I use it at a much higher concentration- 10% of the 10% solution. Anything lower and the flavor is too weak for me.
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I use it at a much higher concentration- 10% of the 10% solution. Anything lower and the flavor is too weak for me.
I use it at a much higher concentration- 10% of the 10% solution. Anything lower and the flavor is too weak for me.
I tip my hat to you, sir.....
can't even begin to imagine a 10% mix of N Rustica!
That taste is attributed to virginias which are light and high in sugars. If you are looking for a cigarette taste that has a smokier rather than sweet flavor. I suggest vapetruebacco.com _ amsterdam classic which has dark fired kentucky. Or their balkan bliss which is an english blend that contains smoky latakia.
That's what I'm talking about. I got the extract from The Flavor Apprentice just about four years ago.
OK, this is "the big one". I tried to do my best to trim down quotes to conserve space while still leaving the context. Should be all caught up, if not this'll have to do.
The SVM Kayfun Lite clone off of FT was good until I broke the opaque plastic holding the drip-tip in place, loved it for NETs. I use an Avocado 24, Magma, and two Plume Veil clones now. How often one rewicks seems to be related to how sensitive your tastebuds are and how gunky your setup is/gets.
I get about 8-15ml depending on flavor percentage, doesn't seem to be directly related to power since I vape at 0.3-0.5Ω, 38.5-45w
I really feel that I need to make an "out and about" box that includes mixes at 5% & 10%, though.
I loved them at lower power and I love them at higher power. Back when I was using the VAMO v5, I could hardly get enough vapor to taste what I was vaping and was dry-burning ReadyXWick (heat-cleaned Nextel XC116, which should never be used without heat cleaning) wicks crammed into re-coiled kanger EVOD/T3 heads. Sometimes I'll go for a higher Ω build and drop the wattage, though if it spits I'm ramping it up.
Some cheap blends just don't really have much character, and as you mentioned, it is important they are fresh. The "crispy" blends I extracted came out harsher in the end extract, as if I had taken the over-dried tobacco and smoked it.
Also, never trust just one website's nicotine/juice calculator for your math. Always double check with a calculator and make sure your nicotine is correct and well shaken before use. For example, when steam engine suggested that I put 3.33ml of nicotine into a 30ml bottle, I knew the number was wrong because I always use 1.5ml of nicotine to get 3mg.
And yes, there's a bit of luck involved. My first extracts were "meh", while this last round came out good. I have a feeling that part of it is probably because I called P&C and asked for their recommendations before ordering, though.
My first was all me, and I produced one (maybe two) "good" juice out of a huge amount of extract that made "Just ok" juices with TH/mouthfeel and little flavor.
I have to give a lot of credit to Clay here. If I hadn't tried his blends I wouldn't have as much of an idea as to what I actually liked.
I have some of those sitting around here somewhere. I just hope they're not crispy.
I believe that at this time, the Indiana vaping ban has been overturned. I'm not sure whether that reinstates online purchases, though I don't see why it wouldn't.
I really can't explain it, either. I tried 1Ω, 1Ω duals, single spaced, contact, ect, and somehow ended up with a completely gunked coil in half the time at half the wattage I'm vaping at now.
Other times, micros will gunk up super fast for no real apparent reason. I try to keep my wicks at 3mm and taper them a bit, since my tank has what I believe are 2.8mm wick-holes. It seems like every time I start using a new tank I end up having to re-learn the basics of wicking all over.
While I had a CM, I find that using a computer screwdriver works pretty well for wrapping contact coils.
I'll add to this, that using SS 316L will have a shorter ramp-up time, which can be helpful if your device takes forever to heat up Claptons (this was my initial problem with them).
However, as an alternative to Claptons, you can also twist two equal-length strands of wire (same gauge) together using a drill chuck and pair of pliers and produce a similar vape. It's not going to be exactly the same as a Clapton, but it's pretty awesome in and of itself.
Cavendish is pretty much a notorious coil-wrecker. However that makes it easy to tell when it's time to change the wicks because of how distinct the flavor is. Dry-burning after then pulling the wicks, smells like a cake exploded.
Absolutely. Without this and the extraction threads, I would still be lost and probably vaping TINOs and Peanut Butter Cup at 18-24mg.
