Natural Tobaccos

[Jerms]

Obviously I can't answer for Jerms... but I'd suspect he uses a torch which would also put a carbon layer on the outside to help with the shorting out issue that you'd see with bare wire

No torch, just a lighter gets it red hot.

And it's just to remove springiness. If a coil is wrapped without being heated and the coils all touch it still won't short. A Cisco atty that's never been heated measures the correct ohms with a perfectly carbon-free coil.

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[Dusty_D]

How Dusty cannot like Vita Bella is beyond me.

This stuff is really good and I still have three more weeks before it hits its peak age.

Just kiddin' Dust. It isn't for everyone.

If I still don't like it in a couple of months, you can just consider it as "off-site" steeping for you.

 

[billherbst]

Just a bit of tongue in cheek from me Bill but I had a brief arrhythmia when you put Want2Vape on the second tier.

In my 'tier system' I would put Want2vape in a league of it's own and never below any other NET vendor. It's not above GEJ, Mov, ahlusion, HHV and it's not below them. It's just in a category of it's own.

IMO there is not a vendor out there who has emulated the authentic taste of cigar, pipe blends and even a cigarette as accurately as Want2Vape and this is particular so when it's vaped in an effective device with an effective wick and coil. That's not to say that it is better than the abovementioned juices, it's just more an accurate emulation of various tobaccos. That for me is a special quality. I too have a mental Tier system. I put Gej, HHV, ahlusion in the first tier with MOV (haven't tried apache yet but I will soon), Vaperite and AVE (dsclaimers re whether they are genuine NETS) falling in the second tier. I don't have a tier for Want2vape. (Have never tried quicknic so i don't have a place for those juices).

This post turned out to be a pitch for Want2vape. So be it.

Anthony,

I heartily endorse your thoughts and feelings about w2v, with one caveat that I'll note in a bit.

I regard both Donley at w2v and Todd at VapeRite as the "original" maceration-based NET pioneers, which gives them a special place of respect in my book. Sort of like the first bands inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. They were both putting out NET retail juices when Ahlusion was nothing more than a glean in Wlad's eye. And I agree completely that no one anywhere replicates the flavor of pipe and cigar tobaccos as accurately as w2v. That said, both vendor's juices have trouble with filtering---particulates and such. They are undeniably coil-killers. That, however, is not my caveat, since I don't personally care about gunked up coils.

The problem for me is that I don't always like accuracy. Often my palate prefers a less accurate but more tasty flavor that my brain already enjoys.

I put w2v and VR into my 2nd tier because of that. I never found any VapeRite NET that provided me with OMG pleasure (and I've tried all of them), and only a couple of the w2v NETs do that. I understand that the education of our palates is part of any sensory adjustment to enjoyment and appreciation (like learning to love sushi, steak tartare, or pho), but in vaping I tend to like comfort more than "education."

 

[Jerms]

As far as having juices that's most popular to vape in this thread, we have the big 3; Ahl, HHV, and GeJ. Whether one or all three makes the best NETs is personal opinion, but I'm sure most of us vape from either one or all three of these vendors on a regular basis.

MOV is getting close in popularity, but isn't there yet. To me they're as good as the big 3, and if they keep it up there may be a big 4. For now, if MOV releases a new juice, it's not talked about as much as the big 3.

Look at Ahlusion, they just released their first cigar vape and first Turkish vape. Also a new NET line and most the aros are fairly new. They've been getting a lot of deserved attention on this thread lately, but if GeJ or HHV released a new NET line and first specific type of NET they'd be talked about just as much. Then you have poor MyVapeJuice who's releases new lines with little fanfair; because they're fairly new to the game, not as universally appealing, and not as popular.

Finally W2V, which have one thing going for them here; respect. They were one of the first, they are extremely authentic tasting, and some are very aggressive. A lot of us have a few from them we really like, but who here vapes them more often than the big 3? They're very gunky, and they lack a certain pleasantness. Fun to vape for short periods, but just too much to be vaping all the time. Personally, I could vape CI Cigar, Blond, and PURE Smoke from them for hours, but not the rest. The big 3 have a bunch of NETs and can vape for hours at a time.

