Status
Not open for further replies.

Jerms

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 1, 2011
9,252
25,832
Fargo

papabogart

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Sep 15, 2013
513
827
Satis, Faction
Acetyl pyrazine. It provides the "nutty" element in liquids like 555s and such. Halo, The Vapor Station and most Chinese tobacco liquids contain it.

The question would then be: is it in Smooth Criminal? Dunno, but I thought it was very astute of Sharon and Papa to notice the element, even if it's not exactly what is in it (meaning AP). Props to you two. It is very subtle to me and I don't remember if I brought it up to Wlad or he first brought it up to me, but I do know it is very much just an "accent"--when I do notice it--to my palate.

For some reason, I've always been sensitive to odors. If I get a wift of something unexpected or unusual, It takes a long while to get it out of my mind. Like that smell when you first turn the furnace on at the beginning of Winter, or the smell of a waffle iron coil, or the smell of stale cigarette smoke in someone's car or house (of course, I never could smell my own stale smoke when I smoked).
My first impression with SC was overwhelmingly nutty, other than the chemical/perfume taste--that was it.
I let all my A+ breath for over 12 hours and the Vurley has lost nearly all of the chem/perfume I was getting (more on Vurley later) but I've decided to just cap SC and let it steep a few weeks--but I expect breathing has removed the chem. taste from it too.
 

Chinook

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Sep 16, 2013
987
807
OR, USA
I don't get smokiness at all from BGB, but I think the very unadorned burley flavor is a completely different experience than any other tobacco vape. There's nothing to create a counterpoint; all the subtleties are lost on a first-time user because the main effect is so overwhelming. When I first tried it, I had no idea what the hell Ahlusion was trying to do. About the third time I tried it, it was amazing. What you taste as campfire smoke is the flavor of actual pure burley, with no casing or added sweetneres or flavors. It's the taste of tobacco and nothing else.

Thanks. Good points. I need to retry this after two weeks or so. To me the main component in BGB is very similar to what I got in Balkan, which I think is Latakia. I found this:

Burley - The Rodney Dangerfield of Tobacco | The #1 Source for Pipes and Pipe Tobacco Information



"I don’t get no respect, no respect at all!" If you’re 30 or older, you can’t read or hear those words without seeing the image of Rodney Dangerfield straightening his tie. Well, from my perspective, Burley is the tobacco equivalent of the late comic. Let’s take a look at this mistreated leaf.

Burley is another strain of nicotiana tabacum, which includes virtually every type of tobacco used commercially. The leaves of this plant are moderately sized, and the plants are grown widely from the mid-Atlantic region of the U.S., through the south and into the Midwest. In addition, Burley is cultivated in Canada, Malawi, Brazil, Mexico and Argentina.

What characterizes Burley are its low sugar content, high oils and moderate to high nicotine. The dark strains of the plant are earthy, spicy and cigar-like, and have a heavy vitamin N jolt, whereas the lighter Burleys (generally referred to as White Burley) are nutty, sometimes with a bit of a cocoa note, and a more moderate nic kick.

Most types of tobacco are cured primarily using a single method of curing, but Burley is an exception. Burley is usually air-cured, meaning that time and the movement of air through the barn are what dries and cures the leaf. Dark Burley used in cigars (like DeNobili and Parodi) are sometimes fermented after curing. Another type of dark Burley is dark-fired (most often referring to Kentucky Burley), which is cured over an open fire, and the tobacco is flavored with the smoke, similar to the way that Latakia is made.


I'm suspecting that there's some fire cured tobacco in BGB.

Bill, do you have any comments about Blue Grass Burley? I remember you mentioning that it's not one of your favorites.
 
Last edited:

Mr.Mann

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Dec 30, 2011
17,401
40,572
48
All over the place
Thanks. Good points. I need to retry this after two weeks or so. To me the main component in BGB is very similar to what I got in Balkan, which I think is Latakia. I found this:

Burley - The Rodney Dangerfield of Tobacco | The #1 Source for Pipes and Pipe Tobacco Information



"I don’t get no respect, no respect at all!" If you’re 30 or older, you can’t read or hear those words without seeing the image of Rodney Dangerfield straightening his tie. Well, from my perspective, Burley is the tobacco equivalent of the late comic. Let’s take a look at this mistreated leaf.

Burley is another strain of nicotiana tabacum, which includes virtually every type of tobacco used commercially. The leaves of this plant are moderately sized, and the plants are grown widely from the mid-Atlantic region of the U.S., through the south and into the Midwest. In addition, Burley is cultivated in Canada, Malawi, Brazil, Mexico and Argentina.