I use:
15cm diameter 3 micron Ahlstrom filter paper.
I get about 4 aeropress-sized filters per paper, so there's a total of 200 for me to cut out/mess up in the process.
Checking your warmer's "keep warm" temp is always good advice, some are just right, and others will simmer off what you put in them.
The not having to trim those filters part sounds nice... perhaps I'll look into it, but I've got a ton of this filter paper left. The ones you're using look a little more appropriate for NETs than mine are, but it'd be nice to find a pack of 6.4cm ones (2 1/2", or the exact size of the aeropress filters) just for convenience. Any difficulty getting the aeropress to close up on the bottom with that filter size?
Tempting, because that would allow for faster multi-stage filtrations.
Unfortunately, me and PayPal ended our relationship. Long story short, they'll never get access to a primary checking account of mine ever again. Maybe a virtual card...maybe.
I think PayPal has a "no tobacco or tobacco products" policy. I don't know whether this has been expanded to cover more things as of the announcement of the deeming regulations, as I have not used PayPal since December of last year.
I have this problem less now that I drink lots of dark coffee. Sometimes a tongue scraper can help. Yes, it sounds disgusting, but tongue crud is disgusting, and can sometimes coat the tastebuds. Vape a mint flavor in another tank, or perhaps eat some dark chocolate.
Interestingly enough, I find that Virginia tobacco is a tricky one to taste on its own. Perhaps it's because it's added into so many blends, that I'm just used to it being "kinda there" and almost don't notice the flavor? I don't experience this problem with Anniversary Kake mixed to 25%, but....that's 25%.
I am quite interested in how the Burley turned out for you, as well. I love Burley in general.
It's a shame that free samples will no longer be able to be given out, but perhaps this opens the door for "dollar samplers" or something along those lines. Knowing the FDA, they've probably got plans for a ban on "discounted tobacco products", whatever they feel like that is on a given day. I have only read summaries of the deeming regulations, so I'm not one-hundred-percent on that one.
Also upsetting is the discontinuation of time-limited or seasonal blends. Something's got to give, because people need a little variety in their lives without Big Bro telling them what they can and cannot do or buy.
Interesting. You've probably mentioned what you're vaping on, but I've read so much of this thread in the last few days it's all running together. How long has your Patriot steeped? This can go a long way towards bringing out the delightful nutty character of Burley and rounding out the edges of other robust tobaccos.
The Amsterdam Classic sounds a lot like Peter Stokkebye #83 Amsterdam.
It more or less confirms how much our tastes change as vapers, and when you put individual preferences in the perspective, it's even more challenging to say there's a one-size-fits-all juice or NET. I would have never imagined mixing a NET at 25% and enjoying it so much a year ago.
Three or four years ago, I never would have imagined vaping Latakia and liking it (One of my first NETs was London from W2V's Vapenstein line. Come to think of it, I still have an 18mg bottle that has been sitting around for about that long) and at the time I tried it I was using cartos and Ikenvape & Gotvapes atomizers with drip shields around the outside.
There was also a time where the only juice I would buy was WTA. If it weren't for finances, maybe this would have never changed... but I am thankful for the journey that NETs have began me on. Despite whatever the FDA decides to do, I'm not halting my enjoyment of NET anytime soon.
After all, each time I think I have something about NET figured out, I learn something new.
3-4 years now, I feel unlearned and am enjoying every minute of it.
It's thanks to everyone here, and these two threads, that I was able to get started on this path. So, since I haven't came out and said it before...
...Thank you all very much!
The SVM Kayfun Lite clone off of FT was good until I broke the opaque plastic holding the drip-tip in place, loved it for NETs. I use an Avocado 24, Magma, and two Plume Veil clones now. How often one rewicks seems to be related to how sensitive your tastebuds are and how gunky your setup is/gets.
I get about 8-15ml depending on flavor percentage, doesn't seem to be directly related to power since I vape at 0.3-0.5Ω, 38.5-45w
I really feel that I need to make an "out and about" box that includes mixes at 5% & 10%, though.
