Natural Tobaccos

[Bob Chill]

Almost 6 months of vaping and I still can't decide if I'm an RY4 guy either! My favorite so far is Full Virginia Flake from Mountain Oak. Haven't tried GJ4 yet...

Same here dgm! I haven't tried GJ4 yet either but am pretty sure I'll like it. As long as a good tobacco is the star, an RY4 has some promise in my book. If the tobacco is in the backseat, not so much.

Tobacco is definitely without question the star. The caramel/vanilla part is "just noticeable". OuRwhYqu4tro from quick nic is even more heavy on the tobacco side. Pipe style.

I've done the synthetics. Some I like a lot but I don't consider them a tobacco vape at all. Just a complex blend of the usual suspects. GJ4 is a must try for anyone looking for a real tobacco flave that is cut with some smooth flavorings.

Another inbetweener is ky4 from vermillion river. It's sweeter and probably not a net but definitely a nice tobacco flavor on the front. I could vape GJ4 and ky4 exclusively for a week and be satisfied.

Vita Bella is another must try net if you're looking for something that's not too in the face but still mostly tobacco with sweeter undertones. Mine is only steeped a couple weeks and I keep trying to talk myself out of dripping it but I keep going back saying "just one more time". lol. Luckily I bought a 30ml that is OFF LIMITS for 1 month minimum.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Yeah....no. I almost started to kind of like it...and then the bad thing came. I get it, but this stuff is a big NO from me.

Brilliant flick!

 

[billherbst]

Classic RY4 doesn't have much tobacco "presence," nor should it. The flavor profile is designed to blend/meld together the individual flavorings of a mild, neutral synthetic tobacco, caramel, and vanilla into a balanced, seamless, and singular overall flavor. If you can distinguish any of the individual ingredients in an obvious way when vaping an RY4, then it isn't Classic, it's what I call Custom (and RPadTV calls "Modern" or "Western"). Chinese-made RY4s are typically Classic, while American-made RY4s tend to be mostly Custom. Some American vendors sell Classic RY4 under their own label, but those are usually out-sourced and manufactured in China.

NET-based RY4s are almost invariably Custom, since naturally extracted tobacco is---by its very nature---more emphatic in its tobacco-ness. Custom RY4s come in many variations, of course. Some are caramel-rich or vanilla-rich, others use a stronger, more potent synthetic tobacco flavoring, and still others just push the flavor envelope by stretching beyond the RY4 trinity of tobacco, caramel, and vanilla by substituting other flavors for one of the basic three (examples would include maple, butterscotch, or cotton candy in place of caramel) or simply by using additional flavors on top of the core three (examples of additional flavors include nuts, custard, or citrus).

So, Classic RY4s are TINOs. They're not meant to be tobacco blends. If you want an RY4 with an authentic tobacco presence, get an NET-based RY4.

Here's a list of NET-based RY4s:

DarthVapers RY4 (in-house NET)
GoodEJuice GJ4 (in-house NET)
HighbrowVapor Highbrowbacco RY4 (NET, source unknown)
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4 (Tobacco Absolute)
Mom&PopVaporShop RY4v2 (Tobacco Absolute)
Mom&PopVaporShop RYO4 (Tobacco Extract, a cousin of Tobacco Absolute)
Moondrop RY4 (Tobacco Absolute)
MountainOakVapors Full Virginia Flake RY4 (in-house NET)
MyVapeJuice Rogue RY4 (in-house NET)
PrimeVaping PV4 (NET, unknown source)
QuickNicJuice RY4 (Tobacco Absolute, I think)
QuickNicJuice ouR whY Qu4tro (in-house NET)
SpringVapor Fall Harvest RY4 (NET type/source unknown)
SpringVapor Black Label RY4 (NET type/source unknown)
SpringVapor Black Label RY4 - Day and Night (NET type/source unknown)
VapeRite Organic VR4 (in-house NET)
VapeRite RY4 (in-house NET?)
VaporStation VS4 (Tobacco Absolute/NET blend)
Want2Vape RY4 (in-house NET)
Want2Vape Rock Star (in-house NET?)

(Ahlusion Gold Rising isn't on the list because it lives outside the flavor profile of RY4. I like Gold Rising, but it's not an RY4.)

 

[Big Juicy]

Brilliant flick!

It has its moments, namely Gandhi going completely scary ballistic. Plus the first 5 minutes of that film are delicious.

 

[johni]

Scarf, your Dunhill juice is off the chain good! Nic buzzed from it as I'm writing. Your extractions inspired me last winter but I talked myself out of doing my own. Well, I'm shopping tobaccos now and just ordered 1 gallon each PG and VG. Thank you for the opportunity to try your excellent extractions!

 

[AnthonyB]

I have candied cavendish. It's banana? I don't taste banana at all but admittedly, I haven't vaped it in a month. I might pull it out now and give it a hit..

