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I do not have the experience others do in this thread, but I really like long bottom leaf and oak barrel cider. I actually got to try those before any nets other than HHV, I do belief gandalf is a straight net. I only wish I could order the pipe juice in a different ratio. I had sent an email asking and they said they didn't have any plans to offer in different ratios.

Also, on a side note. Fire Cured, now 9 days old and this gets 3 thumbs up. For the first week I kept trying some here and there, and was enjoying the flavor but it wasn't coming out strong enough. Now it has come to front and center. Dang, this is good :)

Mr. Mann, what do you think would do flavor wise if I asked for a close to 70pg/30vg ratio? I was wondering if this would bring it out some more since I read that pg is more of a flavor carrier. Was thinking of asking for more extract but not sure if it would be to much flavor then, but can there ever be to much flavor. Really rolling the idea around cause next time I order from GEJ I plan on stocking up and just getting big bottles of what I like.

Are you asking about GeJ doing a 70/30? I got extra flavor on a juice from them before but after I did it, I realized that part of what I wanted was not what I wanted. What I mean is that the flavor is so good it seemed as if I wanted more, when in reality it was just that I really liked the flavor. A lot of NET makers do not like to mess around with their ratios, but those that will let you change it generally will have it on the site. There is no telling why some juices work better at differing ratios, but I have a suspicion it's about the VG they use. Not all VGs are the same. Some are much thicker and some are diluted. For instance, the juice Tampa from VS is 100% VG but if you look at that next to Boba's or Dark Honey Tobacco from Aroma, you'd think Tampa was straight PG. Also, Paris from W2V is all VG, but you wouldn't be able to tell just on viscosity.

If you ask for extra flavor, extract or a different ratio, just make sure that you have a sample of how it is originally to compare. PG, IMO, may carry more flavor technically, but it can be a little sharp around the edges and not as pleasant of an overall flavor experience.
 

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Are you asking about GeJ doing a 70/30? I got extra flavor on a juice from them before but after I did it, I realized that part of what I wanted was not what I wanted. What I mean is that the flavor is so good it seemed as if I wanted more, when in reality it was just that I really liked the flavor. A lot of NET makers do not like to mess around with their ratios, but those that will let you change it generally will have it on the site. There is no telling why some juices work better at differing ratios, but I have a suspicion it's about the VG they use. Not all VGs are the same. Some are much thicker and some are diluted. For instance, the juice Tampa from VS is 100% VG but if you look at that next to Boba's or Dark Honey Tobacco from Aroma, you'd think Tampa was straight PG. Also, Paris from W2V is all VG, but you wouldn't be able to tell just on viscosity.

If you ask for extra flavor, extract or a different ratio, just make sure that you have a sample of how it is originally to compare. PG, IMO, may carry more flavor technically, but it can be a little sharp around the edges and not as pleasant of an overall flavor experience.

Very good points. I was excited when they responded and said they would make changes, but unsure whether to proceed with said changes during my next order. Something I will have to think on. Thanks again.

EDIT: Forgot to add it is GEJ I was considering having a different ration, and maybe more extract.

EDIT EDIT: Also forgot to add, just received email confirmation that A+ juices are in packaging stage. Really looking forward to trying those as well. Devil Dog has some mighty big shoes to fill after Fire Cured :evil:
 
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Very good points. I was excited when they responded and said they would make changes, but unsure whether to proceed with said changes during my next order. Something I will have to think on. Thanks again.

EDIT: Forgot to add it is GEJ I was considering having a different ration, and maybe more extract.

EDIT EDIT: Also forgot to add, just received email confirmation that A+ juices are in packaging stage. Really looking forward to trying those as well. Devil Dog has some mighty big shoes to fill after Fire Cured :evil:

It's all about the latakia! Latakia is the smelling salt of NETs. LOL
 

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specs: The three 10ml bottles of Hangsen Premium Tobacco I purchased from CaterpillarVapes contain liquids that are essentially colorless, almost transparent (with a slight translucence that I hesitate to call “cloudy,” because that might put off some people, and there’s nothing at all wrong with the appearance of the juices) at 18mg nic strength in a 50/50 PG/VG base blend. The liquids have no scent. The labels do not list the base blend, but they do include the nic strength and the expiration date (two years from manufacture), which was, for my particular bottles, July, 2014, making these juices about six months old at the time of purchase. I think they’ve had enough steeping time, LOL. Testing was done using 2.4 ohm Ultimate CE2 clearomizers powered by a Kicked Bolt set to 9 watts RMS. I also atty-dripped them using a 1.8 ohm IKV i06 to double-check.