I loved them at lower power and I love them at higher power. Back when I was using the VAMO v5, I could hardly get enough vapor to taste what I was vaping and was dry-burning ReadyXWick (heat-cleaned Nextel XC116, which should never be used without heat cleaning) wicks crammed into re-coiled kanger EVOD/T3 heads. Sometimes I'll go for a higher Ω build and drop the wattage, though if it spits I'm ramping it up.
Some cheap blends just don't really have much character, and as you mentioned, it is important they are fresh. The "crispy" blends I extracted came out harsher in the end extract, as if I had taken the over-dried tobacco and smoked it.
Also, never trust just one website's nicotine/juice calculator for your math. Always double check with a calculator and make sure your nicotine is correct and well shaken before use. For example, when steam engine suggested that I put 3.33ml of nicotine into a 30ml bottle, I knew the number was wrong because I always use 1.5ml of nicotine to get 3mg.
And yes, there's a bit of luck involved. My first extracts were "meh", while this last round came out good. I have a feeling that part of it is probably because I called P&C and asked for their recommendations before ordering, though.
My first was all me, and I produced one (maybe two) "good" juice out of a huge amount of extract that made "Just ok" juices with TH/mouthfeel and little flavor.
I have to give a lot of credit to Clay here. If I hadn't tried his blends I wouldn't have as much of an idea as to what I actually liked.
I have some of those sitting around here somewhere. I just hope they're not crispy.
I believe that at this time, the Indiana vaping ban has been overturned. I'm not sure whether that reinstates online purchases, though I don't see why it wouldn't.
I really can't explain it, either. I tried 1Ω, 1Ω duals, single spaced, contact, ect, and somehow ended up with a completely gunked coil in half the time at half the wattage I'm vaping at now.
Other times, micros will gunk up super fast for no real apparent reason. I try to keep my wicks at 3mm and taper them a bit, since my tank has what I believe are 2.8mm wick-holes. It seems like every time I start using a new tank I end up having to re-learn the basics of wicking all over.
While I had a CM, I find that using a computer screwdriver works pretty well for wrapping contact coils.
I'll add to this, that using SS 316L will have a shorter ramp-up time, which can be helpful if your device takes forever to heat up Claptons (this was my initial problem with them).
However, as an alternative to Claptons, you can also twist two equal-length strands of wire (same gauge) together using a drill chuck and pair of pliers and produce a similar vape. It's not going to be exactly the same as a Clapton, but it's pretty awesome in and of itself.
Cavendish is pretty much a notorious coil-wrecker. However that makes it easy to tell when it's time to change the wicks because of how distinct the flavor is. Dry-burning after then pulling the wicks, smells like a cake exploded.
Absolutely. Without this and the extraction threads, I would still be lost and probably vaping TINOs and Peanut Butter Cup at 18-24mg.
I use:
15cm diameter 3 micron Ahlstrom filter paper.
I get about 4 aeropress-sized filters per paper, so there's a total of 200 for me to cut out/mess up in the process.
Checking your warmer's "keep warm" temp is always good advice, some are just right, and others will simmer off what you put in them.
The not having to trim those filters part sounds nice... perhaps I'll look into it, but I've got a ton of this filter paper left. The ones you're using look a little more appropriate for NETs than mine are, but it'd be nice to find a pack of 6.4cm ones (2 1/2", or the exact size of the aeropress filters) just for convenience. Any difficulty getting the aeropress to close up on the bottom with that filter size?
Tempting, because that would allow for faster multi-stage filtrations.
Unfortunately, me and PayPal ended our relationship. Long story short, they'll never get access to a primary checking account of mine ever again. Maybe a virtual card...maybe.
I think PayPal has a "no tobacco or tobacco products" policy. I don't know whether this has been expanded to cover more things as of the announcement of the deeming regulations, as I have not used PayPal since December of last year.
I have this problem less now that I drink lots of dark coffee. Sometimes a tongue scraper can help. Yes, it sounds disgusting, but tongue crud is disgusting, and can sometimes coat the tastebuds. Vape a mint flavor in another tank, or perhaps eat some dark chocolate.
Interestingly enough, I find that Virginia tobacco is a tricky one to taste on its own. Perhaps it's because it's added into so many blends, that I'm just used to it being "kinda there" and almost don't notice the flavor? I don't experience this problem with Anniversary Kake mixed to 25%, but....that's 25%.