(5 minutes later)

Candied Cavendish is divine. I don't know why I kept it in the back of the pack for so long. It's only now that you mention that, Bill, that I pick up any banana in it and even then, I still wouldn't feel like I am vaping a juice that tastes like banana. It's faint and very much embued in the cav and sweet infusion.

Anthony and all,

Just for the record, Candied Cavendish from ThePlumeRoom is an NET-based tobacco-banana blend, and it's been around for at least ten months. It's a good one, too.

 

[AnthonyB]

oh... well... err in that case, I refuse to vape Patriot, Acid Blondie, Habana Daydream, Wild Turkey, Serendipity, Dragon's Fire and Huntsman and so many others...

Don't let the name be the deciding factor for you, AB. This stuff is really good, and after a week's steep it's really coming alive. Don't make me send you a bottle...

 

[AnthonyB]

Agreed. That movie is an immortal classic. Rock'n'roller (same director, with similar black comedy cockney English actors gangster movie) tried to be as good as Snatch but fell short.

'if I give a dog a bone I don't want to know if it liked it'. 'I don't care if he is Mohammed I'm 'Ard Bruce Lee, you can't change the fighter'

Pete, did you catch Snatch again on Sundance last night too?

I hadn't seen it in a long time...but damnit BRICKTOP is one of my favorite characters of all time.

 

[dw'struth]

Great thread, guys! I ordered a bottle of Illusion's "Bluegrass Burley" this morning. How long does it usually take them to ship their juices?

I am a little anxious.....

I finally got mine after a USPS delay. After being off of the stinkies for a while, I think this stuff might be too much like a real cig! l

I do like it. I first tried it in my Igo-L, and it was a bit much. However, I am really enjoying it out of my Evods. Is there any benefit in steeping this type of juice? Thanks

 

[billherbst]

Candied Cavendish is divine. I don't know why I kept it in the back of the pack for so long. It's only now that you mention that, Bill, that I pick up any banana in it and even then, I still wouldn't feel like I am vaping a juice that tastes like banana. It's faint and very much embued in the cav and sweet infusion.

Yes, Candied Cavendish is, in my opinion, ThePlumeRoom's flagship NET blend. Andrea has crafted it with a very deft hand. The banana is subtle, rather than in-your-face banana-rama-slama-jama.

Funny about brains. Pattern recognition and frame-of-reference expectation are connected, especially with flavors. Without an external reference, the brain may not "see" a given flavor. Expect it, however, and there it is. That's why blind taste tests can sometimes flummox even the most sophisticated, sensitive palate.

 

[boomerdude]

Holey Moley! First I'm tasting Bourbon in Hey, Jack and now your telling me Rock Star is an RY4? I tasted beer flavoring in my sample bottle and that steered me away from it. Bourbon, Beer, for someone who doesn't drink alcohol I'm getting some weird cravings or somethin'.

Want2Vape Rock Star (in-house NET?)

 

[billherbst]

Holey Moley! First I'm tasting Bourbon in Hey, Jack and now your telling me Rock Star is an RY4? I tasted beer flavoring in my sample bottle and that steered me away from it. Bourbon, Beer, for someone who doesn't drink alcohol I'm getting some weird cravings or somethin'.

boomerdude,

You tasted beer flavoring in your sample bottle of Rock Star? OK, whatever. I agree that there's something unusual in the flavor profile, but my brain doesn't reach for beer to find a familiar association. What I taste is an atypical and slightly odd caramel, or perhaps a funky substitute for the vanilla. Here's want2vape's description from the Rock Star product page:

"Our twist on RY4. Tobacco, creamy caramel, and ? Lighter and brighter than our RY4,
but don't take that as meaning lightweight. Sweet, fresh and addicting."​

I don't know what the question mark stands for, but I doubt that Donley would use either actual beer or beer flavoring for his mystery ingredient. LOL.

Of course, none of that matters. You taste what you taste, as we all do. If you taste beer, so be it. (Unless you absolutely love beer flavor, however, I doubt that you purchased more Rock Star after your sample bottle.)

 

[Evil Speakers]

All you fellow lovers of Blue Grass Burley... Give Bombay from N-E-T.com a try. Similar flavor profile, but a little more mellow and very slightly sweet. Smokey, earthy and just plain delicious. My favorite from N-E-T so far.

 

[Big Juicy]

Yes, Candied Cavendish is, in my opinion, ThePlumeRoom's flagship NET blend. Andrea has crafted it with a very deft hand. The banana is subtle, rather than in-your-face banana-rama-slama-jama.

Funny about brains. Pattern recognition and frame-of-reference expectation are connected, especially with flavors. Without an external reference, the brain may not "see" a given flavor. Expect it, however, and there it is. That's why blind taste tests can sometimes flummox even the most sophisticated, sensitive palate.