Hangsen is touting its new Premium line of tobacco liquids as being produced with natural extract tobacco flavorings. By that, I presume they mean either Tobacco Absolute or Tobacco Extract, since Hangsen is now selling these concentrates. TA and TE are not the kind of extracts we’ve come to call NETs---made by soaking macerated tobacco in PG or VG, which gradually becomes infused with the flavor from the tobacco and is subsequently filtered to make an extract that is mildly concentrated. No, TA and TE are super-super-concentrates, but they are produced from real tobacco rather than being synthesized in a flavor lab.

Hangsen’s Premium Line currently has four offerings: HS Delight, HS Impulse, HS Storm, and HS Mentholated. I didn’t buy the menthol because I’m not a menthol guy. The other three all share similar tobacco flavor, with Delight being the “light” version, Impulse average, and Storm heavier-duty. I guess Hangsen has resorted to the marketing model used by cigarette manufacturers: Ultra-Light, Light, and Regular.

What matters, of course, is not so much the way the flavorings are marketed, nor even what particular kinds of extracts are used, but---finally---how good the resulting juices taste. So, how good are they? Well, let’s just say straight off that Smooth Criminal and Burley Blue Grass have nothing to worry about. And I do mean nothing.

On the whole, I’m very disappointed with these juices. I’ve made better liquids with Tobacco Absolute and Tobacco Extract in my own DIY efforts, and I’m no great shakes as an artisan juicemaker.

The flavor profile of all three of these juices is extremely mild, staying right in the center of the bell curve. Hangsen has played this far too safe. These juices don’t suffer from the presence of bad flavors; they’re marred instead by the absence of good flavors. Rather than tasting weird or off-kilter, they are unmemorable and have little impact. While closer to the taste of real tobacco than the bulk of juices made using synthetic tobacco flavorings, the flavor that does come through in all three Hangsen Premium tobacco blends lacks character. Even HS Storm, supposedly the most intense of the three blends, is nondescript and undistinguished. By attempting to offend no one, Hangsen has also failed to please anyone. Well, maybe that’s too harsh. What I can say for sure is that they’ve failed to please me.

What my brain tells me when I vape these juices is that they’re unfinished, like skeletons with no flesh. This is structure without content, as if Noah had built an Ark, but then no animals showed up to board the boat. These liquids are mere empty vessels. Juice makers often commit the mistake of using too much TA or TE. Hangsen has erred in the opposite way by using too little. But simply adding more extract wouldn’t solve the problem. What is needed is other additional flavors.

As bases for other flavorings, Hangsen Premium Tobacco Blends have some potential. Bakery flavors (such as vanilla, maple, or cinnamon), candy flavors (caramel or butterscotch), and some fruit flavors (peach, pear, or banana, although not apple, orange, or strawberry) might be well-supported by these liquids. For instance, any of these three juices might work nicely as the tobacco element for a classic RY4. In other words, they might come in handy for DIY or Frankenjuicing.

By themselves, however, they’re downright boring. Perhaps if I had vaped only Dekang synthetic tobacco juices, Hangsen Premium tobaccos might offer a refreshing change in the direction of authenticity. Given the abundant and rapidly-increasing number of truly wonderful, amazingly yummy tobacco blends now available in the marketplace from many artisan juice vendors, Hangsen Premiums pale in comparison. Maybe Hangsen will do well with these juices in the Chinese market, but, for readers of this thread, they’re a complete waste of time.

VaporBreak is an online Chinese vendor that offers most of the Hangsen eliquid line at remarkably low prices---$1.00 for 10ml, $2.60 for 30ml, and $4.20 for 50ml. Even with shipping from China, 150ml of Hangsen liquid can be had for less than $18 total. That may be a fantastic deal for some of the other Hangsen flavors, but not for these three Premium tobacco blends, simply because I don’t consider any of them worth buying, no matter how cheaply. Sorry to be so blunt, but that’s how little regard I have for these juices. I’ll include a link, however, just in case:

VaporBreak (china) Hangsen E-Liquid
 

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I just got an order from Vapor Break a couple days ago...Great price! Trouble is, this newer stock Dekang is terrible compared to the old stock stuff I've been buying from my local retail shop (a lot of this new stuff has a weird chemical/vaguely pepsin-like taste?). The new Hangsen Desert ship is more like old Dekang than the new Dekang is. Neither seems to have the smokey exhale I really liked about Desert Ship...that's what the TE I was asking about is for, as a matter of fact.
 

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In the spirit of TA, I was wondering if bill, or anyone else (though I am almost positive bill has) tried RAWR's Poison? I am going to pull the trigger tonight on Moondrop and I was wondering if I should add poison to that list.

Never mind, I just found out that Poison is slightly mentholated. :facepalm: I guess I will just stick with Moondrop.
 