I am quite interested in how the Burley turned out for you, as well. I love Burley in general.
It's a shame that free samples will no longer be able to be given out, but perhaps this opens the door for "dollar samplers" or something along those lines. Knowing the FDA, they've probably got plans for a ban on "discounted tobacco products", whatever they feel like that is on a given day. I have only read summaries of the deeming regulations, so I'm not one-hundred-percent on that one.
Also upsetting is the discontinuation of time-limited or seasonal blends. Something's got to give, because people need a little variety in their lives without Big Bro telling them what they can and cannot do or buy.
Interesting. You've probably mentioned what you're vaping on, but I've read so much of this thread in the last few days it's all running together. How long has your Patriot steeped? This can go a long way towards bringing out the delightful nutty character of Burley and rounding out the edges of other robust tobaccos.
VanillaLytening said:
The Amsterdam Classic sounds a lot like Peter Stokkebye #83 Amsterdam.
I tip my hat to you, sir.....
can't even begin to imagine a 10% mix of N Rustica!
It more or less confirms how much our tastes change as vapers, and when you put individual preferences in the perspective, it's even more challenging to say there's a one-size-fits-all juice or NET. I would have never imagined mixing a NET at 25% and enjoying it so much a year ago.
Three or four years ago, I never would have imagined vaping Latakia and liking it (One of my first NETs was London from W2V's Vapenstein line. Come to think of it, I still have an 18mg bottle that has been sitting around for about that long) and at the time I tried it I was using cartos and Ikenvape & Gotvapes atomizers with drip shields around the outside.
There was also a time where the only juice I would buy was WTA. If it weren't for finances, maybe this would have never changed... but I am thankful for the journey that NETs have began me on. Despite whatever the FDA decides to do, I'm not halting my enjoyment of NET anytime soon.
After all, each time I think I have something about NET figured out, I learn something new.
3-4 years now, I feel unlearned and am enjoying every minute of it.
It's thanks to everyone here, and these two threads, that I was able to get started on this path. So, since I haven't came out and said it before...
...Thank you all very much!
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Excellent bit of quote herding!
The Patriot that I have now is from July 2015. I think it's my taste buds have come in from exile so much that I can only do it a little at a time. Patriot has a wonderful sharp/brightness that gets to me after a while. I seem to have the same reaction to a "Blonde" style cigar and overly sweet like Molto Dolce pipe extract.
When I first tried Patriot I was using a Nautilus Mini on a Sigelei at low watts. I've progressed to primarily mechanical squonking at .4-ish ohms.
I've been using 316L more recently because of the lower ramp time. I haven't gotten into "exotic" coils yet but, there's some pre-built out there at a good price: Advanced Vape Supply
I've gotten several of their SS spools. Also got some of the pre-made Claptons but I'm waiting on my regulated bottom feeder before trying them. The SS does seem to be a tad cleaner but, that also could just be my imagination. I seem to like Rayon with the SS and KGD with kanthal. Don't know why....
They've just introduced Alien coils which kinda skeer me...hehe.
The Patriot that I have now is from July 2015. I think it's my taste buds have come in from exile so much that I can only do it a little at a time. Patriot has a wonderful sharp/brightness that gets to me after a while. I seem to have the same reaction to a "Blonde" style cigar and overly sweet like Molto Dolce pipe extract.
When I first tried Patriot I was using a Nautilus Mini on a Sigelei at low watts. I've progressed to primarily mechanical squonking at .4-ish ohms.
I've been using 316L more recently because of the lower ramp time. I haven't gotten into "exotic" coils yet but, there's some pre-built out there at a good price: Advanced Vape Supply
I've gotten several of their SS spools. Also got some of the pre-made Claptons but I'm waiting on my regulated bottom feeder before trying them. The SS does seem to be a tad cleaner but, that also could just be my imagination. I seem to like Rayon with the SS and KGD with kanthal. Don't know why....
They've just introduced Alien coils which kinda skeer me...hehe.
Gooday netizens...
Awaiting a new order from net.com
Planning on experimenting with mixing some single varietals this time (as well as plenty of the usual cigar vapes which I adore in a dripper of an evening).
So, have the following in the order; Fire Cured Burley, Toasted White Burley, Burley Blast, Red Virginia, Izmir/Oriental & Turkish Blend.
