By the time I got to it, it was steeped a good two weeks or so. I will let it sit awhile longer and give it another try..perhaps the beginning of the new year.
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By the time I got to it, it was steeped a good two weeks or so. I will let it sit awhile longer and give it another try..perhaps the beginning of the new year.
To be honest, when I first tried Smooth Criminal, as can be seen way back in the Top 5 thread, I thought something was wrong with the juice. I tried it, of course, the first day and it was N O T good. Even a few weeks after it was only slightly better. But, one day, one day much later...what the hell? Where did this awesome tasting juice come from? Re-ordered immediately to start a cycle of steeping.
I'm all for giving a smoke juice all the chances it deserves. Ahlusion certainly earns that consideration. Like you, I've had many that did not make the cut early only to find out they were very much a reorderable flavor later on. I'm still torn as to what percentage of "improvement" is attributable to steeping versus simple flavor acquisition.
Well, see that is a tricky thing. When I got this latest bottle, it made sense on the first day! Not to say I liked it like I do now, and I totally wished I had waited, but it wasn't nearly like it was the first time. So, there is some of both, flavor acquisition and steeping going on.
That's what I believe too. Let's face it, some of these flavors bend our limits. If we can keep an open mind, they may bend them in places we learn to appreciate. I never thought I could warm up to a grassy tobacco vape. But now I rather enjoy them on an occasional basis. There is no question that steeping alters smoke juice. That is irrefutable. Measuring flavor acquisition is far more elusive.
I still got some of that rubbery-ness in the beginning this time, but it was almost as if it was tertiary as opposed to primary. It was weird, that's the best I can say. When I say weird, I mean how I couldn't understand it fresh the first time, and then the second time it was about 80% enjoyable -- the first time it was probably 50% enjoyable. After 6 weeks, when I only have 20% left of the bottle, of course it's 110% enjoyable. D'OH! Steeping cycle, steeping cycle, steeping cycle! Sheesh!
LOL!
It's hard to say what the required steep time is for any given flavor. Some are fairly decent out of the box (few I might add), some a week, some two weeks, others longer. How do we know when it is our first experience? Have you reordered Dealmaker or has it been a one-shot experience to this point?
LOL!
It's hard to say what the required steep time is for any given flavor. Some are fairly decent out of the box (few I might add), some a week, some two weeks, others longer. How do we know when it is our first experience? Have you reordered Dealmaker or has it been a one-shot experience to this point?
Well, due to my experience with the Smooth Criminal, I figure the character tobaccos: Deal Maker, Desperado, Smooth Criminal (and including Jungle Juice, Peachy Criminal, etc. ), are all approached the same way and I figure they require the same steep. It seems, as confirmed by Wlad, that this is true. The House Blends need far less, the River tree need less than that or the same amount, and the aromatics need none AFAIC.
So this bottle of.... oooh, I got Desperado, not Deal Maker! Though, I know it's the same deal (no pun) as the first time with Smooth Criminal. I briefly tried it the first day but it tasted not ready. Maple house blen is already tasting great in its second week.
That Maple House Blend intrigues me. I like the dull sweet flavors. It would seem maple would fit nicely in this category. I haven't ordered yet because last I checked, Ahlusion wasn't taking new registrants. I'm in absolutely no hurry though. I sample slowly these days and I have more than enough in front of me to try for the first time. More than I care to be honest. If I recall, the River Trees were non-NET. Is that true?
Friend Bronze, I am with you. I have. 10mls of most of the A+ tobaccos. As of right now, only Devil Dog, Bluegrass Burley, and Maple River Tree are pleasing to me. The rest (Vecchio strong, Dealmaker, Desperado, House Blend, and Smooth Criminal) all taste vaguely similar and vanillaish. I like sweet tobaccos as you know, but these are approaching the two week mark and still syrupy. I will of course wait them out until the last drop
I have heard differing stories about the River Trees. Non-NETs? NET but not extracted in house? NET but made to the specification of someone else? Whatever, i like the MRTB a whole lot.
