Natural Tobaccos

[y cherry y]

Salesmen and shills. The world has an overabundance of such people.

Now, I have nothing against business. Commerce through the exchange of goods and services is the lifeblood of human communities, the lowest-common-denominator reason that people congregate into groups. Social tribe/family, camaraderie, and affection all matter, but business is the bottom line and where most group associations end up.

I don't, however, like hype. Not one bit. I don't trust hype as far as I can throw it. If someone wants to sell me something and tells me that it's The Greatest Thing Since Slice Bread, I'm out the door in a heartbeat.

Right from the get-go, the hype machine was cranked up for Foggy River Bottom Sauce NETs in a big way that immediately put me off. Not that the protest of closing my wallet makes a difference to anyone but me, but it's my small vote against arrogance, ignorance, or insincerity, or whichever combination of those dubious qualities happens to be pushing the over-the-top sales pitch.

To be fair, this was a one-on-one conversation. He wasn't trying to sell me. The hype is coming from Vapor Joe, on behalf of vaping Watch, which is now selling the Fog Sauce. This is pretty modest juice made with simple soaks -- certainly nothing deserving either wild praise or contempt.

Three years ago, it would have been a revelation. Now it's going to have to compete with a dozen other NET vendors. Looks like he lucked into an effective source of publicity.

 

[y cherry y]

Hehe, you called Cherry a she.

Uh, yeah, I'm a guy. But it's okay.

 

[luceblueboy]

I forgot to post about this but when I was graciously sent some of Brown Bomber DIY I was also sent some of the Uncle BJ's Blackberry Burley. While I can only vape this in the car (as my pregnant wife hates the smell) it is fantastic! Thanks to Big Juicy for his awesome inspired liquid!!

 

[Jerms]

To be fair, this was a one-on-one conversation. He wasn't trying to sell me. The hype is coming from Vapor Joe, on behalf of Vaping Watch, which is now selling the Fog Sauce. This is pretty modest juice made with simple soaks -- certainly nothing deserving either wild praise or contempt.

Three years ago, it would have been a revelation. Now it's going to have to compete with a dozen other NET vendors. Looks like he lucked into an effective source of publicity.

Isn't the maker the same Mad Murdock guy that makes Pluid? I don't know where I got that from, but it's been my (probably incorrect) understanding.

The descriptions on the site seem pretty hyped up too.. "This is the finest NET you can get. It is available in 8mg/ml, and 18mg/ml nicotine strength. There is an extremely limited supply of this juice and it takes a long time to make, so expect this juice to sell out fast."

Uh, yeah, I'm a guy. But it's okay.

I thought it was funny because of your posting style. Basically, sometimes you're kind of an ...... the way only a guy can be. (To be fair, so am I at times)

 

[BecknCO]

I'm actually very grateful that you guys are here to vet these other reviewers. I've been burned by smokie and grimm (vaporhead's europe tobacco VT3 - tastes like cologne for the first month, then pretty much meh after that), burned by the indoor smokers dude (iClear 30B - sucks and leaks and is nothing like dripping flavor), etc.

I've learned a lot from all of them over the last month or so, but smokie and his cronies do seem like EVERYTHING which makes it hard to differntiate fact from fiction in the prime of my noobosity. (Raymond - you haven't let me down yet, brotha )That's not to say I wouldn't like to try RBFS somewhere down the road, but I plan to take it slower than before and not buy EVERYTHING right away.

In other news, trying out BGB for the first time. Very grassy and earthy - quite nice - not getting any smoke flavor, but I need to spend more time than 5 minutes with it in my 306. I think I'll dedicate the evening to it - there seems to be something more that I can't quite put my finger on yet (or maybe ever)

edit - is there a hint of vanilla in this, or did I just not clean out the atty well enough after Dover Court...?

 

[papabogart]

Is it the general consensus that the best Nets are those that are extracted using expensive and complicated extraction methods like CO2 and vacuum distillation?

 

[Mr.Mann]

Is it the general consensus that the best Nets are those that are extracted using expensive and complicated extraction methods like CO2 and vacuum distillation?

