Natural Tobaccos - Part Deux

[fogmust]

Hey guys,
While I enjoy reading about white snakes, cold maceration and whatnot, has anybody found another vendor of commercial NET's outside of our "usual suspects"? Anything different than BN, NET, HHV and GEJ that's worth trying?
I'm about to put together another order and wondering if I'm missing on something out there.
This thread has become great if one is searching for knowledge about DIY NETting. While there's nothing wrong with that, I'm still searching for a shortcut to NET paradise.

 

[AnthonyB]

Some tobacco juices are good after a day of steeping, most all tobacco's get better with a longer steep. I usually mix a couple 5ml bottles and two 30 or 50 ml bottles, letting the bigger bottles steep a minimum of two weeks and vaping the smaller ones immediately.

Most times I let them steep 3-4 months since I have a large supply of NET juice ready to vape. I also use different mixing %, I mixed Kuba Kuba @ 5, 10, 15 & 20%, all enjoyable with different flavor profiles.

I'd suggest using a lower temperature on the hot steep, too high a temp. and you could be caramelizing the sugars and altering the flavor of the tobacco. That's a big reason I Cold Macerate, and use a low heat during reduction, hot enough to reduce my liquid, but cool enough not to burn my finger when inserted into the water for ~7-8 seconds... that's my thermometer.

Mftoms, which suppliers' nicotine do you use?


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[AnthonyB]

All my Walkers Tobaccos Alternative liquids which I purchased 12 months ago except one, have made their way down the sink into the vape cemetery.

First of all, they were just too gunky. Secondly, I found the flavors of some of them to be muted or musty. Thirdly, they were making me nicotine sick.

On previous taste tests I figured I would be clever and add Pg to the mix which would cut the gunk down and also dilute the nicotine to what I estimated would be an appropriate level.

However, upon diluting with PG the nicotine hit was diffuse and still making me nicotine sick. I consider a good nicotine base in a juice to be one that has a nice solid clean throat hit but doesn't make me sick. These were the exact opposite.

I just can't figure out nicotine sometimes. Some vendors such as NET.com, goodejuice and Ethervapes make juices in which the nicotine alone makes the juice satisfying. A good solid 'spikey' clean throat hit which feels good and gives a buzz similar to a cigarette . Other vendors use nicotine that feels diffuse and heavy in the throat but instead of feeling good I feel sick. Vaped too much, these liquids can make me feel sick for days. The health cabin Chinese flavorless nicotine liquid is such a liquid. I stopped using it.

There were a couple of extracts in the Walkers alternative tobaccos range which were superb though. They were Watsons delight which is an English blend and Cohiba Habana.

Ultimately the juices were just too gunky, dirty tasting, and the nicotine, funky as anything.


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[MFToms59]

fogmust, try some www.Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com, e-liquids for electronic cigarettes tobacco juice, the Hybrids are outstanding and he has a large selection of Cigar, Cigarette, Pipe & Single Varietals that are worth trying. Oops! didn't see your mention of NET.com when I first read your post, try Want2Vape if you want a kick-.... Tobacco juice, just be sure to re-wick & dry-burn after vaping ~4-6ml of it, I liked vaprite also, not sure if they're still around... checkum's recommendation has a good rep around here too.

Mftoms, which suppliers' nicotine do you use?


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Nude Nic, My Freedom Smokes and Wizard Lab Nicotine are the brands I have used and liked... MFS & WL have a bit more throat hit, NN has good TH and is a bit smoother.

 

[checkum]

Hey guys,
While I enjoy reading about white snakes, cold maceration and whatnot, has anybody found another vendor of commercial NET's outside of our "usual suspects"? Anything different than BN, NET, HHV and GEJ that's worth trying?
I'm about to put together another order and wondering if I'm missing on something out there.
This thread has become great if one is searching for knowledge about DIY NETting. While there's nothing wrong with that, I'm still searching for a shortcut to NET paradise.

I don't know if you tried the following NET liquid supplier or not.
~All Our Vape Juice, MyVapeJuice, LLC
someone said, a while back, the site was up for sale, but I still see it is still around.

 

[YePsTeR]

I really want to try Black Note, any recommendations?

