Natural Tobaccos

[Bronze]

I dripped all of them with approximately week old attys after cleaning them with atty refresher on a Rider Robust. I will try again at a different v/w and see if that helps. I think it was just my taste buds not cooperating this weekend.

I'm sorry your initial NET experience hasn't met your expectations. I think you have the right attitude though FP. I believe your patience will pay off. Hang in there FP.

I try thinking of a NET spectrum from small tobacco to big tobacco. There will be lots of disagreement but I'm not afraid to start one cuz I don't care what anyone thinks of me. Perhaps this would help you place yourself FP. What do I (we) mean when we say small/big tobacco? Small tobacco would be where the tobacco has less of a presence, often replaced by a sweeter flavor. Big tobacco would be where the only flavor you get is tobacco. Most vendors cater across the spectrum but they also tend to focus most of their offerings in a small range. The spectrum goes by vendor but keep in mind it is a generalization with plenty of exceptions. And I'm sure others (who give a crap) will have their version...which is OK by me because I am leaving off many vendors. A similar spectrum could be developed for individual juices as well.

From small tobacco (leftmost) to big tobacco (rightmost) by vendor....

HHV ---> NETCOM ---> A+ ---> QnJ ---> GeJ ---> Plume Room ---> W2V

 

[Big Juicy]

WOW. I really, really want to see what others takes are on Bronze's "flavor spectrum"

 

[jefsview]

This has been a disappointing vaping weekend for me. I pulled out my steeping NETs from the steep box, all excited to try them. My impressions were not great, but in fairness, I am not an experienced NET vaper, and new to vaping overall @ 6 months now. First off, the W2V Louisville and London were very similar to me- strong aka throaty, ashy, and full-bodied. This is not a bad thing, but it definitely made my eyes bug a little on the first vape. I will revisit them in a few days. GeJ was disappointing - House Blend, 555, and Wrangler Light were just okay, kind of muted to me. Organic #1 is the best of the 4, and one I will probably re-order. And Ahlusion's Jungle Juice felt muted with the banana, so I think it's just been an off weekend for me. All of these NETs have been steeping at least 1 month.

I'm kind of concerned at this point, I like DK-TAB better than most of the NETs I have tried

As others have stated, House Blend and 555 from GeJ are synthetic tobaccos. Wrangler Light is a NET, but needs a dripper to bring out its slight nuances. Don't give up on them. Since you like Organic #1 (which is even better once the colors turns really dark), give Vita Bella a try. It has a similar smoky sweetness.

Also, since you enjoyed Organic #1, might I suggest Huntsman from Heather's Heavenly Vapes, as well as Legend.

 

[malkuth]

I do not know if this would help or not, but this is what I have found.

I tried many of HHV offerings. I found with all of them that there was what I call a harshness to all of them. The harshness is a tickling at the back of the throat, almost an irritation. I do not find that with either the N-E-T line nor do I find it with Ahlusion's offerings. The other 4 vendors mentioned, I have not tried. I do not have the experience or the knowledge to be able to tell one tobacco from another, but based on what I have read here and tried, I seem to prefer the Cavendish and Burley type of tobaccos. I have tried the MOV offerings, and find them lacking as well. I have also yet to find a RY4 that is an acceptable vape for me.

I vape on a REO with a RM2 RBA coiled at about 1.6 ohm and cotton wick. I change the wick daily (with a dry burn) and the battery gets swapped at about 3.7 volts.

 

[billherbst]

WOW. I really, really want to see what others takes are on Bronze's "flavor spectrum"

I wouldn't challenge Bronze's vendor flavor spectrum, since we're talking about personal reactions, not scientific measurements. I will offer my own scale, however.

I haven't vaped any NETs from House of Liquids, Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco, TastyVapor, or Darth Vapers, so I'll leave them off my scale. I'll also omit the more obvious TA vendors (Mom&Pop, Moondrop, VelvetCloudVapor, VermillionRiver, VirginVapor, etc.).

