Natural Tobaccos

[boomerdude]

I use these methods both hot and cold extraction. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cco/354182-pipe-tobacco-cigar-extraction.html

I'm at 12 mg. right now so I figure 2mg. from the extract and I add my base with 10 mg. to get 12 mg.

It's not complicated. I use plastic Jello cups. Put in the tobacco so it's to the top without pressing down. Add PG so the TB is covered. Wait for the PG to be absorbed and top up the container. I use Parafilm to cover the container but saran wrap is okay also. Fifteen seconds on high to nuke it then press and stir. Let it sit for a day and repeat. Then I let it sit, covered for three days. I use the syringe filter method described in the link above. I get about 120 mls. of concentrate from 1/2 ounce of tobacco or half a Toro cigar. I use the extract at 25% in recipes. Hope this helps.

Boomer, that sounds exciting.

I would really be interested in trying a cold maceration. Would you be able to direct me to a link to a good manual on how to do it?

Also, do you add extra nicotine or is the nicotine from the extract sufficient for you?

 

[chaze]

So I'm about to place my next HHV order - Huntsman, Legend, and Serendipity. I'm moving from 12mg to 6mg. I generally order a 60/40 pg/vg mix. If I want to increase the tobacco flavor of these juices and putting flavor on top of the flavor/vapor/throat-hit list, what should my pg/vg ratio be?
I know these juices are in the "purity" line. Does that mean all the extract is carried in the vg?
Thanks in advance!

 

[gthompson]

The extracts are done with organic ethyl alcohol, so unless you add PG, there isn't any PG.

 

[Mr.Mann]

The extracts are done with organic ethyl alcohol, so unless you add PG, there isn't any PG.

And then run though a distillation process. That's a process that yields "clean" extracts (solids removed) and what can produce, what is generally referred to as, "essential waters." All that means is that they are akin to essential oils, but they are water soluble, and are able to be used as flavorings. (edit, see post #15079)

None of that means the liquids will be to your liking, just that the issue of particulate matter will not be what it is for simple soaks.

 

[gthompson]

That's a really good description MM and I've not heard it put that way before.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Oh, and that also means that there will not be a "set" amount of solvent (PG/VG) that comes standard with the liquids.

 

[chaze]

So that means a higher pg will carry more flavor, correct? I don't always get tobacco as the main flavor in the HHV juices. It seems to fluctuate.

 

[gthompson]

No matter how much PG you add to (most of) the HHV tobaccos, they remain light weight tobacco wise.

 

[Mr.Mann]

So that means a higher pg will carry more flavor, correct?

It really depends, but it is the common wisdom.

I don't always get tobacco as the main flavor in the HHV juices. It seems to fluctuate.

Whoever makes those extracts, I think it is safe to say, adds flavorings on top of the tobaccos. The eliquids are said by Adam to be only containing the extract (of course plus solvents), so what you are tasting is a mixture of proprietary flavorings either pre-extraction, or in combination with the tobacco extraction.

 

[RPadTV]

Here's my latest Want2Vape review, which includes two NETs. I really enjoyed W2V RY4. It's caramel and tobacco heavy, but the great tobacco taste sets it apart from most Western-style RY4s. The Blond was very surprising -- a dead-ringer for the distinct Acid Blondie cigar. Want2Vape nailed the flavor on that one. Full review and steeping notes here.

 

[Jerms]

I've been flat out with work and study and the occasional night out when there has been a chance to keep sane and break up all the lonely hours on my derriere studying.

I totally read that as.. all the lonely hours that you spent "derriere studying"; instead of how you meant, studying while on your derriere. I was briefly very intrigued at what consists of derriere studying and how I can get involved in it..

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[Jerms]

Enjoying some Goodejuice Organic #1 this morning. Kind of forgot about it. It was one of the first NETs I ordered. I love this stuff. Might be the smoothest NET I have had. Hints of cocoa and clove, just a slight, very natural sweetness to it. A little bit chalky, but not excessively. To me it doesn't have a very strong tobacco flavor. It doesn't fit the profile of what I usually go for, but this remains one of my favorites. OG#1, the smooth gangsta.

That bumps up Organic #1 another notch for GeJ I need to try still. Sounds very original.

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[Jerms]

So that means a higher pg will carry more flavor, correct?

