Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux
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I've also found that cleaning threads and contact points on a regular basis goes a long way. Another step is cleaning the air intake holes. Some times they get clogged and that can lead to leaking and strange tastes. NETs definitely require a little more maintenance. However, they are worth it for me. I do not vape anything else now. I've been vaping straight tobacco nets (no hybrids) for awhile and love it.
I ran in to something interesting. I ordered some 1.5ohm replacements for my Kanger tanks. I really like the lower ohm rating on my Evod battery. It gives a little over 9.1 watts. I switched the tank over to my MVP and it tasted like there was little or no flavor. I did all of the regular cleaning routines. Still I couldn't get a good taste from the MVP and it tasted like it was bordering on singing. So, I did some back and forth testing.
Here is what I noticed. The Evod's more airy pull seems to keep the juice and coils cooler. It also seems to allow for more flavor. The MVP seemed to be producing less vapor set to 3.7 volts or 9 watts than the Evod straight off of the charger. There was also the issue of less flavor. It seems like I really do like nets when they are pushed past 7.5 volts. It just depends on the device and the resultant air flow issues.
I know a few others have said they don't like nets going past 8 watts. So, maybe the issue is finding the right balance of power and air to keep the heat from killing the flavor. It would seem 9 watts isn't always the same even if it on the multi-meter.
Here is what I noticed. The Evod's more airy pull seems to keep the juice and coils cooler. It also seems to allow for more flavor. The MVP seemed to be producing less vapor set to 3.7 volts or 9 watts than the Evod straight off of the charger. There was also the issue of less flavor. It seems like I really do like nets when they are pushed past 7.5 volts. It just depends on the device and the resultant air flow issues.
I know a few others have said they don't like nets going past 8 watts. So, maybe the issue is finding the right balance of power and air to keep the heat from killing the flavor. It would seem 9 watts isn't always the same even if it on the multi-meter.
As I don't use cartos any more I can't testify to your findings. However, I have noticed marked differences when vaping different NETs with different wattages and heat levels. In other words, vaping say a Latakia blend at lower heat levels tends to bring out the nuances of the Latakia itself, vaping VaPers at warmer wattages seems to bring out the Virginia. In short, I can see why people like sticking to particular wattages to bring out the flavors that they lean towards.
So wait.. Juice safety is NOT more important in this thread than talking about rdas and cartos and how much air they provide??? Really?
Gawd this thread is irritating...
Gawd this thread is irritating...
Dude, deep breaths! Nobody said it was not important and information regarding safety has been shared on here before too, perhaps before your time.
Quick pop in...it has been, shoot, almost a week? I have to decide if I try to catch up or not. You freaks are...well...freaky. My kind of scum.
I never enforced anything. I am vehemently anti-enforcement, much to my own detriment at times. I probably did ..... about extended hardware discussion befoire though. I come here for talk specifically about NET. If a hardware discussion revolves around best performance with NET than I am all ears...however more than that and I quickly lose interest.
That's just me though. I am generally ok with the group conscience here.
I run contact microcoils, wrapped on a 1/16 drill bit. 26 or 28 gauge Kanthal or Nichrome, occasionally Rene 41, .6 to 1.0 Ω. Wicks are Koh Gen Do cotton and very little of it. Usually use two RDAs in a day, dryburn, clean and rewick each daily. This type of setup gets me through 3 mls of NETs on an RDA with little trouble, some NETs substantially more.
After almost 6 ml of Petner's Pipe, the KFL started to huff and puff, and pretty much said .. Enough!
Cleaned, fresh wick and loaded up with Poet and Scholar. It's soaking it in. Vape in 10 minutes.
I can't remember if I've vaped P&S before or not..
I think it was PDST and F&B that I've tried before.
Cleaned, fresh wick and loaded up with Poet and Scholar. It's soaking it in. Vape in 10 minutes.
I can't remember if I've vaped P&S before or not..
I think it was PDST and F&B that I've tried before.
Oh my, oh my. While I've been an infrequent poster here, I keep up with this thread and really appreciate you folks and your contributions to my new habit.