One never really can say. I tend to like steam distilled for their cleanness and clarity of flavor, but hell, some soaks work out really well. It all depends on stuff that the vendors ain't saying (like time of processing, amount of extract in a given liquid, filtration, etc.).

 

[Jerms]

In other news, trying out BGB for the first time. Very grassy and earthy - quite nice - not getting any smoke flavor, but I need to spend more time than 5 minutes with it in my 306. I think I'll dedicate the evening to it - there seems to be something more that I can't quite put my finger on yet (or maybe ever)

Grassy and earthy sounds about right. If you not getting smoky, you won't later, because it's not there. I think the reason I thought it was smoky at first vape is because it was the first super authentic and strong NET I vaped, and my mind had a lifelong connection of tobacco being smoky... not so much smoky flavor but literally smoke from a burning cig. Tobacco as authentic as BGB just had to be coming from burning leaves. If that makes sense.. maybe not.

Now the only smoky I get from vaping is the flavor of Latakia or another fire-cured leaf extraction. Gunky coil too, but that's not a pleasant smoky.

 

[Jerms]

Is it the general consensus that the best Nets are those that are extracted using expensive and complicated extraction methods like CO2 and vacuum distillation?

Some may have a personal preference to an extraction style, but I haven't seen a certain one taking over peoples favorite lists. In Bill's top teir list, there's vendors that do steam, CO2, and maceration. My top 5 vendors list also includes those 3 styles; HHV with steam, GeJ, W2V, and MOV with maceration, and Ahlusion with CO2. Maceration is by far the most common.

 

[Dusty_D]

Uh, yeah, I'm a guy. But it's okay.

Apologies Monsieur!


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[Jerms]

Apologies Monsieur!


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He's not a Frenchman either.. or French Canadian.

 

[BecknCO]

Grassy and earthy sounds about right. If you not getting smoky, you won't later, because it's not there. I think the reason I thought it was smoky at first vape is because it was the first super authentic and strong NET I vaped, and my mind had a lifelong connection of tobacco being smoky... not so much smoky flavor but literally smoke from a burning cig. Tobacco as authentic as BGB just had to be coming from burning leaves. If that makes sense.. maybe not.

Now the only smoky I get from vaping is the flavor of Latakia or another fire-cured leaf extraction. Gunky coil too, but that's not a pleasant smoky.

That actually makes perfect sense. They say your olfactory nerves are very close to the amygdala and hipocampus which are thought to be responsible for emotion, emotional memory, and other experienced memories. So much is still unknown about the brain, but this makes sense to me.

I can sometimes smell bbq when I am thinking about slow smoking a nice lamb shoulder, and my chica actually gets in a pissy mood whenever she smells Colorado's newest legalized "medicine."

Can't wait to try Devil Dog now - but tomorrow or late tonight with some decent whiskey

 

[Mr.Mann]

Isn't the maker the same Mad Murdock guy that makes Pluid? I don't know where I got that from, but it's been my (probably incorrect) understanding.

The descriptions on the site seem pretty hyped up too.. "This is the finest NET you can get. It is available in 8mg/ml, and 18mg/ml nicotine strength. There is an extremely limited supply of this juice and it takes a long time to make, so expect this juice to sell out fast."

Naw, I think they may have put it out there in the same breath as MM just so others would be inclined to try it, but the maker of RBFS is from Michigan.

 

[Jerms]

That actually makes perfect sense. They say your olfactory nerves are very close to the amygdala and hipocampus which are thought to be responsible for emotion, emotional memory, and other experienced memories. So much is still unknown about the brain, but this makes sense to me.

I can sometimes smell bbq when I am thinking about slow smoking a nice lamb shoulder, and my chica actually gets in a pissy mood whenever she smells Colorado's newest legalized "medicine."

Can't wait to try Devil Dog now - but tomorrow or late tonight with some decent whiskey

The Dog will get you thinking smoky. If that one doesn't, nothing will.