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[billherbst]

As far as having juices that's most popular to vape in this thread, we have the big 3; Ahl, HHV, and GeJ. Whether one or all three makes the best NETs is personal opinion, but I'm sure most of us vape from either one or all three of these vendors on a regular basis.

MOV is getting close in popularity, but isn't there yet. To me they're as good as the big 3, and if they keep it up there may be a big 4. For now, if MOV releases a new juice, it's not talked about as much as the big 3.

Look at Ahlusion, they just released their first cigar vape and first Turkish vape. Also a new NET line and most the aros are fairly new. They've been getting a lot of deserved attention on this thread lately, but if GeJ or HHV released a new NET line and first specific type of NET they'd be talked about just as much. Then you have poor MyVapeJuice who's releases new lines with little fanfair; because they're fairly new to the game, not as universally appealing, and not as popular.

Finally W2V, which have one thing going for them here; respect. They were one of the first, they are extremely authentic tasting, and some are very aggressive. A lot of us have a few from them we really like, but who here vapes them more often than the big 3? They're very gunky, and they lack a certain pleasantness. Fun to vape for short periods, but just too much to be vaping all the time. Personally, I could vape CI Cigar, Blond, and PURE Smoke from them for hours, but not the rest. The big 3 have a bunch of NETs and can vape for hours at a time.

Helluva post, Jerms. Though the words are your own, you might as well have taken many of those thoughts right out of my head.

Ahlusion and HHV are the 800-lb. gorillas of NETs on this thread, with GeJ being a 600-lb. orangutan, and MOV as a young but rapidly growing chimpanzee. After an initial and somewhat extended fling with MyVapeJuice, I now see it as a woman in a gorilla suit.

Beyond the Big Three (or eventually Four), every other NET vendor (whatever the source of their extracts) is at this point a mere also-ran, running way back in the pack, scrambling to try to finish in the money, but with no chance of doing so based on their current offerings. That's not to diss 10-12 vendors who are trying hard, but things are as they are.

My w2v choices are different than yours (I'd go with Tabak Especial---now called Coffee-Infused Cigar---Managua, and more recently Louisville), but my feelings are the same.

Preferences among individual vapers/posters on this thread are, of course, all over the map---some prefer Ahlusion, others like HHV best, and a smaller number swear by GeJ---but it's not difficult to get a sense of the bell curve of overall thread sentiment.

 

[gthompson]

The only thing I'd add to that is I think QnJ has moved into that "just under the top tier" spot along with MOV.

 

[Jerms]

I think the thing holding MountainOakVapors back from being side-to-side with with the big boys is only because they are newer with NETs than them and don't have the selection yet. The quality and style is definately there. They haven't done anything really new yet, but the styles they mimick are well picked, and they make it there own.

Straight aggressive like an Ahl aro or W2V (but cleaner); Apache. Smooth, mild, and highly vapable flavored NET like HHV; PenD, SunMorn, and I'm guessing Hey Jack. SoGent is neither aggressive nor mild, a complex pipe blend like GeJ would release. Topped off with a champion NET RY4. They do all these so well, I don't see them as even needing to come up with their own unique style, just keep releasing well-done NETs.

Not saying they are necessarily copying the big 3 (though it feels to me they are). What's the saying, imitation is the highest form of flattery? At least they imitate the best while having the same high quality, and add enough spin to make them feel like original juices. Unlike Cravin who imitate HHV (didn't someone say HHV light? I like that), those are good but if you can't come close to equaling what you imitate, it gets to be, what's the point? MOV could have failed if it was generally agreed that what they do is just almost as good as who they imitate. Some think that, but not the majority. Personally I think some of what they do is better (I love you PenD).

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[Jerms]

The only thing I'd add to that is I think QnJ has moved into that "just under the top tier" spot along with MOV.

