and travel with. Thanks!
 

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I'm just wondering if anyone can share their experience using Genesis - style tanks with NETs...I'm considering getting a DID from fasttech, but since I really only vape NET liquids, I want to know that it will perform with those kinds of juices. I'm kinda tired of dripping and want something that I can load up and travel with. Thanks!

I don't have any experience with Genesis style tanks, but are you set on those instead of something like a Kayfun or a newer style of tank hardware? The only tank style rebuildable I'm familiar with is the Kayfun Lite, but it's pretty awesome and sounds to me much easier to work with and better performance than a genny. There's also no need to tilt with a KFL and it can be turned upside down without leaking, which I think are issues with gennies.
 

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What you want to do next time is find The Complete Works of Marcel Proust, and just copy and paste 15 or 20 pages right into your post. That way no one will have any doubt that you're going for some kind of bandwidth record.

:shock:

Just imagine, had I actually filled up another document with responses to the following pages, up to this point.

:lol::lol::lol:

That quote would have indeed, been brobdingnagian in proportions. It likely would have taken up an entire page between the post and the quote alone.

.......

Then I see this at the bottom of the page:

This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

We ought to change this to:

This part of the series has more than 600 pages.

Click here to review the synopsis, after you've finished the previous part: A Storm of NETs.
 
I don't have any experience with Genesis style tanks, but are you set on those instead of something like a Kayfun or a newer style of tank hardware? The only tank style rebuildable I'm familiar with is the Kayfun Lite, but it's pretty awesome and sounds to me much easier to work with and better performance than a genny. There's also no need to tilt with a KFL and it can be turned upside down without leaking, which I think are issues with gennies.

Yeah, I looked at the Kayfun Lite, but they're just so...big. I mean, am I really going to vape through 4.5ml of NET liquid before the wick and coil gunk up? My guess is probably not. The DID is 1.8ml which seems about right to me before i have to dry-burn the thing...
 

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I'm just wondering if anyone can share their experience using Genesis - style tanks with NETs...I'm considering getting a DID from fasttech, but since I really only vape NET liquids, I want to know that it will perform with those kinds of juices. I'm kinda tired of dripping and want something that I can load up and travel with. Thanks!
Paul, I tried gennys for portability for a while. Good flavor when set up perfectly but finicky, leaky, and the bottom half to one third of a tank got nasty from mixing with hot, unvaporized juice.

I love the flavor and ease of cleaning/rebuilding a dripper but don't have the time or patience to drip while I'm working so I use a Reo. Better flavor, far easier building, far less leaking, and much greater durability than a genny. When your wick needs wetting, just a little squeeze and you're back in business basically dripping from the bottom and no burnt backwash.
 
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