Natural Tobaccos

[shatner]

That's because you haven't learned how to build your own coils.

Meh, I still use disposables. Smartvapes.com dripping atties and Thehouseofvapor.com Stingrays. In fact, I ordered 10 of each in long barrel trim just yesterday. That'll last me for ~10 months with only a few thorough PGA soak and maybe one dry burn per atty. I used to use Avid.com Cisco specs, but they got a tight draw within 3 days.

 

[AnthonyB]

Oh, I see the confusion! When I said 'VR' in that instant I meant Vermillion River, not Vaperite!

Notwithstanding, Rou's Toasted Hazelnut is a wonderful liquid and so is Madagascar vanilla.

If I recall correctly, all VR NETS are only available in a 50/50 blend, my two favorite VR juices are the Naturally Flavored Rou's Natural Toasted Hazelnut tobacco, which I've been vaping almost exclusively this week, and Organic Flavored Madagascar Vanilla Tobacco.

 

[RPadTV]

Meh, I still use disposables. Smartvapes.com dripping atties and Thehouseofvapor.com Stingrays. In fact, I ordered 10 of each in long barrel trim just yesterday. That'll last me for ~10 months with only a few thorough PGA soak and maybe one dry burn per atty. I used to use Avid.com Cisco specs, but they got a tight draw within 3 days.

I use direct-drippers too. Vapage recently had a 50% coupon (posted by y cherry y, I believe) and I picked up 10 at a great price. I love HH357s, but they're pricey. Those Stingrays look interesting. I'll probably give them a shot in the future.

 

[RPadTV]

HHV does not, but they have never once said "we extract," "in-house extract," or even, "I extracted this." Adam has confirmed this to me that HHV is "basically like Vermillion" in that they do not extract their tobaccos themselves (they get them third party). Hell, I am putting in an order because I will back honesty and transparency over playing the game. As far as I know, Ahlusion drafts/designs most of the extracts (though some are done in-house and they all are born in-house) and have it mass produced elsewhere (see his site article on "Are all your concentrates produced in-house?")

I think some of the problem is that these vendors never said what we attributed to them. Now, it should be stated that if a vendor knows people are saying this and they don't speak out, or have the information provided, that's akin to lying. But, as long as they tell you when asked, or if they've provided the information, there's nothing wrong with that.

As far as I know, House of Liquid tobaccos are made by Concept Liquids.

I asked Darth Vapers some questions recently, and though they responded to me asking if they would talk, they never responded back to my real questions. I may have come on a bit strong though.

NET.com (confirmed), GeJ (confirmed), MoV (confirmed--though, some question remains about Apache), w2v (confirmed) and VCV (confirmed, though not the flavorings).

You should write a guest column on RPad.TV on your NET investigations! It's really good stuff.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I am almost certain about Vaperite extracting in-house; more certain about Prime Vaping; and My Vape Juice most certainly is (uhh, with sediment like that, of course they are); and Beeliquid too. Generally, any macerated juices are going to be in-house where the more advanced techniques are going to be off site.

As an aside, AromaeJuice and WholeCig both extract their WTA on site.

 

[AnthonyB]

It's very competitive out there and vendors want to protect their recipes particularly if they are not getting their 3rd party extractions from a well known source. Trying to step into their shoes, I would only be concerned with making sure I make a fine liquid that people like and would increase sales and not concern myself too much with the minority who insist on knowing exactly what is in my liquids.

I would love to try Verm Rivers NET. I can only imagine how good that would be and something tells me there are cross overs between what is in their standard line and their NET.

Even the vendors who do fess up and tell you they are making a full extraction and can boast proudly about it, satisfying your need to know that the extract is not third party or TA or externally source, they would still be reluctant to tell you exactly how they do that extraction.

If I make you the best burger in the world and you come back to my restaurant (hypothetically) every day for that wonderful burger the quickest way for me to go broke is to tell you exactly how to make it yourself and what I put in it.

I too would be going down the S T F U route before I told you that my cousin Jim grows his own veggie patch and he lives alongside a creek with some very fertile land where he grows his own special tomatoes, lettuce, fresh produce that goes in my burgers and his lovely wife Diana mixes her own home made mayonnaise which goes into my burger. (All hypothetical).

And if I stuck supermarket grade Mayo in my burgers and bought the veges at any typical grocer the mystique of my burgers might disappear. Any information that is going to lose me business is information I would withhold.

Capitalism, it's fun.

Let me make it clear. I have no problem when companies use 3rd party extracts. I DO take issue when they play coy and sly and don't mention the 3rd party unless you dig/poke/prod/ask so many damn questions that they just want you to S tfu.

In fact, I just placed an order for Vermillion's 3rd party net. Like Mann said, good juice is good juice. BUT(!!!) being an artist myself, I can sense the pride that the in house extract vendors have in their product and the enthusiasm they have when discussing their wares. Props to the vendors reading this; you know whom I speak of.

