Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[AnthonyB]

This is why I would have been interested to hear more about how you experience the difference between Walker's as is, and Walker's + pg.

For the record I am not exactly a newcomer to vaping, thankfully got off the stinkies in May 2013 (so compared to many not exactly a veteran either). I know the general maxim, but since Ken extracts in pure VG I don't think the rule of thumb is necessarily relevant. The added PG is in this case a diluent, but might well bring out other notes in the liquids. I like their subtle and nuanced quality as they come, and personally I prefer heavy VG for general vaping experience, but I do feel that some of Walker's liquids come out a bit sweeter than I would like due to the heavy VG. Just curious as to whether the PG makes them "brighter," which is not something I would seek, but which others might.

Hey Loulou,

One of my major impressions was with Walkers La Gloria Habana. As it is, in its finished product form, I found it muddled, pungent without any real definition or nuance. When I say pungent, I don't mean full of flavour. That wouldn't be so bad. What I mean is that it is in your face with no real flavour profile, just a diffuse sweetness with a tobacco presence.

I added PG to it diluting it to 50% Wt liquid and 50% flavourless PG. I found that the juice blossomed. The impact was toned down a bit and the creaminess, nutmeg and spice of the La Gloria came to the fore. I've had a La Gloria extract from another vendor which was subtle and underwhelming as a base for comparison and my PG diluted Walkers La Gloria was superior.

However, in it's pre-diluted extract form I would have favored the other vendors version.

I suggest trialing it with a small batch so you don't put your bottle at risk if you don't have the same outcome as me. Perhaps try 3 mls of liquid and dilute with 3-4 mls of PG at the same nic level of the WT liquid so you retain your ideal nic level. Let it steep for a few days.

Id be interested in hearing your findings.


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[Jerms]

I wanted something new to vape today, so I cracked open Country Gentleman extracted and mixed by Johni. I had completely forgotten what the +1 is in this VA/Per blend, so looked it up and see it's dark-fired Kentucky. Oh no! My experience with fire cured Burley NETs is they often lose their spark with age, and this was mixed at least a few months ago. If I'd remembered that I would have started it much sooner. Luckily, my first impression is that it's spectacular!

Made by Missouri Meerschuam, Country Gentleman is a non-aromatic (no added flavors) pipe tobacco containing bright and red Virginias, Perique, and the dark-fired Kentucky. The two Virginias are the biggest player, with lighter but still noticeable Perique adding a little sourness. The fire cured leaf adds a touch of smoky, spicy bite.

I just started vaping this, but it's love at first vape! I'm sure I'll have more to say about this home brew as I continue reaching for it.

 

[checkum]

I wanted something new to vape today, so I cracked open Country Gentleman extracted and mixed by Johni. I had completely forgotten what the +1 is in this VA/Per blend, so looked it up and see it's dark-fired Kentucky. Oh no! My experience with fire cured Burley NETs is they often lose their spark with age, and this was mixed at least a few months ago. If I'd remembered that I would have started it much sooner. Luckily, my first impression is that it's spectacular!

Made by Missouri Meerschuam, Country Gentleman is a non-aromatic (no added flavors) pipe tobacco containing bright and red Virginias, Perique, and the dark-fired Kentucky. The two Virginias are the biggest player, with lighter but still noticeable Perique adding a little sourness. The fire cured leaf adds a touch of smoky, spicy bite.

I just started vaping this, but it's love at first vape! I'm sure I'll have more to say about this home brew as I continue reaching for it.

Jerms,I can't agree with you more. That extract from Johni was fabulous. I plan to extract it in the future, only I can't use the PG due to an allergic reaction to PG

 

[Ohio Points]

I've been hearing good things about the Cult cigars and their quality. If you like cherry aromatics it should probably turn out pretty darn good.

I sure hope so, it really does smell awesome, I picked it because the reviews stated it was NOT like the cough syrup taste of many other cherry pipe tobaccos...plus there is some sweet chocolate in there as well, be more than happy to send you some extract when it's ready if you're interested Mike.

I wanted something new to vape today, so I cracked open Country Gentleman extracted and mixed by Johni. I had completely forgotten what the +1 is in this VA/Per blend, so looked it up and see it's dark-fired Kentucky. Oh no! My experience with fire cured Burley NETs is they often lose their spark with age, and this was mixed at least a few months ago. If I'd remembered that I would have started it much sooner. Luckily, my first impression is that it's spectacular!

Made by Missouri Meerschuam, Country Gentleman is a non-aromatic (no added flavors) pipe tobacco containing bright and red Virginias, Perique, and the dark-fired Kentucky. The two Virginias are the biggest player, with lighter but still noticeable Perique adding a little sourness. The fire cured leaf adds a touch of smoky, spicy bite.