Flagship? Yeah, the S.S. Nasty

 

[boomerdude]

Sometimes I wonder how much damage 50 yrs of smoking did to my taste buds. I tried a lot of RY4's both NET and Lab. Not a one did it for me. But I'm a happy camper with my own NET RY4. It has just the right balance of flavoring to tobacco with the TB out front, the way I like it. I buy one lab juice and a rotation of about 10 NET's that are really good and I can't duplicate no matter how hard I try. I think my Kuba-Kuba is better than Qnc but my Blondie not as good as W2V's. It's nice to be able to taste a lot of fine tobacco's and cigars without the lung damage.Today I'm vaping a rotation of five of my own. A nice Nat Sherman Dominican #2, Some Green River Black Cavendish with toasted Burley and Maple, Black Honey TB, Borkum Riff and 555. All on some JUK23 Dripping Atty's that I like for their simplicity. Life is good.

If you taste beer, so be it. (Unless you absolutely love beer flavor, however, I doubt that you purchased more Rock Star after your sample bottle.)

 

[billherbst]

Sometimes I wonder how much damage 50 yrs of smoking did to my taste buds. I tried a lot of RY4's both NET and Lab. Not a one did it for me. But I'm a happy camper with my own NET RY4. It has just the right balance of flavoring to tobacco with the TB out front, the way I like it. I buy one lab juice and a rotation of about 10 NET's that are really good and I can't duplicate no matter how hard I try. I think my Kuba-Kuba is better than Qnc but my Blondie not as good as W2V's. It's nice to be able to taste a lot of fine tobacco's and cigars without the lung damage.Today I'm vaping a rotation of five of my own. A nice Nat Sherman Dominican #2, Some Green River Black Cavendish with toasted Burley and Maple, Black Honey TB, Borkum Riff and 555. All on some JUK23 Dripping Atty's that I like for their simplicity. Life is good.

I hear you. After more than two years as the CEO and Janitor of The Really Big RY4 Roundup thread, I have days where I think, "If I have to vape even one more RY4 ever again, it's too soon." But it's my job, so I keep at it.

Despite how great some/many retail NET juices are, from my perspective there is nothing like the satisfaction and pleasure that comes from our own home-brewed NETs. You've done more than I have in that arena. The three macerations I've cooked all aimed at making a good, solid, all-natural cigarette extract: Skydancer Native American NET, Nat Sherman MCD NET, and American Spirit Organic NET. I'm both shocked and thrilled at how good they are. Next up for me will be a nice Black Cavendish pipe tobacco.

Yeah, vaping is definitely one of the major factors on the "life is good" side of my teeter-totter. That's especially wonderful, given how much smoking jumped up and down on one side, then the other.

 

[RPadTV]

Want2Vape RY4 (in-house NET)
Want2Vape Rock Star (in-house NET?)

Minor correction for you Sir Bill: W2V RY4 is a NET, but Rock Star is not.

 

[billherbst]

Minor correction for you Sir Bill: W2V RY4 is a NET, but Rock Star is not.

RPad,

I thought so too, but I read somewhere (not on ECF, as I recall, but somewhere else that I can't remember) that Donely had personally told the poster that certain of W2V's synthetic tobaccos were actually hybrids using a combination of lab tobacco flavoring and natural tobacco extract. The post specifically mentioned Rock Star and Morley as hybrids.

I can't verify that one way or the other. It's just what I read, which is why I put a question mark after Rock Star's type.

 

[RPadTV]

RPad,

I thought so too, but I read somewhere (not on ECF, as I recall, but somewhere else that I can't remember) that Donely had personally told the poster that certain of W2V's synthetic tobaccos were actually hybrids using a combination of lab tobacco flavoring and natural tobacco extract. The post specifically mentioned Rock Star and Morley as hybrids.

I can't verify that one way or the other. It's just what I read, which is why I put a question mark after Rock Star's type.

It's a mystery! FWIW, W2V D&C told me that Campfire Coffee, Pure Smoke, Morley, RY4, and Smokey Clove were NET hybrids, while Rock Star does not have a NET base.

 

[Mr.Mann]

It's a mystery! FWIW, W2V D&C told me that Campfire Coffee, Pure Smoke, Morley, RY4, and Smokey Clove were NET hybrids, while Rock Star does not have a NET base.

I love it when, without being told one way or another, it is just too damned hard to tell. I am vaping TPRs Smooth & Mild right now and while I am most certain it's synth, it's a quality "tobacco" of sorts and any other issues with origins of ingredients matters not (it kinda reminds me of Tobacco Haze). Hell, I really like TPRs M-Type (weird). But, I am looking at Candied Cavendish like, hmmm, well, maybe not. It's nanner all right. LOL. I'll break down and try CC again, but my first taste of it last year was not so pleasant for my tastes.

Anyway, Rock Star kinda had that TE taste to it (from what I remember). Does W2V consider TE or TA NET?