It's looking that they are a contender. Most seem to think the quality is there, and there popularity in this thread is on the rise. They've kind of sat on the side line for a while, though they have been making NETs for some time. I think for whatever reason they just hadn't been tried much (partially because of the generic name I'm guessing, but GeJ rose over that).

Many are trying them now and many like me are planning to. The contest will really bump them up, it's made it so I'm trying them quicker than I would have. And we all love new releases when they're done well.

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[Jerms]

I'd also consider HouseofLiquid a contender if they were cheaper and located in the states. Quality is there for them too plus some originality.

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[Jerms]

Hey Mann, you may be stocked up for years on Joytech 510s, but if not here's a 5-pack deal for $11.96 with code VAPELAUNCH.

http://www.digitalciggz.com/product-p/joyetech-510-atomizer-5-pack.htm?CartID=1

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[Roots820]

Ok, I know this is OT but I trust the input I receive here a lot. I am looking into getting a new mod with variable wattage. I have a VV MVP already and I love it. Wanting something a little more mindless/convenient with an ohm reader and swappable batteries. Not looking for anything with a different JDS like the REO.

I saw a good deal for the Innokin SVD on vapor joe's. I saw RPAD's review on it too. Tempted, but it looks like it is unnecessarily long. Anyone have strong feelings about something VW, cheap, and fairly compact? To make this a bit more on topic, what is your favorite VW mod to use with NETs? Why?

 

[Jerms]

Wow, I'm really hogging the thread today. Unfortunately for the reader, I'm okay with that. New toys for me today. Got my FastTech order, took a couple days to get from Hong Kong to Cali, and about a week to get to my home from there. Free shipping which was fairly quick considering; and insanely cheap, I'll be ordering for them again.

Unfortunately, a couple items I got what I paid for. Pics and explainations shortly.

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[Jerms]

Ok, I know this is OT but I trust the input I receive here a lot. I am looking into getting a new mod with variable wattage. I have a VV MVP already and I love it. Wanting something a little more mindless/convenient with an ohm reader and swappable batteries. Not looking for anything with a different JDS like the REO.

I saw a good deal for the Innokin SVD on vapor joe's. I saw RPAD's review on it too. Tempted, but it looks like it is unnecessarily long. Anyone have strong feelings about something VW, cheap, and fairly compact. To make this a bit more on topic, what is your favorite VW mod to use with NETs? Why?

Yes! That SVD is an insanely good deal for that price. It's telescoping, so the length depends on what size batts you use. No idea it's size compared to other VW units since I only have a VAMO, but the electronics do make them bigger than a mechanical. The VAMO can also be found for less than $30 and has a short and a long mode.

If I had $40 to spend, I would pick up that iTaste SVD for a second VW mod.

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[Roots820]

Yes! That SVD is an insanely good deal for that price. It's telescoping, so the length depends on what size batts you use. No idea it's size compared to other VW units since I only have a VAMO, but the electronics do make them bigger than a mechanical. The VAMO can also be found for less than $30 and has a short and a long mode.

If I had $40 to spend, I would pick up that iTaste SVD for a second VW mod.

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It DOES look like a light saber too.
From what I have read and watched, the SVD with an 18650 is "comical" in length. Longer than a VAMO which I understand is on the large size too. I could go with an 18500 or 18350 bat and carry a spare I suppose.

 

[Jerms]

It DOES look like a light saber too.
From what I have read and watched, the SVD with an 18650 is "comical" in length. Longer than a VAMO which I understand is on the large size too. I could go with an 18500 or 18350 bat and carry a spare I suppose.

If it's longer than a VAMO in 18650 mode, it is pretty long. I don't mind the size of the VAMO, but it it rather night-stickish. Maybe someone knows of a smaller VW for cheap.

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[Roots820]

So my choices for $40 or less VW mods: Night-Stickish or Light-Saberish. Hmmm...

 

[Jerms]

Ok my FastTech order..

