Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[Jerms]

It's incredibly good. I'm going to have to order a bigger bottle of it.

I know I'm still a newbie in the NET area, but compared to a lot of other vendors I have tried I am really impressed with W2V's liquids.

They don't get talked about too much these days, but W2V is one of the original NET vendors and worth checking out for NET fans who can handle dealing with a gunkier product. I really like their extract of the Drew Estate ACID Cold Infusion cigar (CI Cigar) and Pure Smoke which is like ECOpure with a smoky NET. Both are very unique flavors.

Their Signature (formerly called Vapenstein who co-created it) blends line has some real potent, super authentic tobaccos, but are also some of the gunkiest. Louisville and Paris are fantastic, but not worth the gunk for me. That line for me is somewhat obsolete, as other vendors now make potent tobaccos that aren't so unfriendly to coils, but their premium line has NETs I'll still order.

 

[billherbst]

My Sons of Anarchy by Black Crown and Paul Stulac Lord of Albany both got over heated in the maceration process. Well, that is nearly $20 (with shipping) gone.

Maybe, but maybe not. My maceration of a Rocky Patel Vintage 1990 Churchill was badly overheated at about 180° for an entire day of its five-day heat-assisted extraction, and I was sure it would be a total loss. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather after I filtered it and discovered the best-tasting cigar extract by far of the 11 cigars I've extracted. Yes, the Vintage 1990 should have been caramelized into burnt sugar, but it wasn't. Instead, the high heat apparently brought out much more of the complex flavors of that particular cigar. It was so good that all 100ml of the extract are now gone---either vaped or shared with my friends.

We just never know for sure until we see the proof of the pudding.

 

[MikeNice81]

Maybe, but maybe not. My maceration of a Rocky Patel Vintage 1990 Churchill was badly overheated at about 180° for an entire day of its five-day heat-assisted extraction, and I was sure it would be a total loss. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather after I filtered it and discovered the best-tasting cigar extract by far of the 11 cigars I've extracted. Yes, the Vintage 1990 should have been caramelized into burnt sugar, but it wasn't. Instead, the high heat apparently brought out much more of the complex flavors of that particular cigar. It was so good that all 100ml of the extract are now gone---either vaped or shared with my friends.

We just never know for sure until we see the proof of the pudding.

The SOA has gotten worse with steeping. I'm holding out hope that steeping might prove helpful.

 

[patioclark]

Maybe, but maybe not. My maceration of a Rocky Patel Vintage 1990 Churchill was badly overheated at about 180° for an entire day of its five-day heat-assisted extraction, and I was sure it would be a total loss. Well, you could have knocked me over with a feather after I filtered it and discovered the best-tasting cigar extract by far of the 11 cigars I've extracted. Yes, the Vintage 1990 should have been caramelized into burnt sugar, but it wasn't. Instead, the high heat apparently brought out much more of the complex flavors of that particular cigar. It was so good that all 100ml of the extract are now gone---either vaped or shared with my friends.

We just never know for sure until we see the proof of the pudding.

Bill's RP 1990 was probably my favorite NET from any source and I was lucky enough to enjoy a bit of that extract. All along, he shared that it was somewhat of an accident but it was so good that I'm thinking of overheating my extract when I finally do the couple of 1990's that I have in the humidor. I've just been doing 5 days in a warm crock pot (150 degrees). I think I'll try a few hours on low (180), let it cool for a day, and back on warm for a couple of days in my next batches. I'm sure there's a science to all of this but this is as close to being artistic as I might hope for considering the source (moi).

 

[rdsok]

Just as a quick, rather premature remark ( way to early to call this even a review )...

I just received my latest order from NET.com today... in it and probably the main reason for the order... I got Clay's tRY4.1 and I'm really glad I did. To say this is early is an understatement... I haven't even let it air out to let some of the alcohol used in the flavorings to evaporate ( and I think it needs to although others may not mind ) despite that... ( I didn't even let the new coil break in all of the way yet )

This is a deep dark bold and quite rich with flavor... it may even add pounds to ya... . The tobacco's are full and dark, I'd take a guess what they are but that is all it would be at this time. The caramel is also a dark flavored variety, very natural tasting and is just in front of the tobacco. The vanilla is smooth and is playing a nice supporting role that you'll need to look for a little, but it is certainly there. While it's easy to distinguish the flavors, they all blend together really well and work as a whole. Clay mentions on the site that the caramel and vanilla will fade a little to the background and I can imagine it will just make it better. The alcohol flavor I mentioned isn't bad... it's just an "odd guy out" sort of thing and doesn't quite fit with the rest of the flavors... since it'll evaporate out, I'm only mentioning it so others won't be surprised by it later.