From left to right, small font tobacco to large font tobacco (more arrows mean wider separation):

Cravin'Vapes ---> Heather'sHeavenlyVapes --->--->---> QuickNic / VapeRite / MountainOak / MyVapeJuice ---> Ahlusion non-Aros / ThePlumeRoom --->---> GoodEJuice --->---> Want2Vape / Ahlusion Aromatics (especially BlueGrassBurley and DevilDog)

A problem with the scale is that a given vendor may have a spread of its own. For instance, HHV sells a bunch of popular small-font NET tobacco blends, but they also offer one or two more straightforward and somewhat punchier NETs. Overall, I think most of us would put them on the smaller font end of the scale. A more revealing (and perhaps more accurate) list would include each NET juice by every vendor. But that's a much takes us away from the spirit of this particular exercise in entertaining ourselves.

 

[Bronze]

Agree Bill. It's not easy pigeon holing an entire vendor due to the exceptions. Your HHV example is spot on. And while A+ has a couple punchy tobaccos the bulk of them are in the sm/md category (IMO). I see you broke out aros and nonaros. This is why it is hard to fit these in one spot. I think when someone new to NETs is trying to put together a sampling strategy they tend to look at which vendors might be the best fit for them. We certainly provide those vendor lists when they ask. So as blurry as the spectrum can be, it is still useful to try and place the vendors so that the noob can put together a priority list.

 

[y cherry y]

I wouldn't challenge Bronze's vendor flavor spectrum, since we're talking about personal reactions, not scientific measurements. I will offer my own scale, however.

I haven't vaped any NETs from House of Liquids, Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco, TastyVapor, or Darth Vapers, so I'll leave them off my scale. I'll also omit the more obvious TA vendors (Mom&Pop, Moondrop, VelvetCloudVapor, VermillionRiver, VirginVapor, etc.).

From left to right, small font tobacco to large font tobacco (more arrows mean wider separation):

Cravin'Vapes ---> Heather'sHeavenlyVapes --->--->---> QuickNic / VapeRite / MountainOak / MyVapeJuice ---> Ahlusion non-Aros / ThePlumeRoom --->---> GoodEJuice --->---> Want2Vape / Ahlusion Aromatics (especially BlueGrassBurley and DevilDog)

A problem with the scale is that a given vendor may have a spread of its own. For instance, HHV sells a bunch of popular small-font NET tobacco blends, but they also offer one or two more straightforward and somewhat punchier NETs. Overall, I think most of us would put them on the smaller font end of the scale. A more revealing (and perhaps more accurate) list would include each NET juice by every vendor. But that's a much takes us away from the spirit of this particular exercise in entertaining ourselves.

That's very close to how I'd arrange them, except I've never had Cravin or My Vape Juice, and I might move QuickNic up to just before GeJ, and throw NET. com in that same area.

 

[Jerms]

Received my Kanget ProTank 2. Rockin n rollin with good flavor, draw, and performance.. will take over the Evod as my on-the-go device of choice; and it's really pretty on my K100. Glad the drip tip is changable, a metal drip tip doesn't fly in winter; which here is about 6 months out of the year.

My Kick was crapping out yesterday at work in my K100 bottom firing mech. Mis-fires gallore, and when pressing the button it would often take a second to fire and go on and off. With the Protank today.. flawless operations. So, wasn't my batts, mods, or user error; just a bad connection with that particular Evod or the coil head in it.

Dripping the last drops of Sahara Blend. Sad to see it go, will order more. I bet that one is going to make a solid showing at the next NETty Awards.

Off to the post office. If I told you I would send you something it's going out. Luce.. hope your still on the vape-train, cause I think you'll be happy

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[Mr.Mann]

I wouldn't challenge Bronze's vendor flavor spectrum, since we're talking about personal reactions, not scientific measurements. I will offer my own scale, however.

I haven't vaped any NETs from House of Liquids, Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco, TastyVapor, or Darth Vapers, so I'll leave them off my scale. I'll also omit the more obvious TA vendors (Mom&Pop, Moondrop, VelvetCloudVapor, VermillionRiver, VirginVapor, etc.).