I just started vaping this, but it's love at first vape! I'm sure I'll have more to say about this home brew as I continue reaching for it.

For sure! I also received an extract of Country Gentlemen from Johni, certainly a fine, fine vape...the extract and juice were both a nice clear, coffee brown and very flavorful at 20%, it's not as complex tasting to me as you describe, but mine hasn't steeped/aged for nearly as long either.

 

[boomerdude]

So, Anthony, how come you get something named after you while the rest of us can go fish?

$16.42 Anthony W-06 Top Coil Clearomizer (2-Pack) - 3.0ml / 1.5ohm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Top coil Octopus. Really?

 

[67Tele]

Afternoon All
I wanted to give some props to Clay at NET. I emailed him at 12:50 asking for suggestions for a blend flavor I'm looking for. He replied 10 minutes later with a fairly detailed response as to which types to look for and why.

My order:
NS Dark
Izmir/Oriental
Red Virginia
the Minister
N-E-T Custom Smoked Leaf
Gypsy Brunes

Wonderful service!

 

[AnthonyB]

So, Anthony, how come you get something named after you while the rest of us can go fish?

$16.42 Anthony W-06 Top Coil Clearomizer (2-Pack) - 3.0ml / 1.5ohm at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping

Top coil Octopus. Really?

I am disappointed, they missed the B in anthonyB and they used it on a defunct top coil clearomizer no less. Damn Fasttech can be so vague sometimes :0


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[MikeNice81]

I sure hope so, it really does smell awesome, I picked it because the reviews stated it was NOT like the cough syrup taste of many other cherry pipe tobaccos...plus there is some sweet chocolate in there as well, be more than happy to send you some extract when it's ready if you're interested Mike.

I appreciate the offer, but I have so much juice sitting around it would probably be seven or eight months before I tried it. Between all the juice I have on hand and the busy work schedule (six months ago they were talking about cutting our department and now I work at least eight hours of overtime every week) I haven't had time to fill some promised PIFs. Until I get caught up, I wouldn't feel right accepting anything.

 

[NotSoMini]

A couple of quick reviews from my perspective.

NET.com Red, White and Blueberry – I really like blueberries and this is my first blueberry blend eliquid that I have purchased. With a short steep I found the blueberries did overtake the tobacco. I then let it steep for a good month and found that the tobacco came through which I preferred. This is my first time (I think) trying White Burley and for sure Red Virginia. I definitely enjoyed the natural blueberries along with the White Burley and Red Virginia.

NET.com custom Burley Blast – Clay took a chance and sent me a sample of Burley Blast as I am very hard to please when it comes to Burley. Burley Blast did the trick for me. The “bite” did not overpower and I find this to be a very pleasant eliquid that deserves a spot in my rotation.

EV Confederate - This is not meant to be a negative against EV Confederate so please don’t read into it. I don’t know if this has ever happened to you that you like an eliquid enough to re-order it and then it doesn’t taste good. I am hoping my taste is absent because the most recent bottle I received that has steeped for approximately one month is off for me. This is the one EV eliquid that I always highly tout. I am going to let this one steep longer or let my taste buds heal whichever comes first.

 

[NotSoMini]

P.S. I am little slow and the name Red, White and Blueberry finally clicked for me: Red(Virginia), White (Burley) and Blueberry. Very clever IMO.

 

[boomerdude]

You know, I got a large bottle of Confederate Plus on the recommendation of several folks who's judgement I trust. I've had it for about a month and gave it every chance. RBA, Magma, Kayfun and HH357, I vaped it fresh and once a week for the past month. I was left wondering what the rave was about. It was just a really tasteless liquid that even straight PG would be more flavorful, and this was with extra flavor!

EV Confederate - This is not meant to be a negative against EV Confederate so please don’t read into it. I don’t know if this has ever happened to you that you like an eliquid enough to re-order it and then it doesn’t taste good. I am hoping my taste is absent because the most recent bottle I received that has steeped for approximately one month is off for me. This is the one EV eliquid that I always highly tout. I am going to let this one steep longer or let my taste buds heal whichever comes first.

 

[Influence]

Got my order from Vash today, took less than a week to have them delivered in France. So I think normally the international shipping will be operational soon

Ordered 7 tobaccos + the apple pearadise, Confederate is the one that I've choose in 52ml others in 32, also following the recommendations and my taste. I'm vaping it for 3 hours now on a Magma with new Ko Gen Do. Can't put it down, I'm chainvaping it like a chimp. Fantastic stuff. Bold, complex, versatile and tasty pure tobacco juice. Quite dry and not really sweet, well balanced.

NotSoMini and Boomer you definitely didn't get the same.