So I'm into my own mixing now and was fortunate enough to get my hands on several of Mr. Herbst's extracts. I am just now trying them but wanted to give a shout out to Bill for his Rocky Patel Autumn 2008 cigar and I just now mixed his H&H Louisiana Red. I'm doing a pretty standard 60/40 PG/VG with 15% nic and vaping on a Sigelei 20W with a KFL with Japanese cotton. My first mixes had very light menthol and EM but I'm thinking those days may be done. What a joy and better than the commercial NETs that I've tried IMOP. What a great way to get over a pretty stout Cigar habit for years.
I've got the Red going right now and it inspired me to write now. I plan on trying some extractions of my own and will share my experience down the road.
So thanks again to Bill,this community, and the NETwork.
So I'm into my own mixing now and was fortunate enough to get my hands on several of Mr. Herbst's extracts. I am just now trying them but wanted to give a shout out to Bill for his Rocky Patel Autumn 2008 cigar and I just now mixed his H&H Louisiana Red. I'm doing a pretty standard 60/40 PG/VG with 15% nic and vaping on a Sigelei 20W with a KFL with Japanese cotton. My first mixes had very light menthol and EM but I'm thinking those days may be done. What a joy and better than the commercial NETs that I've tried IMOP. What a great way to get over a pretty stout Cigar habit for years.
I've got the Red going right now and it inspired me to write now. I plan on trying some extractions of my own and will share my experience down the road.
So thanks again to Bill,this community, and the NETwork.
Sorry BJ,
I shouldn't have singled you out. I have have fond recollections of you (or someone), to my great appreciation, stepping in when people started waxing on, ad nausea, regarding the newest toy. Again, my appologies for drawing you in.
On the other issue. It is not that I don't think that issues of safety are not important. Nor was it my intent to stifle discussion of it. Important topics like safety and regulation do not deserve short shrift. However, In my opinion, such involved discussions/debates should have a thread of their own.
May I suggest the title of the thread be "Let's play Global Thermonuclear War."
When alls said and done I'm sure thats the simplest approach overall.
The biggest factor will be how gunky the NET, which varies widely. I use a simple compact micro to mini coil with 28ga Kanthal. I tried spaced out wraps, but I get much better performance with compact. I switched recently from KGD cotton to rayon, and get a little more run time.
There's many factors involved in coil gunking, but nothing that makes a huge difference IME. NETs gunk, some more than others. The best advice I can give is use your preferred set-up and find a way to make the rewicking/cleaning process as painless as possible.
Simplest, cheapest, easiest for me, and I haven't found anything better for flavor.
Ok, one last post on this topic, to perhaps illustrate that the issue is more relevant to this thread, than immediately apparent.
If not an authority on all things NET, this thread was at the very least a guideline for me. There are 39 different vendors listed in the first post of this thread. I have purchased from all but one listed in the " A tier ". Some have moved on to home extraction, but the majority still order from these vendors on a regular basis as well, i would imagine.
While i do care about transparency in this industry in general, and yes the issue does deserve a thread ( or more ) of it's own, i am also concerned ( more ) specifically about the vendors listed in this thread. I don't expect to ever order from Suicide Bunny or Space Jam for example.
We all assess risk differently and our tolerance for it varies as well. I don't expect everyone to share my exact concerns, and i don't expect a guarantee of harmlessness either, but at the very least i can ask questions from these vendors, and make future purchase decisions based on other factors in addition to taste and price. Perhaps we could exchange what we know about the safety protocol some of these vendors have in place as well. Some of you might have even seen this first-hand in some cases.
Just my two cents.
Yeah there's a consensus, we all agree that NETs gunk lol. Seriously though, what people use here for a set-up varies widely, no agreement on a best possible set-up for vaping NET. John and I use about the same set-up, and we're the most handsome here, so there's that..
Pat,
My initial reaction to the sample bottle of juice I mixed using the Rocky Patel Autumn 2008 cigar extract right after filtering was lukewarm at best, but two months of steeping have worked wonders. I won't use the hyperbolic term "miraculous," but it's darned close. Now I regard ithe RP Autumn 2008 as superb, as good in its own unique way as the RP Vintage 1990 Churchill. That makes two superlative extracts out of the trio of Rocky Patel cigars I've macerated, with the third (RP Renaissance Reserve) being a cut below the other two, but still a very tasty cigar NET.
This makes me immensely pleased to have eight more Rocky Patel cigars---each one different---stored in a ziploc baggie awaiting extraction. Something to look forward to down the road.
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