From left to right, small font tobacco to large font tobacco (more arrows mean wider separation):

Cravin'Vapes ---> Heather'sHeavenlyVapes --->--->---> QuickNic / VapeRite / MountainOak / MyVapeJuice ---> Ahlusion non-Aros / ThePlumeRoom --->---> GoodEJuice --->---> Want2Vape / Ahlusion Aromatics (especially BlueGrassBurley and DevilDog)

A problem with the scale is that a given vendor may have a spread of its own. For instance, HHV sells a bunch of popular small-font NET tobacco blends, but they also offer one or two more straightforward and somewhat punchier NETs. Overall, I think most of us would put them on the smaller font end of the scale. A more revealing (and perhaps more accurate) list would include each NET juice by every vendor. But that's a much takes us away from the spirit of this particular exercise in entertaining ourselves.

Yep, I am there with you on this one, bill, with one alteration--I would put TPR in between QnJ and HHV. now, I may have a few more slight variances (once other vendors are added), but I agree with your overall take.

 

[Bronze]

Dang, this Vita Bella is good stuff!

 

[HolmanGT]

Jerms,

Don't know about your misfires (glad it is fixed). Since I started using the Kanger tanks and now the Pro II I can't imagine using anything else - PERIOD.

I really like the easy draw, my top feeders are like sucking a Milkshake thru a swizzle stick.

They are great and dog simple to replace the heating element assembly and if you shop around you can get a pack of five for around $6 rupees. So cheep that it makes the thought of cleaning them seem counter productive.

PS - Never touch you tongue to any metal when the temperature is below 32 F, Ouch!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Agree Bill. It's not easy pigeon holing an entire vendor due to the exceptions. Your HHV example is spot on. And while A+ has a couple punchy tobaccos the bulk of them are in the sm/md category (IMO). I see you broke out aros and nonaros. This is why it is hard to fit these in one spot. I think when someone new to NETs is trying to put together a sampling strategy they tend to look at which vendors might be the best fit for them. We certainly provide those vendor lists when they ask. So as blurry as the spectrum can be, it is still useful to try and place the vendors so that the noob can put together a priority list.

Yes, the several of the 30+ non-aros (some are only available in-store) are, as the website states, "fairly neutral," but the other line (that's what it is, another line) is not neutral at all. I feel sorry for a newb that jumps in to the small font Devil Dog!--they'll think "if this is on the low end, that TPR must be campfire. Whoa. Candied Cavendish must be like sugar coated Rustica set ablaze." LOL.

As a whole, I would put w2v in front of the most straight-forward, adult-tobacco vendors (seeing as how only but a couple, if that, are tobacco + one), but as far as vibrancy and clarity of said tobaccos (in their adult stage), I would go with aromatics.

Having categories can be VERY helpful, which is why I would think more vendors would/should do this with their NETs. Could you imagine the Ahlsuion House Blends right next to the Aromatics? I think this is a problem that Steve at MOV runs into--Apache is right next to Virginal Full Flake. Apache should have its own category.

 

[Bronze]

One of the other problems with a spectrum is defining small vs large tobacco. For example, Habana Daydream is all tobacco (IMO). There isn't anything else in that vape but tobacco. However, it is also a light flavor...pleasant, mild if you will. I still categorize that as a large font tobacco but a mild one. Not sure how others would define a vape like this.

 

[jefsview]

Well, the description/title "Aromatics" sounds casual, inviting, cozy. "Non-Aromatics" sounds as if something is missing.

To a casual observer without knowledge of tobacco blends.

Bluegrass Burly sounds downright charming, yet Devil Dog sounds fiery and harsh.

Lots can be said for naming schemes.

 

[Jerms]

One of the other problems with a spectrum is defining small vs large tobacco. For example, Habana Daydream is all tobacco (IMO). There isn't anything else in that vape but tobacco. However, it is also a light flavor...pleasant, mild if you will. I still categorize that as a large font tobacco but a mild one. Not sure how others would define a vape like this.