 

[morningdew]

Hey guys,
While I enjoy reading about white snakes, cold maceration and whatnot, has anybody found another vendor of commercial NET's outside of our "usual suspects"? Anything different than BN, NET, HHV and GEJ that's worth trying?
I'm about to put together another order and wondering if I'm missing on something out there.
This thread has become great if one is searching for knowledge about DIY NETting. While there's nothing wrong with that, I'm still searching for a shortcut to NET paradise.

Don't know if you can buy in the States but House of Liquid is worth a look.

Their Perique is superb...

El Puros is a top coil friendly net.

Many swear by Cigarillos. Bit light for me mind.

Guevara shows promise but think my bottle needs a good steep.

Price is ok if you buy in larger batches.

 

[morningdew]

All my Walkers Tobaccos Alternative liquids which I purchased 12 months ago except one, have made their way down the sink into the vape cemetery.

First of all, they were just too gunky. Secondly, I found the flavors of some of them to be muted or musty. Thirdly, they were making me nicotine sick.

On previous taste tests I figured I would be clever and add Pg to the mix which would cut the gunk down and also dilute the nicotine to what I estimated would be an appropriate level.

However, upon diluting with PG the nicotine hit was diffuse and still making me nicotine sick. I consider a good nicotine base in a juice to be one that has a nice solid clean throat hit but doesn't make me sick. These were the exact opposite.

I just can't figure out nicotine sometimes. Some vendors such as NET.com, goodejuice and Ethervapes make juices in which the nicotine alone makes the juice satisfying. A good solid 'spikey' clean throat hit which feels good and gives a buzz similar to a cigarette . Other vendors use nicotine that feels diffuse and heavy in the throat but instead of feeling good I feel sick. Vaped too much, these liquids can make me feel sick for days. The health cabin Chinese flavorless nicotine liquid is such a liquid. I stopped using it.

There were a couple of extracts in the Walkers alternative tobaccos range which were superb though. They were Watsons delight which is an English blend and Cohiba Habana.

Ultimately the juices were just too gunky, dirty tasting, and the nicotine, funky as anything.


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This is really interesting. A few years back three attempts to give up the stinkies were cut short due to nicotine sickness.

I could never work it out a I was vaping less nic than I smoked.

Assumed it must have been lack of the other alkaloids that interacted with the nicotine.

However I tried again, and now find I can happily vape upto 10ml of 10 mg per ml juice a day, with no side effects.

Only difference is changing vendors. Guess some nicotine is 'dirty'.

 

[fogmust]

fogmust, try some www.Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.com, e-liquids for electronic cigarettes tobacco juice, the Hybrids are outstanding and he has a large selection of Cigar, Cigarette, Pipe & Single Varietals that are worth trying. Oops! didn't see your mention of NET.com when I first read your post, try Want2Vape if you want a kick-.... Tobacco juice, just be sure to re-wick & dry-burn after vaping ~4-6ml of it, I liked vaprite also, not sure if they're still around... checkum's recommendation has a good rep around here too.



Nude Nic, My Freedom Smokes and Wizard Lab Nicotine are the brands I have used and liked... MFS & WL have a bit more throat hit, NN has good TH and is a bit smoother.

Thank you very much.

 

[fogmust]

I really want to try Black Note, any recommendations?

I ordered the notebook from them, and I liked pretty much all of their juices. Very clean and very refined, I think I have a longer post about them somewhere earlier in this thread.
The question that everybody has to answer for themselves is whether BN juice is so much better than others to justify the X2 and up price tag.

 

[fogmust]

Don't know if you can buy in the States but House of Liquid is worth a look.

Their Perique is superb...

El Puros is a top coil friendly net.

Many swear by Cigarillos. Bit light for me mind.

Guevara shows promise but think my bottle needs a good steep.

Price is ok if you buy in larger batches.

You know, I keep hearing about House of Liquid, and a while ago I did a quick search, but it yielded no good results for buying their product in the States. Maybe I'll search again.

 

[rdsok]

Also... look at the first post in the thread... it lists known vendors in 3 groups by the threads popularity

 

[boomerdude]

Hey guys,
While I enjoy reading about white snakes, cold maceration and whatnot, has anybody found another vendor of commercial NET's outside of our "usual suspects"? Anything different than BN, NET, HHV and GEJ that's worth trying?
I'm about to put together another order and wondering if I'm missing on something out there.
This thread has become great if one is searching for knowledge about DIY NETting. While there's nothing wrong with that, I'm still searching for a shortcut to NET paradise.