It really depends, but it is the common wisdom.

PG carries more flavor is the common wisdom? Yes sir it is, but is it true? I've thought so, and have said so (based on what I've heard), and it very well may be true.

But I received this info from a mixer/vendor that I thought was very interesting. How true it is I can't say, but it is a curious statement. Here's the gist, I'm changing the wording a little but not the meaning..

I use VG as much as possible. I find VG to be more flavor transparent that PG and will taste exactly like what you put in it. A good thing if using flavorings that taste good, but bad if you use poor quality flavorings. Even though it's believed that PG brings out better flavor, it really masks off flavors of lesser quality flavorings.

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[Jerms]

Here's my latest Want2Vape review, which includes two NETs. I really enjoyed W2V RY4. It's caramel and tobacco heavy, but the great tobacco taste sets it apart from most Western-style RY4s. The Blond was very surprising -- a dead-ringer for the distinct Acid Blondie cigar. Want2Vape nailed the flavor on that one. Full review and steeping notes here.

Really great review Ray. I dig the opening and backround music.. but I had to start the review over halfway through because it was distracting me from what you were saying. To be fair though, I'm easily distracted, and I never complained about the distraction from your attractive female friend, so grain of salt lol.

The W2V RY4 I look forward to. I'm getting an abundance of blended synthetic RY4s with a lack of NET RY4s, so need to fix that. I'm also looking forward to Darth Vapers NET RY4, and could use a reorder of GJ4. Rock Star I plan to try too.

Have you had CI Cigar (not Coffee-Infused Cigar) yet? To me (not to most it seems, but very much to me) it's a much better vape than Blond while being very similar in style. I really like Blond, but love CI. The flavors just play better to me and is something I want to vape more often.

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[VaporMizer]

And then run though a distillation process. That's a process that yields "clean" extracts (solids removed) and what can produce, what is generally referred to as, "essential waters." All that means is that they are akin to essential oils, but they are water soluble, and are able to be used as flavorings (essential oils should not be used for human consumption, but people will label many unqualified extracts as essential oil, so it's not a given what is what.)

None of that means the liquids will be to your liking, just that the issue of particulate matter will not be what it is for simple soaks.

Distillation does leave behind all the particulate matter and even more important it leaves behind the sugars, pigments, and fats that could never be filtered out...but that does mean other flavors would almost have to be added, at least sweeteners...probably more to make the flavor seem complete since water soluble flavanoids are also left behind.

That new small scale microwave steam distillation method developed at Oregon State University can produce top notch essential oils and hydrosol without using any solvent at all...just using the water in the plants plus ice, supposedly the best method yet for extracting essential oils because of the limited exposure to heat. It's really fairly close to the methods used to produce what the the tobacco industry calls Roasted Tobacco Volatiles.

I disagree about Essential Oils though, they are consumed constantly, they are used as food and beverage flavorings everywhere, and aromatherapy, etc. Even the hydrosol or essentials waters get their flavor from essential oils plus some plant acids. Hydrosol (or essential waters) is just what's left after the main essential oils are seperated. Essential oils are the volatile aromatic compounds and are really the only extract you can be sure will fully vaporize without leaving residue because they are gathered by condesing vapor.

 

[scarf-ace]

Ditto what Vapormizer said. If you've ever accidentally eaten a piece of orange rind, you have consumed orange essential oil.

Probably still a good idea to avoid eating them in quantity though. Although I once added a few drops of chamomile EO to a cup of hot water when I was out of tea bags.

No contributions to the thread lately because it's been a non-tobacco kinda week. Vaping happily on Ahlusion Blueberry Vanilla Cake, Plume Room Buttery Cinnamon Roll, and old favorite TastyVapor Peach Cobbler. But I am feeling the pull, so I will vape some tobacco later on. Maybe Puros, haven't vaped that in a while. Also got Serendipity in the big VMOD...but I almost don't consider that to be tobacco...it's pure sexay bliss.

 

[scarf-ace]

Just a small review here on Scarf-ace's Ramon Allones Net Extraction.

I have sampled this little gem a few times since I acquired it from Scarfy a few months ago. It plays like a stogie and reminds me a bit of Paris or London. It also reminds me a bit of County Squire from My Vape Juice. It's a rich medium bodied tobacco with a chocolate tinge.