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Mann, I wish I had known of your fondness for Haze before I chucked about 7mls in my latest juice purge:(

Damn! I was actually going to post in the wanted/classies to see who had some old bottles that they didn't want anymore (cause I KNOW there are a bunch of people). When I first tried it I thought it was N A S T Y!

Oh, Moondrop just got back with me about their approach to using TA. Paul was very, very forthcoming and honest! I love that and now I will pay him for it. ;)
 

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Damn! I was actually going to post in the wanted/classies to see who had some old bottles that they didn't want anymore (cause I KNOW there are a bunch of people). When I first tried it I thought it was N A S T Y!

Oh, Moondrop just got back with me about their approach to using TA. Paul was very, very forthcoming and honest! I love that and now I will pay him for it. ;)

What are these classifieds you speak of??
 

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But how do you really feel about the juices? :laugh:

Maybe being a "guest" in your thread has removed my need for diplomacy. LOL.

The Hangsen Premiums aren't "bad" juices (I've had my share of those, as have we all). But after a very positive experience with Hangsen's DIY RY4 flavoring concentrate, I was expecting more. A lot more. The let down was an unpleasant surprise. Curiously enough, I think the Premium juices may be exactly what Hangsen was shooting for. Just not my cup of tea (TA?). The problem is that Ahlusion, GoodEJuice, BWB, HHV, Vaperite, W2V, Moondrop, PrimeVaping, Mom&Pop, QuickNic, and about 20 other NET vendors discussed on this thread make juices that are so much better-tasting than the Hangsen Premiums.

I wanted to like them. I really did. And I'm still inclined to give Hangsen the benefit of the doubt about many non-tobacco juices in the rest of their line.
 

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What are these classifieds you speak of??

ECF has classified ads. You can sell your stuff there, and buy other member's stuff.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/member-classifieds-swaps/

YOu just get verified first. One guy does it so be patient, sometimes takes a week or so. Get verified now so you can buy and/or sell when you are ready.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-news/283955-how-become-verified-member.html

FIRST thing I did as soon as I got 20 posts, cuz I had a feeling that as a newbie, I'd end up buying stuff I would regret. :)
but people have juice in there at steep discounts, and nice mods n' stuff, too.
 

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ECF has classified ads. You can sell your stuff there, and buy other member's stuff.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/member-classifieds-swaps/

YOu just get verified first. One guy does it so be patient, sometimes takes a week or so. Get verified now so you can buy and/or sell when you are ready.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-news/283955-how-become-verified-member.html

FIRST thing I did as soon as I got 20 posts, cuz I had a feeling that as a newbie, I'd end up buying stuff I would regret. :)
but people have juice in there at steep discounts, and nice mods n' stuff, too.

Thanks for posting this.
 

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In the spirit of TA, I was wondering if bill, or anyone else (though I am almost positive bill has) tried RAWR's Poison? I am going to pull the trigger tonight on Moondrop and I was wondering if I should add poison to that list.

Never mind, I just found out that Poison is slightly mentholated. :facepalm: I guess I will just stick with Moondrop.

I once tried their "Cigrawr". I was excited because the reviews stated "taste just like a cigar!" It was awful. Nothing like a cigar or tobacco. I was tempted to leave a horrible review on the site for true cigar lovers, but I stuck to my morals and did not try to hurt them. Yes, I'm better than you. Stick you head in doo doo.

I forgot to add that this is on their "signature vapes" list. Only thing signature about that was caca.
 
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I once tried their "Cigrawr". I was excited because the reviews stated "taste just like a cigar!" It was awful. Nothing like a cigar or tobacco. I was tempted to leave a horrible review on the site for true cigar lovers, but I stuck to my morals and did not try to hurt them. Yes, I'm better than you. Stick you head in doo doo.

I forgot to add that this is on their "signature vapes" list. Only thing signature about that was caca.

I have been doing quite well lately with pulling back on certain orders. THANK GAWD!
 

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Thank you, looks like that will be my next order of business:)
ECF has classified ads. You can sell your stuff there, and buy other member's stuff.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/member-classifieds-swaps/

YOu just get verified first. One guy does it so be patient, sometimes takes a week or so. Get verified now so you can buy and/or sell when you are ready.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/announcements-news/283955-how-become-verified-member.html

FIRST thing I did as soon as I got 20 posts, cuz I had a feeling that as a newbie, I'd end up buying stuff I would regret. :)
but people have juice in there at steep discounts, and nice mods n' stuff, too.
 

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Thank you, looks like that will be my next order of business:)

Be vewy, vewy, vewy, careful...sometimes when you can find deals like those in the classies (daily), it takes the idea of savings and negates the whole concept. I have to stay out of the classies unless I am selling something.
 
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