 

[rodsky77]

Hi all,

I put in a request to join the WT Facebook group 2 days ago and haven't heard back. Is it tough to join the group or no one has gotten around to approving my request?

Thanks.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

So, I finally managed to get my P&T order in. I figure anyone else extracting similar may want to swap down the line, because I'm good to mix excepting the actual extract at the moment. Secondary flavors are...well, secondary.

Here's what I'm going for:

Newminster No. 9 Creamy Vanilla

McClelland No. 2050 Oriental Cavendish

Pipe.. Cut Above the Rest (assorted sampler)-

"2 oz. each of Newminster’s Denmark and Norway blends, and Virginia, Amsterdam and Turkish from Peter Stokkebye."

Sutliff Private Stock Balkan Luxury Blend

Hearth & Home Signature Frenchy's Sunza.......

I went a little bit all over the place, but I made sure I got at least a few blends with tobaccos I've enjoyed.... and some things that I think will be pleasant surprises; I don't foresee any major problems. Messing it up, I mean; it's like brewing tea.

My greater risk? Spilling it while I'm trying to transfer it from one container to the other.

However, that's what I bought a bunch of pointy things designed to pick up liquid for. This syringe is abnormally large (it's a 100ml syringe, I'd be surprised if it wasn't) and looks like something a cartoon character would be utilizing, rather than as an implement for everyday use.

I just need to find a liter syringe, and mount it on the wall just to shock people at the sheer fact that such a ridiculous thing exists. I've often heard the local saying go, "If there's a market for it, people will sell it." While this may be true for other commodities and items...

I can only manage picture a liter syringe being utilized as an entertaining practical joke for those in the medical community.


At any rate, I'm going for straight coffee filtering. I have glass coffee presses around [well, they're not mine, but they are just stationary and unused for the time being] , but there'd be a fight if I tried utilizing one for tobacco.

I'm thinking MacGuyvering a solution might work. After all, this is a 100ml syringe.

I think both solutions are similar in principle, with the [coffee press] working to "squeeze" the liquid out of the tobacco, while feeding liquid through a 100ml syringe would practically be the same thing, but backwards.

Next, I'm going to find out the diameter of some filter papers. They probably aren't going to be the same, but cutting them down to size is an option.

I'll update these results on the extraction thread (Which I think I'm subbed to. Need to double-check) and try to let you guys know the results of my experiments. In the meantime, I'm going to do a little bit of research on what temperature I can safely get tobacco extracts to without caramelization of sugars in the leaf- which I know is going to be leaf-dependent amongst a bunch of other factors.

P&T's website hit me with so much variety, that I spent more time removing things from my cart than adding them.

Catch you soon, folks. OP. scheduled at beginning of next month, so after that I'll be down and out for a little while. 'Cept tapatalk. I'll post before that, of course.

That's all for now. Catch ya later.

 

[NotSoMini]

I certainly am one of the guilty parties and I do apologize for this. For myself I purchased 30 mls plus 10 mls more for my free sample. If I am not mistaken, I believe Vash mixes all of his stuff at 50% PG / 50% VG but don’t take my word for it as I have certainly been wrong before.

You know, I got a large bottle of Confederate Plus on the recommendation of several folks who's judgement I trust. I've had it for about a month and gave it every chance. RBA, Magma, Kayfun and HH357, I vaped it fresh and once a week for the past month. I was left wondering what the rave was about. It was just a really tasteless liquid that even straight PG would be more flavorful, and this was with extra flavor!

I understand exactly what you are saying. I felt I was addicted to Confederate where I just couldn’t put it down however not the case today.

Ordered 7 tobaccos + the apple pearadise, Confederate is the one that I've choose in 52ml others in 32, also following the recommendations and my taste. I'm vaping it for 3 hours now on a Magma with new Ko Gen Do. Can't put it down, I'm chainvaping it like a chimp. Fantastic stuff. Bold, complex, versatile and tasty pure tobacco juice. Quite dry and not really sweet, well balanced.

 

[Jerms]

I understand exactly what you are saying. I felt I was addicted to Confederate where I just couldn’t put it down however not the case today.

Sometimes a vape that I love just doesn't work for me at times for whatever reason. I can tell within a few vapes if I need to switch to a different flavor so I don't waste juice when I'm not vibing with it.

Last time I vaped Admiral's Pipe from RBFS, a NET I really like, I found it pretty meh. I thought maybe it was passed it's steeping prime, but just dripped some now and it's slammin'. The chocolatey note is especially tasty right now.

 

[Smocian257]

So, I finally managed to get my P&T order in. I figure anyone else extracting similar may want to swap down the line, because I'm good to mix excepting the actual extract at the moment. Secondary flavors are...well, secondary.

