Natural Tobaccos

[Mr.Mann]

Light cigs are a farce. Most light cigs supposedly only have about 1.0 mg of nic, where regulars are about 1.2-1.4 mg. Not a whopping difference, but the problem is of course with the thousands of other issues from additives, and especially and more importantly, the tobacco in conjunction with combustion. (See Eleanor for further explanation.)

 

[SkinniePost]

Hence why they can't even call them lights anymore, haha. They are now Camel Blues, dumb... But it felt like a step in the right direction when I did it at the time, even if it was only a placebo effect

But hey, I'm done with those things now, so... Good riddance to all the propaganda.

Mann's post above does support the idea that you shouldn't get him low nic juice though, for sure.

Sidenote: Part of the light cig farce relates to the amount of air that the filter lets in per draw... Which in turn makes the cig burn for longer. The effective nic per drag may be less, but you take more drags on a light cig. So the net result is much closer than they want you to believe.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Hence why they can't even call them lights anymore, haha. They are now Camel Blues, dumb... But it felt like a step in the right direction when I did it at the time, even if it was only a placebo effect

But hey, I'm done with those things now, so... Good riddance to all the propaganda.

Mann's post above does support the idea that you shouldn't get him low nic juice though, for sure.

Sidenote: Part of the light cig farce relates to the amount of air that the filter lets in per draw... Which in turn makes the cig burn for longer. The effective nic per drag may be less, but you take more drags on a light cig. So the net result is much closer than they want you to believe.

Which is sooooooooo goofy! They perforate the filter right where your fingers go as to diffuse the smoke with air. What happens is people subconsciously cover up those doggone holes to get a stiffer (stiffer as in a harder) hit. It's all so stupid, but boy was I whopped!

 

[Railrust]

Thanks Bronze I will try it!!!I'm a newbie sorry.

 

[Bronze]

Thanks Bronze I will try it!!!I'm a newbie sorry.

No apologies necessary Railrust. I should apologize with my "Wow". I didn't mean it to sound like it did. I just happened to get done spending 20 minutes explaining steeping to other people on another thread and I came to this one and saw your post asking what steeping is. I was kind of out of steeping breath when I saw your post. Haha. And never apologize for being a Newbie. We were all newbies at one time or another and remain newbies in some respects. The folks on this thread (and others) are willing to help you with whatever you need. Just ask.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Wow. As it relates to smoke juice, it's the process of the flavor molecules bonding to each other. It can vastly change the taste of your smoke juice. As a rule, when you receive your smoke juice, you should take the cap and dripper off the bottle and let it remain uncapped for a couple days to allow the extraction alcohols evaporate. Then you can recap the bottle and let it sit for another week. Additionally, you should shake the bottle vigorously at least once per day. This will attain most of the steeping but it will continue to steep beyond a week too.

I understand that you said as a "general rule," but I just wanted to put it out there that many (if not a majority) of NETs are not extracted with alcohol. There are some that use Ethyl Alcohol, but there are (according to my research) more that use pg or pg/vg maceration. CO2 extractions are also used, but those are a considerably more extensive operation and thus not used by many (that extraction is for the heavy hitters). IMO, any juice vendor that does extract by using OEA, should say so. I will second your advice of cap off steeping, but it is not necessary with simple macerated juices and I don't do it with them -- they just need time.

Also, W2V (and Vaperite) juices should not be shaken necessarily. Those type of NETs, when shaken, produce a mixed bad, so to speak. Both of those vendors juice carry such a heavy amount of particulate matter that the best advice would be letting them sit for a period of time and then . . .oh what the heck, I'll just quote an old email I got from Donnley at W2V:

" To shake or not to shake, that is a good question.

Pros and cons to this, as with most things in life. And life (shelf that is) is the decision factor.

Many eliquids are created from dry based food grade flavorings which in high concentrations can precipitate back out of solution. Especially when mixed with a strong base like nicotine.
Other liquids which are created from extraction like our coffee , espresso and tobaccos, contain high levels of solids as well but are in suspension.
Which can never fully be removed through filtration (we high vac /press filter to less than 1 micron resulting in a total solids of <30ppm ).