I decided to put it in my AGA-T2 to get the most out of the flavour of this homemade liquid and to see if I could pick up on some more complexity. It is more flavoursome in the AGA. Any other atty I used it in didn't quite do it justice. The liquid is ashy, pungent, stogie like. It plays like Paris from W2v which, coming from me, is nothing short of a full complement. I am loving this liquid after a solid meal. The mouthfeel is deep and lingers on the palate like a real cigar might. If there are any negatives at all it would be that I just wished the flavour was a bit more pronounced. An extra extract would make this juice perfect for what it is which is an extraction of a good quality cigar which retails in Australia for about $24.

Great work Scarfy. A real gem of a liquid which satisfies my urge for a rich, ashy stogie.

Thanks for the compliments. More stuff should be landing in people's mailboxes this week.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Distillation does leave behind all the particulate matter and even more important it leaves behind the sugars, pigments, and fats that could never be filtered out...but that does mean other flavors would almost have to be added, at least sweeteners...probably more to make the flavor seem complete since water soluble flavanoids are also left behind.

That new small scale microwave steam distillation method developed at Oregon State University can produce top notch essential oils and hydrosol without using any solvent at all...just using the water in the plants plus ice, supposedly the best method yet for extracting essential oils because of the limited exposure to heat. It's really fairly close to the methods used to produce what the the tobacco industry calls Roasted Tobacco Volatiles.

I disagree about Essential Oils though, they are consumed constantly, they are used as food and beverage flavorings everywhere, and aromatherapy, etc. Even the hydrosol or essentials waters get their flavor from essential oils plus some plant acids. Hydrosol (or essential waters) is just what's left after the main essential oils are seperated. Essential oils are the volatile aromatic compounds and are really the only extract you can be sure will fully vaporize without leaving residue because they are gathered by condesing vapor.

You're correct about some essential oils being safe, or at least GRAS ingredients. Some are therapeutic grade also, but to see "essential oil" as the only tag, does not distinguish what grade or what quality. I should have said not all essential oils should be considered safe for human consumption, and some some may require dilution to be recognized as safe.

 

[RPadTV]

Really great review Ray. I dig the opening and backround music.. but I had to start the review over halfway through because it was distracting me from what you were saying. To be fair though, I'm easily distracted, and I never complained about the distraction from your attractive female friend, so grain of salt lol.

The W2V RY4 I look forward to. I'm getting an abundance of blended synthetic RY4s with a lack of NET RY4s, so need to fix that. I'm also looking forward to Darth Vapers NET RY4, and could use a reorder of GJ4. Rock Star I plan to try too.

Have you had CI Cigar (not Coffee-Infused Cigar) yet? To me (not to most it seems, but very much to me) it's a much better vape than Blond while being very similar in style. I really like Blond, but love CI. The flavors just play better to me and is something I want to vape more often.

Thanks sir! For the NET RY4s I've tried, I would put W2V RY4 ahead of MoV Full Virginia Flake and behind GeJ GJ4.

I have not tried CI Cigar yet, but perhaps down the road. I wanted to try W2V's Campfire Coffee (also NET) first.

 

[djeleveneleven]

Vendor: Vermillion River Ejuice
Liquid: Kentucky Premium Blend
Thoughts: Best tobacco I have found since I began over 3 years ago. I have tried some bad ones. This is good after meals and everything a cigarette was good for, but I now favor this taste over a cigarette anyday. The key is to have a taste you love to come back to for years, just like a cigarette as they were quite delicious. Its a hint of caramel, nutty undertones, vanilla, maybe dark chocolate and a special premium nicotine that i think helps add to the natural flavor. The nicotine is made by alchem here is a bit about it off the site.

Nicotine USP/EP (C10H14N2).

Alchem International’s Nicotine USP/EP is isolated from tobacco leaves by a series of extraction and purification stages specifically developed to give e-liquid manufacturers a natural (non-synthetic) superior nicotine liquid. Our proprietary process produces a nicotine noted for its superior flavour profile and stability (inferior products have a tendency to oxidize). Alchem International’s Nicotine USP/EP liquids are the product of choice for Electronic Cigarettes (e-liquids) and other flavour applications across Europe and USA.