Natural Tobaccos
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See, that's what I am talking about. Honesty. I don't need to know what is proprietary, but don't leave me hangin'. I appreciate HHV and Vermillion being honest about whether they make their own extracts or not. Ahlusion has all that information already on their site, so there was nothing for me to ask.
I like both the iclear16s and 30s. Both have better draws than the Protanks, and better flavor. The dual coils do tend to gunk up faster, but, and this is strange... I just picked up iclear16 replacement heads and took the 1.8 ohm ones. I replaced both of my iclears simultaneously, but the coils aren't labeled so 1 tank got a 1.8 ohm head, the other the standard 2.2 ohm head; one tank filled with Shadow, the other HA. The 1.8 ohm coil is still clean, whereas the 2.2 already gunked over and was dry burned clean and gunked up again. Since the juices are basically sisters, it has to be the heads.
I'm used to the iclears' characteristics and they are more easily resolved than the Protanks (I'll work when I want to).
I also enjoy the T2. Those are standard on my Halo Triton tanks. I had Organic #1 in one for a month and it performed really well. Currently running Huntsman in one, and Halo's Voodoo in another, while I have iclears full of Shadow, HA, and Serendipity.
No one in particular. Just as an example. I can't think of one off the top of my head. I haven't been shopping today.
Any Vendor using Naturally Extracted Tobacco is a NET Vendor in my book, the source doesn't matter more than the ingredients. My problem with Vermillion River was the sweetness of all their juices, otherwise I did enjoy them, but only 6-8 vapes at a time, then I had to switch to something like W2V or Highbrow to get the sweetness off my palate.
Omission or evasion keeps me from being a customer.
He called you 'SHAT'. LOL. That abbreviation of your handle might leak out to the Bobanites you know especially after all the 'SHATTING' you've been doing all over their favorite liquid
IDGAF! And I agree; I've had the same 100ml Boba's and 30ml Gorilla Juice for a year. Neither bottle is even half vaped. I should have made serious bank during AVE's hiatus. Oh well.
Like GThompson said, clean burning. But just as, if not more important to me is operational transparency. I don't care if they have proprietary steps like filtering or an extra step that they just figured out. But I like to know their basic extraction methods, types of tobacco and whethere they're pesticide free(!!!!!), which is a biggie for me especially being on a clean diet. Wlad's GCwhatever nitrosimine testing is best of the best, but from other companies knowing they're pesticide free and properly cured and extracted is what's most important.
Sorry if that's confusing. Damn hashbrowns.
I've found NET liquid to be of incredible value when you take just how much more planning and work it is vs. just mixing lorann's and TFA.
I'm curious what kind of NET a home grown hydroponic garden growing (probably) Virginia and Burley and home made cure shed in the back yard. With some of the Virginia made in to Cavendish (custom blends). I know the type of hydro system I'd use, although I'm not sharing it here. I wish I had a facility to do this. I have hydroponic experience.
Home grown, organic, indoor hydroponic tobacco growing would solve every. Single. Issue. when it comes to crop consistency. Portable AC, humidifier, 12'x12x "Hydro Huts" (2-4 of them, depending on size of your house. At least 1kw light each) - indoor tents with plenty of structural support to hand 2k Watts of High Pressure Sodium or Metal Halide HID lighting, Dehumidifier, Hydroponic feed system and ~20 plants/tent. Lights, A/C, dehumidifier and feed system on a digi controller. You just add nutrients and water once a week, check it daily to make sure it's working correctly. There are even Android and iOs apps that let you know how everything is and water levels.
You're doing nothing illegal so there's nothing to hide like a pot grow. There are hydro shops everywhere and it's feaking easy to grow hydroponic gardens. Plus you can grow your own veggies while you're at it.
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Well, I think the major point is that when you're actually doing it yourself, the level of control can be greater.
p.s. What's up, Shatner?
Remember, with tobacco you can't overlook curing. Growing tobacco seems relatively simple, but the curing is very involved and time consuming. There are many types of different methods and they all have everything to do with the resulting flavor. Nobody wants green tasting tobacco. Flue cured, air cured, fire cured, fermented, pressure curing...I don't think there are a lot of shortcuts or alternatives available.
Agree with this. Although would someone mind giving the class a quick crash course on what leaves do what and what 'single leaf extraction' is? If it's not too much trouble.
A certain vendor has never gotten a dime from me for just that reason.
Curious. Would you PM me, please?
I prefer it done in house. NETCOM, HHV, GEJ, QnJ, A+, MOV (does W2V extract in house?), and VCV as far as TA goes. Imo, those are the top NET vendors. W2V isn't particularly my style, though.
Let me make it clear. I have no problem when companies use 3rd party extracts. I DO take issue when they play coy and sly and don't mention the 3rd party unless you dig/poke/prod/ask so many damn questions that they just want you to S tfu.
In fact, I just placed an order for Vermillion's 3rd party net. Like Mann said, good juice is good juice. BUT(!!!) being an artist myself, I can sense the pride that the in house extract vendors have in their product and the enthusiasm they have when discussing their wares. Props to the vendors reading this; you know whom I speak of.
In fact, I just placed an order for Vermillion's 3rd party net. Like Mann said, good juice is good juice. BUT(!!!) being an artist myself, I can sense the pride that the in house extract vendors have in their product and the enthusiasm they have when discussing their wares. Props to the vendors reading this; you know whom I speak of.
I prefer 70pg 12mg. VCV's Blue Beard is in my top 3 all time favorite liquids even though it's 100VG. They also thin it so it's tank and carto friendly. They extract their own TA and you can taste the quality difference in it and ALL other TA liquids. If you want more Blue berry and Blackberry essence ask for it 'Adam style'. It's delicious and easily an ADV.
I'm doing really well! How was your Bday? Sorry I missed it and your PM.
Oh, I know. But if you had a backyard you could easily build an air curing shed (a flue cure shed if they had a few acres). Sure, it'd take ~1 year after harvest (which I assume is 12-16 weeks in itself) to see product. But it could could be done. Other indoor crops' curing is critical, too. If I still owned a house I'd probably do it. Moving in to an apt won't exactly be condusive to an indoor hydro garden.
HHV does not, but they have never once said "we extract," "in-house extract," or even, "I extracted this." Adam has confirmed this to me that HHV is "basically like Vermillion" in that they do not extract their tobaccos themselves (they get them third party). Hell, I am putting in an order because I will back honesty and transparency over playing the game. As far as I know, Ahlusion drafts/designs most of the extracts (though some are done in-house and they all are born in-house) and have it mass produced elsewhere (see his site article on "Are all your concentrates produced in-house?")
I think some of the problem is that these vendors never said what we attributed to them. Now, it should be stated that if a vendor knows people are saying this and they don't speak out, or have the information provided, that's akin to lying. But, as long as they tell you when asked, or if they've provided the information, there's nothing wrong with that.
As far as I know, House of Liquid tobaccos are made by Concept Liquids.
I asked Darth Vapers some questions recently, and though they responded to me asking if they would talk, they never responded back to my real questions. I may have come on a bit strong though.
NET.com (confirmed), GeJ (confirmed), MoV (confirmed--though, some question remains about Apache), w2v (confirmed) and VCV (confirmed, though not the flavorings).
Learn something new everyday. In this case HHV and Ahlusion. DV uses steam distillation, correct? I'm curious about that. What did you ask them?
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