First we have the drippers with the drip tips they came with, looks pretty sweet so far. On the left is a Phoenix V3 (clone) AKA Wyvern. The small tube left of the dripper is just for looks on an eGo. In the middle is a Phoenix clone. On the right is an ERA clone, I have 2 others with slightly different looks and internals and they're great. Nice tip it came with. Phoenix drippers less than $4 and ERA about $5



Here's my eGo-V. 650mAh variable voltage from 3 to 6 volts. Shows battery level and voltage set on screen. Can be turned off, screen locked, all that nice stuff. The scroll bottons stick out, good, the power button is flush, lame. I knew all this when I bought it. What I wasn't expecting is you'll notice my eVod (which looks rather nice on this) doesn't screw down all the way leaving a gap. Sure, just a minor aesthetic issue, but still, eGo threads should all be the same. $17, I'm okay with it I guess. It's almost as long as a 1000mAh Twist, which is pretty long, but this is only 650mAh.



Here it is again with the Phoenix V3. Looks pretty sweet right? Well, using the eGo tube that comes with the V3 for that sleek look makes it not work, with any of my eGos. Bad Chinese quality control strikes.



And now we run into bigger issues. The Phoenix's are different than the Phoenix clones I've seen videos of on the insides. These are bad clones of mediocre clones. The V3 on the left is suppost to have side holes, so I would be able to stagger them to easily set up a vertical wick. These just have the the holes on top with cheap black screws, the same with the Phoenix on the right. There's a contact issue somewhere, the ohms jump from 1.2 to 9.5 and in between rapidly. Hoping it just screws not screwed in tight enough (need a smaller screwdriver to find out) and not the posts making bad contact. The ERA in the middle has this weird insulator that sticks way up, about where I want the coil to be, and as you can see chars easily. I have to see if I can use this safely by removing it, otherwise it's garbage. The nice outside fits on my other ERA clones at least.



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[Bronze]

The only thing I'd add to that is I think QnJ has moved into that "just under the top tier" spot along with MOV.

Agree and with room to grow. No vendor has resided under the radar to the extent QnJ has. And I don't know why.

 

[Bronze]

It's looking that they are a contender. Most seem to think the quality is there, and there popularity in this thread is on the rise. They've kind of sat on the side line for a while, though they have been making NETs for some time. I think for whatever reason they just hadn't been tried much (partially because of the generic name I'm guessing, but GeJ rose over that).

Many are trying them now and many like me are planning to. The contest will really bump them up, it's made it so I'm trying them quicker than I would have. And we all love new releases when they're done well.

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I did my part waving the QnJ banner. I think a part of the problem was Rich was only offering a handful of NETs. And a couple/few of them were rather obscure flavors (Kuba Kuba, Clove, etc). With the addition of four more mainstream NETS, I think he is on the cusp of a major expansion in popularity. I haven't even vaped the four new ones yet but I know they will be perfectly acceptable to the masses as Rich gets it when it comes to brewing his own extractions.

 

[RPadTV]

Did you order yours from houseofmods in UK?

Seems like it would be perfect for nets.
I'm wanting a spiral to use on the EA mod I have on the way and maybe a future Nemesis.

Yup, that's where I got it from. I love it for NETs. That and the AMP Tank have been my favorite JDSs lately. I have some Sera wool coming in today so that I can give the Spheroid a shot.

I saw a good deal for the Innokin SVD on vapor joe's. I saw RPAD's review on it too. Tempted, but it looks like it is unnecessarily long. Anyone have strong feelings about something VW, cheap, and fairly compact? To make this a bit more on topic, what is your favorite VW mod to use with NETs? Why?

I really like the SVD, but yes it's quite long. I don't mind the length at all because A) lightsabers are cool and B) I've been working with a microphone in my hand for the last 11 years, so it feels comfortable.

Still, I find that my favorite mods are mechanicals with an Evolv Kick. I love the simplicity of mechanicals and really appreciate the craftsmanship of high-end mechs. The Kick gives you VW and some protection. Right now my favorite is the EMI Avenger v3. The Filipino sun totally works for me.