What characterizes Burley are its low sugar content, high oils and moderate to high nicotine. The dark strains of the plant are earthy, spicy and cigar-like, and have a heavy vitamin N jolt, whereas the lighter Burleys (generally referred to as White Burley) are nutty, sometimes with a bit of a cocoa note, and a more moderate nic kick.

Most types of tobacco are cured primarily using a single method of curing, but Burley is an exception. Burley is usually air-cured, meaning that time and the movement of air through the barn are what dries and cures the leaf. Dark Burley used in cigars (like DeNobili and Parodi) are sometimes fermented after curing. Another type of dark Burley is dark-fired (most often referring to Kentucky Burley), which is cured over an open fire, and the tobacco is flavored with the smoke, similar to the way that Latakia is made.


I'm suspecting that there's some fire cured tobacco in BGB.

Bill, do you have any comments about Blue Grass Burley? I remember you mentioning that it's not one of your favorites.

It's not, but it's "based" on that. ^^^
 

Chinook

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Sep 16, 2013
987
807
OR, USA

Jerms

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 1, 2011
9,252
25,832
Fargo
No fire cured, campfire, or Latakia taste in Bluegrass Burley. No nuts or beef broth feel in Smooth Criminal (the nuts are all in here)! There is however urine in Gold Rising and Honey Cured.:laugh:

Amen brother.

Speaking of Honey Cured, I'm vaping it now. No idea how old it is, I've had it for a while and it was gifted to me. The tangy honey flavor has backed off recently, and it's really good with the tobacco and just a hint of honey. Not sure how long someone would have to age it to get to this point.
 

KC33

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Sep 24, 2013
727
571
Ft. Lauderdale, FL USA
Halo? HALO??? I'd say that you must be kidding, Ray, but I presume you're not. I hope your experience is atypical. If it isn't, what a sad commentary on this young industry.

IMHO, the vast majority of folks vaping do not take the time to research, taste and share their experiences in order to even have a clue as to what's available. I tend to go a bit overboard with researching and learning about most anything I'm going to use for my pleasure including Scotch, Wine, Cigars and now vaping.

Those of us that participate on these boards are the exception, not the norm. It's certainly not at all hard for me to believe that Halo is considered the greatest thing since sliced bread since they are probably the most commercialized product out there and provide a "decent" vaping experience. Same with cigars. Some of major cigar companies that market to the US basically stole the Cuban brand names, ie. Montecristo, Bolivar, Cohiba, etc and sell far more cigars, in the US, then boutique brands that are far superior to any of these brands.

I am just so happy that so many folks on this thread (and several others) are willing to share their knowledge and experience which has helped me to find most of the best products available.
 

Jerms

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jan 1, 2011
9,252
25,832
Fargo
Vaping Fabulous & Burley from the River Bottom line. Like Vurley from Ahl, it's vanilla and Burley, but flavorwise is nothing like it. It actually reminds me a lot of Vermillion River's Vanilla Kentucky Blend. It's a light Burley with a nice mild vanilla. Very good flavor, but nothing revolutionary or extremely unique. I wish I had more Vanilla Kentucky from VR to compare it to, because it really is reminding me a lot of that juice.

LastTango, if you're reading this thread have you tried your RBFS juices yet?
 

billherbst

Vaping Master
Supporting Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 21, 2010
4,239
9,486
Columbia, Missouri
www.billherbst.com
Bill, do you have any comments about Blue Grass Burley? I remember you mentioning that it's not one of your favorites.

Yes, I feel that the 30ml bottle I purchased of Ahlusion Blue Grass Burley when fresh was probably the most amazing NET I've ever vaped in terms of "WOW!" factor. Absolutely incredible.

That said, BGB isn't a juice I like all that much by itself, so I've used it mainly to add punch and sparkle to other tobacco juices. Unfortunately, my particular bottle of BGB didn't age well. Over time, it lost so much of its brightness and astonishing impact that it eventually rejoined the ranks of "ordinary" NETs I have. Like a king who had to abdicate his throne and become a commoner.
 

Chinook

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Sep 16, 2013
987
807
OR, USA
Yes, I feel that the 30ml bottle I purchased of Ahlusion Blue Grass Burley when fresh was probably the most amazing NET I've ever vaped in terms of "WOW!" factor. Absolutely incredible.

That said, BGB isn't a juice I like all that much by itself, so I've used it mainly to add punch and sparkle to other tobacco juices. Unfortunately, my particular bottle of BGB didn't age well. Over time, it lost so much of its brightness and astonishing impact that it eventually rejoined the ranks of "ordinary" NETs I have. Like a king who had to abdicate his throne and become a commoner.

Well said Bill. I 100% agree with you on the "WOW" factor!
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread