Yep they are, was happy to get one at a great price.
I agree with the EPM. I'll send you my mailing address. Send it out tomorrow please, as I need it ASAP
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Yep they are, was happy to get one at a great price.
I agree with the EPM. I'll send you my mailing address. Send it out tomorrow please, as I need it ASAP
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My Gandalf is my road dog...Jerome. My first EPM and my most beloved despite the other "fancy" high end ones I have acquired. Plus he took a few falls so he just got back from Dr. Matt at the EPM chop shop and I ain;t letting him leave the house these days. Sorry dude, Jerome ain't going anywhere.
My Gandalf is my road dog...Jerome. My first EPM and my most beloved despite the other "fancy" high end ones I have acquired. Plus he took a few falls so he just got back from Dr. Matt at the EPM chop shop and I ain;t letting him leave the house these days. Sorry dude, Jerome ain't going anywhere.
Broke into Ahlusion's Gold Rising, it's at about a month old. Very odd juice, sold as their take on the original RY4 with "improved flavor notes". Not sure how they came to that, it's nothing like an RY4 which has tobacco, caramel, and vanilla. Though it doesn't say so on the site, I've heard others say it's more like a honey tobacco. I can see that, but not sure if I would have came to that on my own. It is more honey tobacco than RY4 to me. Though it doesn't make me think RY4 in any way, it does sort of play like an old school Chinese tobacco.. kind of, maybe,possibly.
So ignoring what it's suppose to be or trying to be, Gold Rising is a vape I'm liking a lot. It's unique and I really like the flavor. It's fascinated me since I got it; unusual (though not unpleasant) scent, and it's been fun watching it change into this almost glowing yellowish color, and now more amber. Like the other new-ish juices from Ahl's non-aro line, Sahara and Dulce, this too feels like extracted tobacco is just one of the ingredients used, and just a part of the flavor. There's other ingredients going on; natural or artificial flavorings that make it feel like Ahlusion was going for a specific flavor profile that's unique and complex.
I'm highly enjoying this, and hope it has legs. If I get the gumption to do a review, I have a feeling it'll get pretty high marks.
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So ignoring what it's suppose to be or trying to be, Gold Rising is a vape I'm liking a lot. It's unique and I really like the flavor. It's fascinated me since I got it; unusual (though not unpleasant) scent, and it's been fun watching it change into this almost glowing yellowish color, and now more amber. Like the other new-ish juices from Ahl's non-aro line, Sahara and Dulce, this too feels like extracted tobacco is just one of the ingredients used, and just a part of the flavor. There's other ingredients going on; natural or artificial flavorings that make it feel like Ahlusion was going for a specific flavor profile that's unique and complex.
I'm highly enjoying this, and hope it has legs. If I get the gumption to do a review, I have a feeling it'll get pretty high marks.
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Jerms,
Someone, most likely billherbst or MrMann, said that Gold Rising is a close take on the original RY4 of which the recipe was lost. It was the second recipe that took on caramel and vanilla more...
I have no idea myself... just passing on what I've read a few times.
Someone, most likely billherbst or MrMann, said that Gold Rising is a close take on the original RY4 of which the recipe was lost. It was the second recipe that took on caramel and vanilla more...
I have no idea myself... just passing on what I've read a few times.
Calling Bill! Lol. I've heard many conflicting stories about the origin of RY4. It's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma. I think our resident RY4 guru Bill knows the ins and outs of the theories better than anyone, and still probably can't say for certain what's the honest to God truth.
What I wonder, when Ahlusion states that it's based on the "original" RY4, which story of origin are they going by? My personal opinion though, when you sell an RY4 it would be best to go after what 99.9% of vapers think of when they hear RY4.. vanilla, caramel, and tobacco. Lucky for me, it's a juice I enjoy despite the confusing description.
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I think that's right. And the big non-tobacco element in it is certainly honey. But it seems like honey without the sweetness to me.
I have no ideas one way or another about RY#s, but I can tell you that Gold Rising, aside from it's validity in the RY4 genre, is a great juice. Personally, it acts (not necessarily tastes) more like the original type RY4s then most other more modern RY4s that I've had; but then again, I've had less than 15 RY4s where as Bill has had well over 100.
I think Wlad would have done well by not even putting the name RY4 any where in the description. I think it was Scarf that was the blame for that going up (thank you, Scarf. LOL). Wlad made it last year but then canned the idea and didn't want to get into that type of arena. I can see why. RY4s have way more scrutiny than NET vapers ever could. Maybe it's because it's simpler? Maybe because it is so tied to the origin of vaping? Dunno.