So if a eliquid that is made in these manners, time can cause a them to have a layer of solids or a heavier specific gravity graduation to occur
And thusly need to be shaken to remix. (not necessarily recombine back into a solution) (that takes a bit of heat and long periods in a mixing environment like a heated magnetic lab mixer)
But, if you shake them you then cause the precipitant to be inter dispersed and when you fill a arty, cart or carto you now have these solids sticking to your coil. A good dose of Atty refresher helps flush these away between fillings/flavor changes (shameless plug, sorry)

Personally, decanting is the better method here in that situation. Leaving any solids behind and transfer to a new clean bottle.
But this is for juice that is previously aged.
For new fresh juices, a good mix n shake is a good idea even though the postman did a pretty good job already.
Also many believe that a fresh juice needs steeping. This truly has more to do with nicotine concentration than the flavor package. Nicotine creates a nitrogen Bond with the pg /vg/flavors that over the first few days tries to create a molecular equilibrium (which we all call steeping) and you notice that some start to change color. Especially any with vanalin . So high nic levels need more shaking and steep time.
This has been posted with the expressed written consent of Donley W. from Want2Vape

 

[Bronze]

Short of getting individual instructions with each bottle of juice, knowing what to decap and what to shake or not shake is a near impossible task unless you get personal advice. We sure don't see juice vendors offering up this info on their website with the exception of a few. Another thing I have noticed is that some people think the only ingredients that are extracted is tobacco (and well as the only ingredient subject to seasonal patterns). Lastly, during my research of steeping (which I would not categorize as extensive by any stretch), I found many varying opinions on steeping to the point that I don't know what to believe. Because I mostly address steeping issues as they relate to HHV juice, I convey Adam's instructions as it relates to his process (that clearly use EA in the extraction process). Steeping goes well in the vape world where the same e-cig device goes by six different names and there are ten "best" ways to use it. LOL! Your clarification is useful information for those who want to understand how to steep. It kind of boils down to two words...It Depends.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I have a 30 mL of Smooth Criminal here that I got a week and a half ago. The first bottle I got was 18 mg and this one is 12 mg. I must say that this bottle has gotten close to the premium spot in half the time. Maybe, some would say, I have grown so familiar with the juice that I have deceived myself into believing that it is as mature as the 18 mg was after a month, and they may be right. However, I once had a low mg KB7 that steeped for a certain amount of time that got great after a while (about 2 months), but I replaced the bottle with double nic strength and it has already surpassed the original steep time (2 months +) and it is still not yet ready. I think Donnley, anecdotally from me, is correct about the role of nic in the steeping.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Short of getting individual instructions with each bottle of juice, knowing what to decap and what to shake or not shake is a near impossible task unless you get personal advice. We sure don't see juice vendors offering up this info on their website with the exception of a few. Another thing I have noticed is that some people think the only ingredients that are extracted is tobacco (and well as the only ingredient subject to seasonal patterns). Lastly, during my research of steeping (which I would not categorize as extensive by any stretch), I found many varying opinions on steeping to the point that I don't know what to believe. Because I mostly address steeping issues as they relate to HHV juice, I convey Adam's instructions as it relates to his process (that clearly use EA in the extraction process). Steeping goes well in the vape world where the same e-cig device goes by six different names and there are ten "best" ways to use it. LOL! Your clarification is useful information for those who want to understand how to steep. It kind of boils down to two words...It Depends.

You are correct in your clearly educated assumption about HHV. That was a great post, Bronze. I must point back to the Message to Vendors thread, where many chimed in with this, and say that this type of info should either be on the site, a message on order receipts, or conveyed by the vendor in some way, form or fashion.

Yes, it does depend. But it also should not be left up to us to guess are way through it IMO. So, back to what you first said, "as a general rule" will CYA.

 

[Bronze]

You are correct in your clearly educated assumption about HHV. That was a great post, Bronze. I must point back to the Message to Vendors thread, where many chimed in with this, and say that this type of info should either be on the site, a message on order receipts, or conveyed by the vendor in some way, form or fashion.

Yes, it does depend. But it also should not be left up to us to guess are way through it IMO. So, back to what you first said, "as a general rule" will CYA.

For something as critical as steeping is to smoke juice, I would think steeping instructions would be as valuable as what flavor you are purchasing. I certainly don't need to convince anyone here how much impact steeping has on smoke juice. Most times, out of the mailbox it's Flavor A, a week later it's Flavor B, a week later Flavor C, on and on. By the time you get to the end of the bottle it doesn't taste anything like it did when you started the bottle (in many cases). To be honest, I don't think many juice vendors know what to tell you. Perhaps on some of their juices, but not all of them.