I definately take that into consideration when scoring the "tobacco impact" for my reviews. Not just how mild or aggressive the tobacco is, but also how much the tobacco is present in relation to any other flavors; plus also how complex the tobacco is.

From Ahlusion, Blue Grass Burley I'd rate with higher tobacco impact than Vurley. The strenghth of the tobacco may be the same, I don't know, but the strong vanilla presence in Vurley brings down the tobacco impact. Huntsman from HHV and Smooth Criminal from Ahl I'd rate with a fairly high tobacco impact. Not that the tobacco is aggressive, but to me they are all tobacco. Peachy Criminal has less tobacco impact than Smooth Crim, just because of the added peach flavor. Other medium baccos I may rate with less impact if it's less complex. A complex medium tobacco can seem to hit too hard for the casualy vaper, and they may prefer less complexity in a medium tobacco.

One thing that the arti-baccos I've been vaping don't have is a lot of different tobacco notes. Much more one dimensional. Some may be complex flavors, but usually it's a bunch of non-tobacco notes that makes it complex. The Sahara I'm vaping now has layers of flavor. Take away the extracted tobacco, like I hear Apollo's Turkish arti-bacco is, and it's you just flipped the switch from Dolby Surround to mono.

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[Jerms]

Well, the description/title "Aromatics" sounds casual, inviting, cozy. "Non-Aromatics" sounds as if something is missing.

To a casual observer without knowledge of tobacco blends.

Bluegrass Burly sounds downright charming, yet Devil Dog sounds fiery and harsh.

Lots can be said for naming schemes.

They should switch the line names to "how you doin? Wanna chill a bit?" and "what chyou lookin at punk? Wanna get slapped?"

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[Vapo Marx]

Dang, this Vita Bella is good stuff!

It sure is. I've had some trouble with it gunking up my clearomizers but I'm gonna order a big bottle of it anyway. I'll sort it out eventually.

 

[RPadTV]

Received my Kanget ProTank 2. Rockin n rollin with good flavor, draw, and performance.. will take over the Evod as my on-the-go device of choice; and it's really pretty on my K100. Glad the drip tip is changable, a metal drip tip doesn't fly in winter; which here is about 6 months out of the year.

My Kick was crapping out yesterday at work in my K100 bottom firing mech. Mis-fires gallore, and when pressing the button it would often take a second to fire and go on and off. With the Protank today.. flawless operations. So, wasn't my batts, mods, or user error; just a bad connection with that particular Evod or the coil head in it.

Dripping the last drops of Sahara Blend. Sad to see it go, will order more. I bet that one is going to make a solid showing at the next NETty Awards.

Glad to hear your Kick issues have been sorted. I have two originals and one Kick 2. I haven't had problems with any of them.

And yes, dear Sahara Blend. It's still my favorite new juice of 2013. I should probably stock up too, just in case the FDA spoils the party.

 

[Bronze]

It sure is. I've had some trouble with it gunking up my clearomizers but I'm gonna order a big bottle of it anyway. I'll sort it out eventually.

I just rebuild the coils frequently and quit .....ing about it. It seems to help my attitude.

 

[Mr.Mann]

They should switch the line names to "how you doin? Wanna chill a bit?" and "what chyou lookin at punk? Wanna get slapped?"

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Well, the description/title "Aromatics" sounds casual, inviting, cozy. "Non-Aromatics" sounds as if something is missing.

To a casual observer without knowledge of tobacco blends..

Bluegrass Burly sounds downright charming, yet Devil Dog sounds fiery and harsh.

Lots can be said for naming schemes.

Ha! How is this casual?

WARNING: Do not get this or ANY Premium blend available on Ahlusion if you're expecting yet another flavored "tobacco"! These are bold and uncompromising blends! Our Premium blends are not for the casual "tobacco" vaper.

And that's on every aromatic before the description.

But yes, "naming schemes" do carry weight.