 

[regal55]

My guess is that many of us go back and forth concerning coils and wicks. At least I do. Micro-coils, spaced coils, single/dual, fancy builds, with all the different wicking materials and various ways to wick. Uff da.

The general consensus around here seems to be that NETs taste best vaped in rebuildable drippers. While I agree with this and use both my Magmas, as well as various small-chamber bottom fed RBAs on bottom-feeders, I also appreciate clearos and tanks---Kayfuns being the industry standard, although many worthy challengers have appeared. While tanks such as the Aspire Nautilus with BVC coil heads may not be quite up to Kayfuns, Orchids, Erlkonigins, etc. in pure flavor, they sure are convenient.

Below all those are the lower-end clearos, most notably the many EVOD-style bottom-coil devices. Many of these use the ubiquitous Kanger-type coil heads that are so easily rebuilt. They're fine for dessert and fruit juices, but they just don't measure up for NETs. Since I have so many of these bottom-coil clearos (mainly the GS-series of dirt-cheap clones---H2, H3, and H5, since I never saw any real advantage in the much pricier ProTanks), the challenge for me is squeezing the best flavor and performance out of those clearos.

I played around for awhile with rebuilding Kanger heads as vertical coils. When done well, those are terrific, but the problem for me with building verticals is inconsistency. First off, a Kanger head vertical is sort of a pain to do, and it's a drag to finish one after ten minutes only to discover that the draw is unacceptably stiff or doesn't wick properly, which happens too often. Horizontal rebuilds are much easier and more consistent, but I wanted to a way to make them better.

My solution is to use a prebuilt coils/wicks from FastTech---50 for $3.50 or so, 1.5 ohm, 32-33 ga. NR-R-NR spaced coils. Yeah, they're Nichrome rather than Kanthal A-1, but who cares? I've never loved the fuss of winding coils and torching them. Too much trouble (your mileage may vary, of course). I prefer to grab a pre-built coil, strip out the silica wicks, and use Rayon instead. Boy oh boy, Rayon makes all the difference in the world! I can rebuild a Kanger EVOD horizontal coil head with a Rayon wick in about two minutes, slap it on a Twist or Vision Spinner clone battery, and the flavor and vapor production are 80-90% of the high-end devices. While I continue to use my Nautilus tanks, Kayfuns, Magmas, and other top-line RBAs/RTAs, I actually like vaping my homemade NETs on an H2 or H5 clearo that cost me less than two bucks and a mere 5¢ to re-coil.

I don't bother to dry-burn them or change out the wicks. Instead, I just build a brand-new head every week. Sometimes I rebuild Kanger heads whether or not they need it, just because I enjoy that two-minute rebuild. Man, there's nothing like a new coil with a fresh rayon wick to make me happy!

We've come a long way over the past couple of years. Homemade NETs and rebuildable atties have upped our game big-time. If the DNA-40 temperature regulation does indeed revolutionize vaping the way some people feel it will, that's all to the good. Concerns about prohibitive legislation and health issues notwithstanding, vaping has already raced forward from its infancy into its adolescence, and I for one am a very happy vaper.

I buy my coils premade also but for the KFL and Magma, you can custom order and they last for ever so the cost is nothing, the guy is really talented and sells on ebay.

 

[billherbst]

Just as a quick, rather premature remark ( way to early to call this even a review )...

I just received my latest order from NET.com today... in it and probably the main reason for the order... I got Clay's tRY4.1 and I'm really glad I did. To say this is early is an understatement... I haven't even let it air out to let some of the alcohol used in the flavorings to evaporate ( and I think it needs to although others may not mind ) despite that... ( I didn't even let the new coil break in all of the way yet )

This is a deep dark bold and quite rich with flavor... it may even add pounds to ya... . The tobacco's are full and dark, I'd take a guess what they are but that is all it would be at this time. The caramel is also a dark flavored variety, very natural tasting and is just in front of the tobacco. The vanilla is smooth and is playing a nice supporting role that you'll need to look for a little, but it is certainly there. While it's easy to distinguish the flavors, they all blend together really well and work as a whole. Clay mentions on the site that the caramel and vanilla will fade a little to the background and I can imagine it will just make it better. The alcohol flavor I mentioned isn't bad... it's just an "odd guy out" sort of thing and doesn't quite fit with the rest of the flavors... since it'll evaporate out, I'm only mentioning it so others won't be surprised by it later.