 

[bappo]

Dripping Wrangler light and GY4 tonight. WL has a strong TH with a similar taste/feel to Pirate's Booty. Not the same just similar. Good. GY4 is nut but not bad. Will let all 4 sit for a while now and try them again to see differences. I am VERY pleased that I don't get chemical/perfume nastiness from GeJ stuff. Looks like I may have found an emergency backup to HHV NETs.

Thanks for the recommendations all!

 

[VaporMizer]

His preferences are the less taste the better and he'd prefer the vapor not to have much aroma

This probably won't go over big with the cork sniffers, but the common Dekang cigarette flavors seem like a perfect fit.

I smoked Marlboro Reds for 35 years but so far the Dekang Desert Ship (supposedly Camel, but you know...) is the most ciggy-like I've tried. No room note to speak of and just a general not-too-sweet smoke flavor, you even get a hint of burning paper! They say it is extracted from natural tobacco, but it somehow tastes a little bit like it's actually burning.

 

[gthompson]

so far the Dekang Desert Ship (supposedly Camel, but you know...) is the most ciggy-like I've tried

And you've tried..... ?

you even get a hint of burning paper! .... it somehow tastes a little bit like it's actually burning.

Chinese magic!

 

[VaporMizer]

And you've tried..... ?

Chinese magic!

I've only tried a few non-Dekang cig flavors , but that's because I'm like this guy....just like looking for a smoke substitute....no "velvety hints of fairy pee with an overpowering cherry/vanilla room note" or anything

Like was mentioned earlier, most of the tobacco flavors seem to be more along the pipe tobacco variety. Dekang tastes like they get part of their flavor by making liquid smoke from actual burning cigarette and I like it. Not for cork sniffers for sure. I never tried all that many different cigarette brands either, I just picked one.

 

[Mr.Mann]

This probably won't go over big with the cork sniffers, but the common Dekang cigarette flavors seem like a perfect fit.

I smoked Marlboro Reds for 35 years but so far the Dekang Desert Ship (supposedly Camel, but you know...) is the most ciggy-like I've tried. No room note to speak of and just a general not-too-sweet smoke flavor, you even get a hint of burning paper! They say it is extracted from natural tobacco, but it somehow tastes a little bit like it's actually burning.

No "cork sniffers" here, but if this was a thread about wine and not grape kool-aid, there very well would be.

p.s. Forgive me as I go back to sniffing tobacco -- tell Dekang I said 你好.

 

[Bronze]

No "cork sniffers" here, but if this was a thread about wine and not grape kool-aid, there very well would be.

p.s. Forgive me as I go back to sniffing tobacco -- tell Dekang I said 你好.

I wanna try some of that fairy pee.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I've only tried a few non-Dekang cig flavors , but that's because I'm like this guy....just like looking for a smoke substitute....no "velvety hints of fairy pee with an overpowering cherry/vanilla room note" or anything

Like was mentioned earlier, most of the tobacco flavors seem to be more along the pipe tobacco variety. Dekang tastes like they get part of their flavor by making liquid smoke from actual burning cigarette and I like it. Not for cork sniffers for sure. I never tried all that many different cigarette brands either, I just picked one.

You should start a thread about your adventures with Dekang -- a lot of people are looking high and low for an analog clone. Dekang does use tobacco absolute, so technically you are correct, though you'd have to go to Shenzen to find out for sure. Cheers, and congrats on finding a juice that works for you that will never be in limited supply.

 

[Bronze]

I'm all for treating members with 16 posts with all the respect they richly deserve. But then there are times.........

 

[Mr.Mann]

I'm all for treating members with 16 posts with all the respect they richly deserve. But then there are times.........

Bronze, you are too much. I am really trying over here...

p.s. BJ62, you've got to remember that no one here is doing anything other than trying to sample the lot -- we do a damn good job of keeping apprised of what is available and reporting our findings. We've all tasted Dekang and while it is not terrible, it is rather remedial. Before you poopoo juices that you haven't had, it may be best to keep your options open. But then again, there are many people that are always looking for a juice that tastes just like Blu "tobacco." So what do I know? Hey, whatever works is best...but then again, I could probably hammer a nail into a 2x4 with my forehead, so maybe what "works" is not always the-end-all-be-all of what you could utilize. Do as you wish.

 

[scarf-ace]

Hey Mr Mann, I bet that's the secret ingredient in Vita Bella! Fairy pee!!!
Am I right?