Here's what I'm going for:

Newminster No. 9 Creamy Vanilla

McClelland No. 2050 Oriental Cavendish

Pipe.. Cut Above the Rest (assorted sampler)-

"2 oz. each of Newminster’s Denmark and Norway blends, and Virginia, Amsterdam and Turkish from Peter Stokkebye."

Sutliff Private Stock Balkan Luxury Blend

Hearth & Home Signature Frenchy's Sunza.......

I went a little bit all over the place, but I made sure I got at least a few blends with tobaccos I've enjoyed.... and some things that I think will be pleasant surprises; I don't foresee any major problems. Messing it up, I mean; it's like brewing tea.

My greater risk? Spilling it while I'm trying to transfer it from one container to the other.

However, that's what I bought a bunch of pointy things designed to pick up liquid for. This syringe is abnormally large (it's a 100ml syringe, I'd be surprised if it wasn't) and looks like something a cartoon character would be utilizing, rather than as an implement for everyday use.

I just need to find a liter syringe, and mount it on the wall just to shock people at the sheer fact that such a ridiculous thing exists. I've often heard the local saying go, "If there's a market for it, people will sell it." While this may be true for other commodities and items...

I can only manage picture a liter syringe being utilized as an entertaining practical joke for those in the medical community.


At any rate, I'm going for straight coffee filtering. I have glass coffee presses around [well, they're not mine, but they are just stationary and unused for the time being] , but there'd be a fight if I tried utilizing one for tobacco.

I'm thinking MacGuyvering a solution might work. After all, this is a 100ml syringe.

I think both solutions are similar in principle, with the [coffee press] working to "squeeze" the liquid out of the tobacco, while feeding liquid through a 100ml syringe would practically be the same thing, but backwards.

Next, I'm going to find out the diameter of some filter papers. They probably aren't going to be the same, but cutting them down to size is an option.

I'll update these results on the extraction thread (Which I think I'm subbed to. Need to double-check) and try to let you guys know the results of my experiments. In the meantime, I'm going to do a little bit of research on what temperature I can safely get tobacco extracts to without caramelization of sugars in the leaf- which I know is going to be leaf-dependent amongst a bunch of other factors.

P&T's website hit me with so much variety, that I spent more time removing things from my cart than adding them.

Catch you soon, folks. OP. scheduled at beginning of next month, so after that I'll be down and out for a little while. 'Cept tapatalk. I'll post before that, of course.

That's all for now. Catch ya later.

It caramelizes ar 338 farenheit. You wont be anywhere near that.

 

[Brobdingnagian]

It caramelizes ar 338 farenheit. You wont be anywhere near that.

Thanks for that.

I'm going to be taking the PG to boiling, adding the tobacco, and just killing the heat after placing a lid on the pan (to let it sit in the warm tobacco tea).

Hypothetically, this means I could hold it at boiling for longer, but my gut is telling me I may need to research this before actually doing it.

I'm much more comfortable with this; it's an experiment in methodology, so I will be splitting batches to see how each extract fares based on a couple methods, I'm really digging heat-extracted... so:

1 set quick boil (guess this would be a "tea method" because it uses the exact same method with a much longer soak- some tea people do this with their tea; makes it taste stronger) and cover; one set extended low-boil (kinda sorta like the slow cooker method, except without the 'patience' part).

I don't think I'll do all of them exclusively either way, until I find out which tobaccos enjoy which extraction methods more than others- this often, "behind the scenes" work with many vendors; yes, it's proprietary, but unless we're actually told which method is being employed, we don't know; well, we generally don't care how they extract it as long as the product meets what we are gradually accepting as "NET Standards" versus standards for "Traditional" e-liquid.

In fact, it almost seems as if we're making the gap between ballparks larger - almost as if the two are branching off into two entirely separate entities while being intrinsic of the same base ingredients (true of all juice before flavor is added)

The mere fact that we have a system where vendors are rated by tiers of quality/service/performance- not often found elsewhere -is a testament to the growing changes and new discoveries (many of which are amalgamations of things we never suspected would work together) that NETs and the movement away from analogs (with the addition of all e-liquids) are causing; both in harm-reduction and medicine.

My apologies regarding the rambling; though I do feel it's important to point out the things that we might already know, but that which we might overlook at times.

Keep on MacGuyvering; I'll be joining you shortly.

 

[boomerdude]

To my mind, boiling tobacco is like boiling kidney's, you'll take the piss right out of it. I stick with 150F limit and things have always worked out for the most part.

I'm going to be taking the PG to boiling, adding the tobacco, and just killing the heat after placing a lid on the pan (to let it sit in the warm tobacco tea).

Hypothetically, this means I could hold it at boiling for longer, but my gut is telling me I may need to research this before actually doing it.

 

[boomerdude]

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