OK, Jerms, I'll add a repost of my own review of tRY4.1, which originally appeared in The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread back on September 5th:

RY4 review: tRY4.1 from N-E-T.com
Specs: The 15ml bottle of N-E-T.com tRY4.1 that Big Juicy sent me (thanks, BJ!) contains a transparent liquid, medium-caramel-colored, at 12mg nic strength in a 60PG/40VG base. Nose of the liquid offers a slight caramel aroma. Since the juice was shipped first to BJ and then to me, I figure it’s had at least the minimally-required steep time. Testing was done using a 2.9 ohm Ultimate CE2 clearo powered by a Buzz Pro VV set to 4.8 volts, for about 8.2 watts.

Here’s part of the description of tRY4.1 from its product page on the Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com web site, written by Clay, the rejuvenated owner and juicemaster of N-E-T.com:

"Our custom extracted tobaccos approach to the highly sought after RY4 flavor of caramel and vanilla-imbued tobacco. Often overheard will be some left wondering where the tobacco is supposed to come through, this is our answer to that eternal question with an eLiquid like RY4, "Wheres my 'bacco?!?" Vanilla is meant to remain a mild note around the periphery while the caramel remains at the forefront and I hope you'll agree that it splits the lion's share of flavor presented to your palate with the tobaccos used... 3 different tobaccos were extracted, then blended and tweaked until just right (in my estimation anyway with all natural Caramel and Vanilla flavors added during mixing to create a truly multi-layered RY4 experience."
​

An interesting phenomenon in RY4 Land is the relative diversity of flavor profiles. Classic RY4s tend to share a common flavor profile. While not identical, Classic RY4s all lean in the same direction in terms of overall taste. So, variation exists, but it's minor rather than major. By contrast, Custom RY4s are all over the map. The whole genre of Custom RY4 is in part defined by the an explosion of different flavor profiles. Sure, Custom RY4s all tend to use the Holy Trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla flavors, but somehow they often end up tasting very different from one another. Sometimes that’s because of the addition of other flavorings, and other times just because the three core flavors come in so many different variations that the combinations are endless and quite distinct.

Here’s the odd part: NET-based RY4s are, by definition, part of the Custom RY4 genre. The use of natural tobacco flavoring alone would rule them out of the Classic genre. The synthetic tobacco flavoring used in Classic RY4s is always balanced and unified with the caramel and vanilla, so that the tobacco doesn’t stand out. NET-based RY4s may be beautifully blended, but the tobacco is still an obvious presence. And yet, I’m beginning to notice that, as a group, NET-based RY4s---especially those made with macerated extracts---tend to taste more similar than different, even though they are part of the Custom genre, where anything goes and often does.

N.E.T tRY4.1 is, to my palate, a delicious natural tobacco RY4---authentic tobaccos (three of them, according to the description), yummy caramel, and soft vanilla. And guess what? tRY4.1 is surprisingly close in overall flavor to numerous other NET-based RY4s, such as MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4, KillerJuice RY4, QuickNic ouR whY qu4tro, RiverBottomFogSauce KillR Y4, and my own DIY NET version called Burley Kake RY4, made from my homemade macerated extract of Hearth&Home Burley Kake retail pipe tobacco. Now, it’s probably unfair and slightly narcissistic of me to include my own NET-based DIY RY4 in this group, since only myself and Big Juicy have vaped it, but I’m sure that BJ would echo my opinion, namely, that my Burley Kake RY4 tastes remarkably similar to Clay’s tRY4.1. Are they identical? No, Clay’s version uses three tobaccos rather than one and probably different caramel and vanilla flavorings, and the proportions of each element in the recipe are likely to be different as well. Nonetheless, the two RY4s are similar. Heck, all the macerated NET-based RY4s are similar.

RY4s made using macerated natural tobacco extracts share a common element in the softness of their flavor profiles. Even though the tobacco flavor is often more dominant, the overall taste is not in any way hard. Instead, it’s softer than in many Custom RY4s, sort of “fuzzy around the edges.” The NET-based RY4 I reviewed yesterday---Indigo Naturally RY---uses Tobacco Absolute rather than macerated extract (I think), and has a taste that’s harder and more compressed. That punchier flavor is generally the case with TA-based RY4s. In the retail juice marketplace, literally hundreds of tobacco juices are made with at least a little TA added, while some use it more boldly. The essential character of TA is more potent and focused than macerated tobacco extracts.