Just read that. That's what I meant when I said "it acts (not necessarily tastes) more like the original type RY4s." To me, and this is just me, whether it has honey or not, when I taste BWB's RY4 vs. Smokeless Image/Bloog RY4, I get ZERO connection. When I pit SI/Bloog RY4 vs. GR, I can see much more connection. Actually, I taste no caramel, vanilla, or for crying out loud, tobacco in those original RY4s (it's just a unified mystery flavor to me). That's the thing for me I always found funny--I read all the time that there is no honey in RY4 (I understand that), but hell, there was no tobacco in the original RY4 either.
Just read that. That's what I meant when I said "it acts (not necessarily tastes) more like the original type RY4s." To me, and this is just me, whether it has honey or not, when I taste BWB's RY4 vs. Smokeless Image/Bloog RY4, I get ZERO connection. When I pit SI/Bloog RY4 vs. GR, I can see much more connection. Actually, I taste no caramel, vanilla, or for crying out loud, tobacco in those original RY4s (it's just a unified mystery flavor to me). That's the thing for me I always found funny--I read all the time that there is no honey in RY4 (I understand that), but hell, there was no tobacco in the original RY4 either.
Yeah I know what you mean. Vaping Janty RY4s, Classic and DK, with DK being most likely "original" RY4 recipe according to Bill (correct me if I'm wrong Bill) I don't taste separate vanilla, caramel, and tobacco, even though those are in the ingredients. It's a unified flavor, with the sum being different than the parts, which is what's so special about RY4s in Bill's "classic" category. And as NET vapers, our idea of tobacco is quite different than the Chinese representation of tobacco in their juices.
Gold Rising seems to have something going on that reminds me of Chinese "tobaccos". A certain hard-to-describe something that contains almost a tang or brightness. Oddly enough, my guess would be it's ingredients other than the tobacco extract that gives Gold Rising it's Chinese-y tobacco lean. While the tobacco extract gives it what I recognise as real tobacco, the ingredients that play with it gives the juice an interesting spin and make it unique and original.
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Of course I had to break mine out, and yes, it is bright as all get out. Mine only has a sweet essence, but it isn't sweet. Oh, and maybe I have had more than 15 RY4s, but the point is that they were all so random (most unmemorable) and I would have to keep billherbst type notes to wrap my brain around them. I have had so many RY4s that were as disparate as flavors that weren't even in the same category. Yes, I take it that they had the 3 main ingredients, but you can do a lot with Red, Blue and Yellow. LOL.
As I am vaping this 5 month old GR, I have to say, I am with you Jerms. What he did with this juice plays so much like a NET-style Chinese tobacco that it's crazy. For me it's dry, bright, zippy and sweet around the edges. Maybe it's made up of secondary notes as opposed to primary ones, but damn, IMO this juice is classic eliquid style.
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Highly recommend Janty DK. It's still my favorite RY4.
As for the Gold Rising question, Mann didn't make the comparison to the original "lost" formula and Bill definitely did not. People are guessing that it might be an homage to Ruyan 4, which predates Janty's original RY4.
Edit: I still wish Wlad would make a true NET RY4. The results, I'm sure, would be outstanding.
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I have to admit that I'm enamored with the caramel and vanilla based RY4's and they are what I think of first when I hear that an e-liquid is of that style... Perhaps if we think of them more as a genre instead of a specific recipe, it would fit a wider range that is described as a sweet and smooth tobacco instead. Whatever we define them as... I do know that I like many of them and I'm glad to have the wider variety instead of all of them tasting the same.
Someone certainly did make that comparison to the original Ruyan, if not Mr.Mann or billherbst... it was someone else and it was in this thread and it was repeated more than once. I'm certain of this.
Me too. Ahl's caramel is outstanding. I'd like to see them make a NET with caramel, vanilla, and whatever tobacco Wlad would think to go best with it. Call it something like All American RY4 or Ahlusion's RY4. Forget any notions of the different RY4s available and make the best NET possible with those trifecta of ingredients. Hell, forget RY4 and call it Caramel Vanilla Tobacco. We'll still refer to it as Ahlusion's RY4 lol. While at it, make a Salty RY4 with their new salty caramel flavor.
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Well, coincidentally I am vaping Backwoods Brew RY4 right now. It is wonderful
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Shut up you
I'm not jelous, I've heard Don used his armpit sweat as the secret magical ingredient.
I still love my Janty Classic RY4 (like Ray's prefered Janty DK RY4, but better).
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This stuff is what an RY4 SHOULD be, period. The softest, most subtle balance of vanilla and spun sugar with BWB trademark fresh and grassy tobacco base. A triumph
Send it with me along with the Jerome and I'll be the judge of that.
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