 

[Mr.Mann]

You should write a guest column on RPad.TV on your NET investigations! It's really good stuff.

Thanks.

Honestly, as much as I wish it was different, I know put a lot of this stuff into orbit, so I need to make sure I keep in line with never failing to look deeper.

This began when I learned what an OEA extraction into a subsequent distillation process actually entailed--there's no way they had those capabilities on site. I asked and Adam showed me the type of professional he is. Gold star!

It's kinda funny though, it helps to explain the lack of info about their process.

And I will also say that HHV is back as one of my go-to vendors! Adam was most gracious about being honest with me and for that, he will get my business again. Dragon's Fire and Huntsman are calling me.

I think I will continue to support Ahlusion too. As if there was ever a chance I wouldn't. A+

 

[shatner]

I use direct-drippers too. Vapage recently had a 50% coupon (posted by y cherry y, I believe) and I picked up 10 at a great price. I love HH357s, but they're pricey. Those Stingrays look interesting. I'll probably give them a shot in the future.

The stingrays are my current favorite. They last forever. So do the Smarvapes 1.8 Ohm.

 

[shatner]

You should write a guest column on RPad.TV on your NET investigations! It's really good stuff.

YES!!!

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referring to RPad's Mr. Mann Net emporium idea.

 

[shatner]

Not so much a VCV fan anymore, Mr.Mann?

 

[Mr.Mann]

How important is vapability right out of the box? Does this matter to any of you all? Are there any NET vapers that don't dig on the steeping?

p.s. I'll be back in the shadows very soon...

 

[Mr.Mann]

Not so much a VCV fan anymore, Mr.Mann?

I LOVE Julie and VCV. I really like Blue Beard and White Beard when fresh (I don't dig them after a long steep), but that's neither here nor there. They are a good group of people and I'll always recommend them to people looking for something they offer. But, when they said:

"While our flavorings themselves claim to be made and suspended only in VG, when it comes to medical safety and an EXTREME allergy - I would advise you to assume it has trace amounts of PG..."

that can only be coming from a place of third party flavorings. Their tobacco is extracted in-house.

I do NOT know if this little bit of info has any merit, but Flavourart has a line called Velvet Cloud that is all VG. Coincidence? I dunno. Does it matter? No.

Hell, I will likely always buy from Vapor Station and I think most people know that their liquids are made in India. I can't wait until Dover's plane touches down.

 

[shatner]

How important is vapability right out of the box? Does this matter to any of you all? Are there any NET vapers that don't dig on the steeping?

p.s. I'll be back in the shadows very soon...

Take it or leave it for me. It's nice to have insta-vape pleasure. But if it's a treat after a nice steep, a la Smooth Criminal, I don't mind waiting.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Take it or leave it for me. It's nice to have insta-vape pleasure. But if it's a treat after a nice steep, a la Smooth Criminal, I don't mind waiting.

I HATE steeping! LOL. I hate it, I hate it. But, boy do I love the rewards.

 

[jefsview]

I'm not big on the steep, either. But it works.

I think we would all love the instant gratification in our investment. We had to wait for the juices to ship to us in the first place (in most cases), and then, what? Wait another month for it to be enjoyable? Might as well go pick up a pack of cigs, put it in a drawer for 2 months and see how fresh that sucker is Yep, steeping is worth it.

 

[shatner]

I HATE steeping! LOL. I hate it, I hate it. But, boy do I love the rewards.

I'm the same way.

 

[shatner]

I'm not big on the steep, either. But it works.

I think we would all love the instant gratification in our investment. We had to wait for the juices to ship to us in the first place (in most cases), and then, what? Wait another month for it to be enjoyable? Might as well go pick up a pack of cigs, put it in a drawer for 2 months and see how fresh that sucker is Yep, steeping is worth it.

Just wait for Ahlusion XPress liquid. I know we keep saying that, but the few that have had it swear by it.

 

[flowerpots]

What about this notion of transparency? How much does that matter? How much information should be disclosed?

I don't feel comfortable buying from anyone, any product from any store, either online or a physical store that seems shady and won't either explain to you who they are or explain their products well. Transparency is huge with me, more so than price or even consistency - I don't cook my spaghetti sauce (which I am making tonight, btw) the exact same every time. Even if I use the exact same ingredients, it can turn out differently sometimes. That's just how it goes when you cook. I accept that. So, I accept that my juices from any given vendor may vary some from order to order. As long as it's consistent enough that it's not a completely different juice or horrible tasting, I'm okay with that. But, consistency in what you can reasonably control perfectly, I do like...like customer service or packaging. Those things are easy to replicate exactly over and over from one customer to the next.

Great questions, Mann!

 

[flowerpots]

....and Beeliquid too

What do you recommend from Bee?

 

[Mr.Mann]

What do you recommend from Bee?

Got to ask Shatner or Luce, err, Shatner about them. I have only talked with Bee, but until they get their sample packs, I can't dive in.