All the NET-based Custom RY4s made with macerated extracts that I listed a couple paragraphs above, plus others I didn’t list, are more similar than different. All of them get high marks from me. Am I biased? Of course. But so is everyone else, so take any review with a grain of salt.

If you appreciate the taste of natural tobacco and like NET-based RY4s that use macerated extract flavoring, you’re in luck again, as N-E-T tRY4.1 is a delicious addition to the growing list of NET-based RY4s. On the other hand, if you’re a diehard Classic RY4 fan or a vaper who prefers synthetic-tobacco-based Custom RY4s (of which hundreds exist in the retail marketplace), then move right along, because there’s nothing here for you.

N-E-T.com tRY4.1 grade: B+
link to purchase: tRY4.1 from N.E.T.com

 

[Smocian257]

Heat maceration taste test

C1 series 50/50 pg/vg , 8 pipe blends , 2 ryo's and one blend of captain black with a generic black cavendish at a 50/50 ratio of concentrate.

I ran 7 flavors for taste tests among some friends and decided to call it in.

3 bottles of each flavor mixed at 20%, the first bottle was concentrate pulled immediately after the heat maceration (no extra time) , one bottle was made of concentrate that had been allowed to sit at room temperature for one week after the initial heating, final bottle 2 weeks.

the captain black / black cavendish had 4/5 of volunteers choose the 2 week hands down. One volunteer couldn't decide between the 2 and 1 week.

Imported whiskey - (imported + domestic tobaccos and scottish whiskey) 4 chose the 2 week maceration and one person prefferd the concentrate that had been pulled immediately after heating.

baja blend - (burley and virginia with green river black cavendish) - completely inverted! , some extra folks walked into the b&m and took part, 5 participants chose the baja that had not been left any longer than the initial 24 hour heating. 2 chose the 2 week, no one prefferd the 1 week.

captain black - one preferred no time, one preferred one week and 3 chose the 2 week.

Prescott valley vanilla- (burley and virginia with black cavendish) , 5/5 chose the 2 week.

Ryo1 - 2 chose 1 week, 3 chose 2 week.

ryo2 - another outlier, 3 chose the 1 week, one chose 2 week, one chose no extra time (heat only)

I had freshly ground coffee in a jar for the volunteers to sniff in between tasting, testing was done with participants blind to the age of what they tasted, using mech mods running duel coils at .3 ohm with japanese cotton.

I saw enough preference with the pipe tobaccos for 2 weeks to conclude that this should serve as a decent baseline (IMO) for heat maceration. I left a number of sample bottles with the shopkeep and mixed the remaining 0 day and 7 day samples back into the main batch of concentrate (which I am now micron filtering, before testing I had simply ran it through an aeropress)

A note on that, I have 2.5 micron and 10 micron, I should have used the 10 first and then the 2.5, the filtering is down to a drop every 5 seconds on some of these. The hand pump I purchased in basically useless, If anyone knows how to setup a buchner funnel and flask with a vacuum pump machine pm me.

I'll probably get to the PGA extracts next week (taste test wise, the concentrates are in my freezer), I also started 2 more batches last week, series D1, one set of 6 will be

left in the slow cooker for 6 hours allowed to cool to room temperature and then put back

for another 6 hours, the second set 12 hours straight, these will then be allowed to steap

at room temperature. 1 oz tobacco mixed with 100ml pg (per boomerdudes

recommendation...actually he said 80 but I round up) We have

sedona - golden virginias, rich burleys and smooth black cavendish with creamy vanilla

bisbee - vanilla burley, virginia and green river tobaccos

black velvet - fire cured cavendish, with vanilla, chocolate and whiskey

prickley pear - aged american burley, flue cured virginias topped with cognac

the prescott valley vanilla and

the baja blend

~Signing off~

Nanu Nanu

Post Script : I'm waiting on a large shipment of bottles but if anyones interested in trying one of these just let me know.

 

[boomerdude]

Those of us that have been extracting pipe and cigar tobacco's for quite a while would, I think, tell you that only time will get you taste. A good long steep gets the most out of an extract. You seem to be going through a lot of time and expense to prove what some of us told you when you started posting in the extract forums. Now I understand that you are doing this for your own satisfaction and that's all well and good but at the end of the day your just preaching to the choir.

 

[rdsok]

billherbst,

Thanks for reposting your review of tRY4.1 ... that saves me some time looking it up again and helps the others that don't read back or search on threads about an e-liquid.