I have heard differing stories about the River Trees. Non-NETs? NET but not extracted in house? NET but made to the specification of someone else? Whatever, i like the MRTB a whole lot.
No, all of his juices are extracted from flavors in the juices. The thing with River Tree is those were done for a supplier that he used to provide for (he makes bases and juices for other vendors per specification), but the River Trees are not his recipe. So, they are made by him, but not designed by him. That's why the site says they are not "based" on his house extracted tobaccos. I got that confused at first but he explained how I got lost in translation.
Maybe when I order next, I will have him cut some of the other flavors by 10-15%. Although, they settle down as time moves on.
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Friend Bronze, I am with you. I have. 10mls of most of the A+ tobaccos. As of right now, only Devil Dog, Bluegrass Burley, and Maple River Tree are pleasing to me. The rest (Vecchio strong, Dealmaker, Desperado, House Blend, and Smooth Criminal) all taste vaguely similar and vanillaish. I like sweet tobaccos as you know, but these are approaching the two week mark and still syrupy. I will of course wait them out until the last drop
I have heard differing stories about the River Trees. Non-NETs? NET but not extracted in house? NET but made to the specification of someone else? Whatever, i like the MRTB a whole lot.
Thanks for your take on the maple. It does really intrigue me. I've wanted to try a maple flavor for a long time. I love maple (the real maple like from Vermont). BTW, Scarfjuice in house. Thanks. I'll let you know when I get to it. Lots to sample. You're a sweetheart!
Ok so here is what Nicole from AIV sent me regarding her first two NET's, Pearship and Stark Winter.
Pearship is a blend with natural flavors and our in-house naturally
extracted tobaccos. We use several types, and in different ratios,
generally blending lighter more organic flavors with more hearty and
darker flavors. The tobacco does come out more strongly with time.
It has also natural pear and other flavors. It is a flavor to be
enjoyed on a Pear-shaped Airship, an imaginary, rich victorian-sort of
zepplin. It is somewhere around half VG.
Stark winter is another blend, with a bit different combination of our
in-house naturally extracted tobaccos. The idea behind it is a vape
that both reminisces of a cold Portland winter, the forest, the frost
found on a cold winter day, and gives comfort of the warm hearth, warm
spiced delights, and family. It has both natural flavors and our
tobacco. It is not a strict NET because it has other flavors too, but
it is based around the tobacco flavor. It has a similar ratio to
Pearship, a bit more PG
This is kindof where we are at with our Tobacco flavors right now, we
are experimenting with blends, because there are many fine vendors who
offer gorgeous straight NETs so we have enjoyed working our vaperly
culinary craft towards some unique blends
She also mentioned 1 more will be out around the New Year, so soon there will be 3.
Sent from my Minds Eye
Pearship is a blend with natural flavors and our in-house naturally
extracted tobaccos. We use several types, and in different ratios,
generally blending lighter more organic flavors with more hearty and
darker flavors. The tobacco does come out more strongly with time.
It has also natural pear and other flavors. It is a flavor to be
enjoyed on a Pear-shaped Airship, an imaginary, rich victorian-sort of
zepplin. It is somewhere around half VG.
Stark winter is another blend, with a bit different combination of our
in-house naturally extracted tobaccos. The idea behind it is a vape
that both reminisces of a cold Portland winter, the forest, the frost
found on a cold winter day, and gives comfort of the warm hearth, warm
spiced delights, and family. It has both natural flavors and our
tobacco. It is not a strict NET because it has other flavors too, but
it is based around the tobacco flavor. It has a similar ratio to
Pearship, a bit more PG
This is kindof where we are at with our Tobacco flavors right now, we
are experimenting with blends, because there are many fine vendors who
offer gorgeous straight NETs so we have enjoyed working our vaperly
culinary craft towards some unique blends
She also mentioned 1 more will be out around the New Year, so soon there will be 3.
Sent from my Minds Eye
I would have thought so, too, but well, no, not really.
I made two small batches of Frankenjuice, one with 80% NLV Gold and 20% W2V Tabak Especial, the other with 80% NLV Bounty Hunter and 20% GEJ Fire-Cured.