 

[Jerms]

Naw, I think they may have put it out there in the same breath as MM just so others would be inclined to try it, but the maker of RBFS is from Michigan.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I think I confused RBFS being at same place that has Pluid as being the same maker as Pluid. I bet the hype machine helped to that conclusion too.

Speaking of Pluid, seems to me that hype machine has run out of gas since custard being the new rage. I bet MM will be releasing the "best custard ever" soon.. with yellow food coloring and something to make it look milky. Pluid with a huge dollop of diacetyl. Plus all the substitutes for good measure.

 

[y cherry y]

Isn't the maker the same Mad Murdock guy that makes Pluid? I don't know where I got that from, but it's been my (probably incorrect) understanding.

The descriptions on the site seem pretty hyped up too.. "This is the finest NET you can get. It is available in 8mg/ml, and 18mg/ml nicotine strength. There is an extremely limited supply of this juice and it takes a long time to make, so expect this juice to sell out fast."



I thought it was funny because of your posting style. Basically, sometimes you're kind of an ...... the way only a guy can be. (To be fair, so am I at times)

No, but Murdock's stuff is also sold by Vaping Watch. And I'm sure the copy was written by the distributor.

As for me being an ...... the way only a guy can be, well. . .it's so sweet of you to notice!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Some may have a personal preference to an extraction style, but I haven't seen a certain one taking over peoples favorite lists. In Bill's top teir list, there's vendors that do steam, CO2, and maceration. My top 5 vendors list also includes those 3 styles; HHV with steam, GeJ, W2V, and MOV with maceration, and Ahlusion with CO2. Maceration is by far the most common.

Ahlusion sells steam distilled tobaccos as well, but they're in the non-aro line. Actually, if I remember correctly (no one quote me on this), the tobacco for SC is supposedly processed similarly to the aros. Who really knows though. I feel that the tobacco in SC is slightly more up-front than the rest of the non-aros (aside from some that aren't actually on the website menu, i.e., in-store only).

 

[billherbst]

Is it the general consensus that the best Nets are those that are extracted using expensive and complicated extraction methods like CO2 and vacuum distillation?

papa,

I'm with Mr.M on this one. All the different extraction methods are capable of producing tasty NETs. I'm inclined to think that no simple generalizations apply, and that our judgment of the quality of NETs correctly proceeds on a case-by-case basis, taking into account all the variables, including personal preference (which is part of what makes this thread so invaluable).

I do straightforward macerations because, well, because I can. That method is both inexpensive and convenient for me, and the results I've gotten are on a par with much of what's available in the retail NET marketplace.

Now, in contrast to what Dusty opined, I don't consider my homemade extracts to be superior to other NETs just because I made them. Heck, I don't consider them superior for any reason, but I do think they're pretty darn good, and the feedback I've gotten from others supports that conclusion.

What pleases me most about homemade NETs is that anyone with a bit of knowledge and gumption can make good natural tobacco extract and delicious DIY NET eliquid. It's not rocket science. DIY juice-making using multiple flavorings is more difficult with a much steeper learning curve than making decent NETs.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. I think I confused RBFS being at same place that has Pluid as being the same maker as Pluid. I bet the hype machine helped to that conclusion too.

Speaking of Pluid, seems to me that hype machine has run out of gas since custard being the new rage. I bet MM will be releasing the "best custard ever" soon.. with yellow food coloring and something to make it look milky. Pluid with a huge dollop of diacetyl. Plus all the substitutes for good measure.

I got to admit, a solid white-colored "custard" liquid would look kinda sweet though. But, I guess sitting in a tank where it can be displayed would also prove to be hazardous to the color. Nice and gray! LOL

 

[erawk]

I got to admit, a solid white-colored "custard" liquid would look kinda sweet though. But, I guess sitting in a tank where it can be displayed would also prove to be hazardous to the color. Nice and gray! LOL

You could call it Mann Milk. Jerms loves man milk. lol

RBFS - Im with bill. i lost all interest when the hype train rolled through. ycherry telling us how the owner says theyre better than the whole aro line with absolute certainty, didnt help much either.