I did have one issue when vaping this one... For the last couple of years I haven't been vaping anything but NET's after my initial sampling of the other non-tobacco flavors. It wasn't that I didn't like the taste of the other flavors, I just wasn't drawn to them much and was focused on finding something to satisfy my tobacco habit instead.

This NET.com order will address that lack of the sweeter vapes to some extent. The tRY4.1 had me wanting to use terms like "decadent" not so much because I felt it was... but because I hadn't had many sweet vapes recently making it just appear that way to me more. I suspect the other 4 vapes I got from Clay will also have me trying to overstate their "d" values... lol.

BTW... This morning I'm already noticing less of the alcohol flavor that I mentioned now that it's sat overnight and aired a bit... The first tank is almost gone now and I've had the bottle setting open all night... it probably needs a few shake and air out rotations to clear it out completely...

 

[NotSoMini]

Thanks to all of you that gave reviews/comments on Clay’s tRY4.1. I received an order yesterday in the mail which included tRY4.1. This will be my first time trying any type of a RY4 and am looking forward to it.

 

[Influence]

Heat maceration taste test

A question that is certainly obvious for you, when you say you macerate for 1 or 2 weeks at room temperature after the usual heat process, are you talking about a cold maceration (1 or 2 weeks) with tobaccos still in the jar then filtering or is it steeping for 1 or 2 weeks without the tobaccos ?

 

[Smocian257]

A question that is certainly obvious for you, when you say you macerate for 1 or 2 weeks at room temperature after the usual heat process, are you talking about a cold maceration (1 or 2 weeks) with tobaccos still in the jar then filtering or is it steeping for 1 or 2 weeks without the tobaccos ?

Tobacco still in the jar. Wanted to verify for myself that "more" than the initial heating was needed.

 

[Kataphraktos]

They don't get talked about too much these days, but W2V is one of the original NET vendors and worth checking out for NET fans who can handle dealing with a gunkier product. I really like their extract of the Drew Estate ACID Cold Infusion cigar (CI Cigar) and Pure Smoke which is like ECOpure with a smoky NET. Both are very unique flavors.

Their Signature (formerly called Vapenstein who co-created it) blends line has some real potent, super authentic tobaccos, but are also some of the gunkiest. Louisville and Paris are fantastic, but not worth the gunk for me. That line for me is somewhat obsolete, as other vendors now make potent tobaccos that aren't so unfriendly to coils, but their premium line has NETs I'll still order.

For anyone who finds their juices too harsh, let them rest for at least 6 weeks. I hated all of the W2V juices except CI Cigar when I first got them, now they have mellowed and smoothed out tremendously after about 2 months.

 

[MFToms59]

Nice to know, I think I have a DE Tabak waiting to be macerated, I'll start it and my Kuba Kuba tomorrow night.

No DE Tabak in the stash, it will be the Isla del Sol by Drew Estate instead, from Cigar.com; Isla del Sol contains a mix of Nicaraguan tobaccos wrapped with a beautiful Sumatra leaf. This blend is then infused with Sumatran Mandheling Bean Coffee, creating a rich complexity that offers hints of cocoa, espresso, and sweetness to the lips. The aroma is excellent and will fail to offend any individual who is not a cigar enthusiast. This blend is for the aficionado who prefers premium, sweet cigars with a mild finish.

 

[AnthonyB]

Bronze hasn't posted here in a looong time. Anthony still posts, but he's pretty busy these days. Not sure why Mann disappeared, but I wonder if he vapes NET at all anymore?

Hey guys and gals,

If I am the Anthony you are referring to (I hope I am!), I am still here and still passively reading. Most my time has been while sitting on the train so long detailed posts are impossible. This thread is the only one I make time for. I enjoy NETs, the calibre of personnel and the management of the channel. Besides that, I only have time for one thread and spending that time on this one is quality time spent indeed.


I put in an order with MVJ recently to take advantage of the new extraction method and the 20% discount offered a few weeks ago. It should arrive any day. I am going to try to make time to review some of these.

Diane is an absolute gem of a lady to deal with especially given her recent shoulder and arm injury.

I have been thoroughly enjoying the Sutliff Westminster from my previous order and am pleased I included three more Sutliff extracts in my new order.

My new order consists of about 60% pipes and 40% cigars which is a big change for me being typically a cigar extract lover. I have relied upon the advice given by Dusty, Mike and others on my selections.

Finally, I think my cigar extractions are finally coming good.