Previously had tried Clays recommended Camel and Marlboro mixes with the standard Virginias and Burley mixed with Sun Cured Turkish. At the time was good but somehow under flavoured - reasons for this may have been I had just given up the stinkies and the juices hadn't steeped much.
All the single varietals I have on order, I really enjoy on their own.
What are peoples thoughts on mixing these (single varietals I have on order above) along lines of the following:
50% Burley, 25% Virginia, 25% Turkish
50% Virginia, 25%Burley, 25% Turkish
50% Turkish, 25% Burley, 25% Virginia
Will the stronger types of Burley and Virginia mix well or ruin the mix?
Discuss...
Awaiting a new order from net.com
Planning on experimenting with mixing some single varietals this time (as well as plenty of the usual cigar vapes which I adore in a dripper of an evening).
So, have the following in the order; Fire Cured Burley, Toasted White Burley, Burley Blast, Red Virginia, Izmir/Oriental & Turkish Blend.
Previously had tried Clays recommended Camel and Marlboro mixes with the standard Virginias and Burley mixed with Sun Cured Turkish. At the time was good but somehow under flavoured - reasons for this may have been I had just given up the stinkies and the juices hadn't steeped much.
All the single varietals I have on order, I really enjoy on their own.
What are peoples thoughts on mixing these (single varietals I have on order above) along lines of the following:
50% Burley, 25% Virginia, 25% Turkish
50% Virginia, 25%Burley, 25% Turkish
50% Turkish, 25% Burley, 25% Virginia
Will the stronger types of Burley and Virginia mix well or ruin the mix?
Discuss...
Put some Organic American Spirit Juice ( steeped 30 days ) in a Kayfun 3.1ES, Kanger RBA and an EVOD. There is an distinct difference in the taste to my palate. All three were good but the EVOD was sweeter somehow. Maybe the lower temperature ( 1.8 ohm on silica wick ). The Kayfun was .8 and the Kanger was 1.0 ohm. on cotton. The Kanger seemed harsher half way through the tank but there was no noticeable crud build-up on the coil. The Kayfun was good but the sweetness with the EVOD was muted in the Kayfun. I find this phenomena a lot with NET's, not so much with lab juices.
Buy a pack and extract the tobacco. That's what I did first time I made American Spirit Perique. It was out of stock at 'lil Brown Smoke Shack so I bought a pack of black at the corner store and extracted that.
I still have my last sealed pack of AS Perique in the refrigerator. I've extracted Blue, Natural (oxblood package) and Perique. I prefer the Natural for the earthiness.
Big and Burley sounds amazing. If am lucky I think I got some of this extract in the MVJ blowout boxes.
I'm here... not much to say since I mainly DIY but, I finally tried GeJ Organic and it's really tasty with a touch of sweetness and I'll swear a touch of Vanilla though my taste buds are pedestrian at best. I also had my last bottle of Vita Bella, I found it cloyingly sweet and I'll attribute it to making my DIYs of all types without added sweetener.
I had Black & Mild(?) from Vash, pretty nice but I like Monticello better, have a couple more from him stashed away somewhere... bought them before he "closed" the site since I was always curious and I'm glad I did.
Other than that, I've been heavy in Perique with Louisiana Red, my favorite Perique right now, and I just finished a bottle of 1881 Perique Cigar, a pretty decent Cigar with Perique playing a secondary role... good but not a re-buy like Louisiana Red.
I'm only extracting too but, I did get some Confederate extract from Vash a month or so ago and I'm really enjoying it. I have it going tonight in one and my Dunhill Early Morning in the other.
I got to feeling the same way about Vita Bella. In fact most sweet/custardy/vanilla-y juices are too much for me. That's seeming to hold true with Save Big on Sutliff Molto Dolce - Pipes and Cigars which blew me away the first time I tried it but now I'm only pulling it out as a short special treat.
Also extracted 1881 Perique - Pipes and Cigars but, it's taking it's sweet time developing flavor.
My 1881 extract sat for ~1-2 months before I mixed any vape juice, and then that sat for another ~4 weeks til it was up on deck, it's good but nothing special... I usually keep ~20-30 ready made juices, so it's a matter of rotation.
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