Neither experiment worked out very well. I mean, the two Frankenblends are OK, but neither is as good as Gold and BH on their own. The only alteration I've tried that succeeded is 50/50 NLV Bounty Hunter with 50% GEJ Vita Bella, which doesn't alter the BH flavor profile much, since those juices are sort of cousins, the differences being that Vita Bella is much more tobacco and spice, while Bounty Hunter is predominantly vanilla cookie with some tobacco waved over it.
Whatever conclusions I might draw are subject to change, but I'm beginning to think that Gold and Bounty Hunter are best left alone (and I use the term "best" very loosely). They are what they are---seamless dessert-style juices with the merest hint of synthetic tobacco buried in the base. That's how they're designed and what they're intended to be.
Gold is more caramel; BH is more vanilla. Mixed with stronger tobacco, they lose some of their "mystery blend character" and aren't as good. While I've vaped a lot of both Gold and BH through 2011 into early 2012, I doubt that I'll be reaching for them nearly as often from now on. The evolution of my palate/tastebuds/brain has simply moved away from them toward NETs, and there's no room for them in my suitcases for this next leg of my vaping journey. I still like sweet juices, but I'll take a straight Vanilla Cupcake over the NLV offerings any day. Gold and Bounty Hunter certainly won't lose any of their broad popularity because I happen to tire of them. LOL.
I have just received some House of Liquids juices from the thrice-great Hulamoon. The Puros Naturales is fabulous! A bright clean NET with a hint of woodsiness (the good kind) and the slightest touch of pleasing nuttiness. No sweetness, no fruitiness, no paper/ash, no fuzzy tobacco absolute taste. Just pure straight-ahead tobacco with a throat-hit kick that hits the spot. Fans of the GoodeJuice range will definitely like this.
The liquid is pale straw in color and produces nice satisfying (but not outrageous) vapor.
I also have some Cigarillos to sample soon and I'm sure that will be equally wonderful (it smells wicked good).
Thank you so very, very much Hula. In gratitude, let me present Puccini's "Moon Chorus" from Turandot.
The liquid is pale straw in color and produces nice satisfying (but not outrageous) vapor.
I also have some Cigarillos to sample soon and I'm sure that will be equally wonderful (it smells wicked good).
Thank you so very, very much Hula. In gratitude, let me present Puccini's "Moon Chorus" from Turandot.
Ok so here is what Nicole from AIV sent me regarding her first two NET's, Pearship and Stark Winter.
Pearship is a blend with natural flavors and our in-house naturally
extracted tobaccos. We use several types, and in different ratios,
generally blending lighter more organic flavors with more hearty and
darker flavors. The tobacco does come out more strongly with time.
It has also natural pear and other flavors. It is a flavor to be
enjoyed on a Pear-shaped Airship, an imaginary, rich victorian-sort of
zepplin. It is somewhere around half VG.
Stark winter is another blend, with a bit different combination of our
in-house naturally extracted tobaccos. The idea behind it is a vape
that both reminisces of a cold Portland winter, the forest, the frost
found on a cold winter day, and gives comfort of the warm hearth, warm
spiced delights, and family. It has both natural flavors and our
tobacco. It is not a strict NET because it has other flavors too, but
it is based around the tobacco flavor. It has a similar ratio to
Pearship, a bit more PG
This is kindof where we are at with our Tobacco flavors right now, we
are experimenting with blends, because there are many fine vendors who
offer gorgeous straight NETs so we have enjoyed working our vaperly
culinary craft towards some unique blends
She also mentioned 1 more will be out around the New Year, so soon there will be 3.
Been waiting to see if they'd release any tobaccos. I've heard so many good things about their current line and was tempted to email to see if they'd ever do NETs. Glad to see you're on point!
I believe you're right, GT. They are becoming and "in" thing. And that, is a good thing IMO, but only as long as the trend-followers are staying true to the spirit of the trend-setters!
So who's got some thoughts on the new Virginia Flake from MOV?
So who's got some thoughts on the new Virginia Flake from MOV?
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