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[checkum]

Hey guys and gals,

If I am the Anthony you are referring to (I hope I am!), I am still here and still passively reading. Most my time has been while sitting on the train so long detailed posts are impossible. This thread is the only one I make time for. I enjoy NETs, the calibre of personnel and the management of the channel. Besides that, I only have time for one thread and spending that time on this one is quality time spent indeed.

I put in an order with MVJ recently to take advantage of the new extraction method and the 20% discount offered a few weeks ago. It should arrive any day. I am going to try to make time to review some of these.

Diane is an absolute gem of a lady to deal with especially given her recent shoulder and arm injury.

I have been thoroughly enjoying the Sutliff Westminster from my previous order and am pleased I included three more Sutliff extracts in my new order.

My new order consists of about 60% pipes and 40% cigars which is a big change for me being typically a cigar extract lover. I have relied upon the advice given by Dusty, Mike and others on my selections.

Finally, I think my cigar extractions are finally coming good.


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I agree with you on the great taste of Westminster! I also am enjoying Mavrodaphine, Capitol stairs, Sasieni, Artisan's, and Meat Pie, all in 100%VG, while I await the macerations I began last week at room temperature

 

[MikeNice81]

I agree with you on the great taste of Westminster! I also am enjoying Mavrodaphine, Capitol stairs, Sasieni, Artisan's, and Meat Pie, all in 100%VG, while I await the macerations I began last week at room temperature

Meat Pie is an awesome English blend. I find it definitely thick and hearty. It is a very comforting vape during the colder days. Balkan is also a great blend. It is a nice walking in the woods vape. Just go sit on a rock and watch the leaves drift off the trees. That is when Balkan comes alive.

I am also really enjoying Borkum Riff's Bourbon Whiskey. It starts out light and woodsy, almost like the bright notes from the cork in a bottle of Wild Turkey. As the wick and coil get some age it gets darker and brings out the lower end of the flavor spectrum. It is a pretty masculinevape, but it isn't overly powering. It doesn't blow your socks off, but still disappears fast. A very solid workhorse vape.

 

[sstarrx3]

Finally got around to trying HHV tobaccos. Have to say I am not a happy camper! Legend 's honey flavor is just too much! Heavenly Army to me tastes like mold smells. I got the small bottles and will let them steep for awhile, but unless they get allot better they will be deep sixed! Really disappointed. As much as people like these, I cant believe my taste buds are repulsed. I have been vaping since June and so far the only tobacco flavors I like are from Johnson Creek. As much as I like those, my taste buds get bored after awhile and I need to change it up. I just cant find a vendor that my taste buds can tolerate. Maybe I will try High Brow next, but I am starting to get frustrated with spending money on e liquid that I cannot tolerate. I wished other companies were like Johnson Creek and would let you return e juice that you do not like.

 

[Jerms]

Finally got around to trying HHV tobaccos. Have to say I am not a happy camper! Legend 's honey flavor is just too much! Heavenly Army to me tastes like mold smells. I got the small bottles and will let them steep for awhile, but unless they get allot better they will be deep sixed! Really disappointed. As much as people like these, I cant believe my taste buds are repulsed. I have been vaping since June and so far the only tobacco flavors I like are from Johnson Creek. As much as I like those, my taste buds get bored after awhile and I need to change it up. I just cant find a vendor that my taste buds can tolerate. Maybe I will try High Brow next, but I am starting to get frustrated with spending money on e liquid that I cannot tolerate. I wished other companies were like Johnson Creek and would let you return e juice that you do not like.

For every popular juice vendor, there will be some people that love them and some that hate them. That's why it's suggested to stick to small orders and sample packs when trying new vendors for new vapers who don't know their preferences yet. Especially in your case if you've only liked one vendor you've tried.

Some people really struggle finding vapes that work for them, and it takes a while to find a selection of vendors they like. That wasn't the case for me. I was immediately impressed by the flavor experience offered by vaping. The cheapo pre-filled cartos in my first starter pack was like.. oooh chocolate! Wow coffee! Cherry, nice! So it's been more a fun adventure in flavor-land for me than a struggle.

The NETs discussed in this thread seem to work for two types of vapers; ones like me who the flavor experience is an adventure, or those who really need an authentic tobacco experience. NETs are made from organic plant matter so a picky vaper may find them out of their comfort zone, unless the flavors offered from real tobacco extracted happen to work for them.

If you list what other tobaccos you've tried and the reason you didn't like them, or can name what exactly your looking for in a tobacco vape, we may be able to give suggestions. Since Johnson's Creek is the only vendor you've liked though, you may be better off with synthetic tobacco flavors.