Mountain Oak Vapor ( MOV ) has four tasty NET's.

Best Tennessee E-Liquid, Naturally Extracted Tobacco E-Liquid mad in Tennessee

 

[fogmust]

Also... look at the first post in the thread... it lists known vendors in 3 groups by the threads popularity

Yeah, that's where my whole journey started, but that post is now 2 years old. A lot of things changed since then, and luckily, mostly for the better. Thanks though.

 

[MFToms59]

Mountain Oak Vapor ( MOV ) has four tasty NET's.

Best Tennessee E-Liquid, Naturally Extracted Tobacco E-Liquid mad in Tennessee

Forgot about this one, Sunday Morning, Southern Gentleman and Apache were the NETs I liked, and I preferred the Chai Tea Latte over Cafe Americano... if you like Custards, the Creme De La Crema Gotti & Corleone are a nice change, but they're only offered in the 30ml size. One flavor I absolutely enjoyed before NET juices was 555, offered by most Vendors and enjoyed by very few it's my favorite and I've tried them all.

 

[fogmust]

One flavor I absolutely enjoyed before NET juices was 555, offered by most Vendors and enjoyed by very few it's my favorite and I've tried them all.

Yep. My only non-NET that I still vape is Halo Prime 15, which is their 555 rendition. Good call.

 

[AnthonyB]

Nude Nic, My Freedom Smokes and Wizard Lab Nicotine are the brands I have used and liked... MFS & WL have a bit more throat hit, NN has good TH and is a bit smoother.

Myfreedomsmokes is where I am headed next.



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[AnthonyB]

This is really interesting. A few years back three attempts to give up the stinkies were cut short due to nicotine sickness.

I could never work it out a I was vaping less nic than I smoked.

Assumed it must have been lack of the other alkaloids that interacted with the nicotine.

However I tried again, and now find I can happily vape upto 10ml of 10 mg per ml juice a day, with no side effects.

Only difference is changing vendors. Guess some nicotine is 'dirty'.

Yeah, I think there is a lot to be said about the purity of the nicotine which is why some nicotine juice vendors like Nude nicotine and Vaperstek publish the results of the chemical analysis of their product.

These nicotine juices that feel heavy in my throat, lack a crisp throat hit and make me sick I dub 'dirty nicotine'. For all I know the nicotine may be of a good grade and the vendor has negligently understated the nicotine level in their product through poor quality control.

I find that when the nicotine is good, even an older juice is still satisfying, at least for the nicotine hit.

I think the quality and characteristics of the nicotine can greatly affect how the flavor in a juice tastes as well.

I think that it is worth paying a bit more for good quality lab tested nicotine juice made in a good environment by people who know their chemistry.

If only I could find the 'Heisenberg' of nicotine juice production.


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[AnthonyB]

You know, I keep hearing about House of Liquid, and a while ago I did a quick search, but it yielded no good results for buying their product in the States. Maybe I'll search again.

Giant Vapes might have them. I picked up a handful on a sale last year.




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[morningdew]

Yeah, I think there is a lot to be said about the purity of the nicotine which is why some nicotine juice vendors like Nude nicotine and Vaperstek publish the results of the chemical analysis of their product.

These nicotine juices that feel heavy in my throat, lack a crisp throat hit and make me sick I dub 'dirty nicotine'. For all I know the nicotine may be of a good grade and the vendor has negligently understated the nicotine level in their product through poor quality control.

I find that when the nicotine is good, even an older juice is still satisfying, at least for the nicotine hit.

I think the quality and characteristics of the nicotine can greatly affect how the flavor in a juice tastes as well.

I think that it is worth paying a bit more for good quality lab tested nicotine juice made in a good environment by people who know their chemistry.

If only I could find the 'Heisenberg' of nicotine juice production.


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Forgot to mention my 'bad' experiences also lasted 2-3 days. Felt anxious, headache, hyped up, bad stomach etc really unpleasant. Definitely over nic'ed. Aptly I actually felt something 'dirty' was running through my veins.

Not going to name them but one very, very large juice supplier was involved all three times.

Now and then, when I've been really hitting it hard, I get just a tiny hint of these experiences, out the mod down 30 mins and all is fine.