Natural Tobaccos

[tortugo23]

If you like cavendish blends, you might also like Black Cavendish and Chris's Blend from NET.com. But they need to steep -- give 3-4 weeks. I'd also recommend from GeJ, Patriot and Organic #1.

I checked out NET.com and ordered Black Cavendish and Chris's Blend, your suggestions helped me decide. I will try Anthony B's Rum Rebellion, Bombay, and Gold another time. Those looked good too. All the Single Varietal Extractions are tempting as well, I have a lot of yummy looking juice to try out! The Chewbacco description sounds good, but the thought of accidentally swallowing some chew turns my stomach.

I got a bottle of Big Spirit for granny too, she has been vaping for about 4 months now. She said she found an old analog while cleaning and tried it (about 2 months in to vaping), and it was so nasty she couldn't finish it. It was hard finding a flavor for her, she likes the cowboy type cig flavors. She used to smoke the cheapest nastiest cigs, all the descriptions on the site sounded like good tobacco, which she hated. She's getting curious about pipe flavors, so I will have to share.

Can anyone explain the extraction methods and why one is chosen over the other?

 

[Scotticus93]

Omg the net.com offerings look great. Look at those Pipe flavors. May be the next thing I try. Are they any good does anyone know. What have you guys tried from this vendor and I guess how would you describe the flavors?


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[ed101z]

Jerms' advice is spot on. I've found cotton wicks to work best (unless you don't mind making a new build of coil and wick) for juices that require regular dry burning of the coil and a must when changing flavors. As far as using silica, I've only ever had luck threading 1 mm silica through a 1.5 mm coil (folding it in half and pulling through the coil using a bead puller), but have had mixed success in removing it and replacing it without ruining the coil. Trying to dry burn a silica wick for a flavor change never worked for me. Cotton is just faster and easier (and cheap).

I find it easier using #500 SS Mesh. It has more endurance than cotton when it comes to NET's. When you roll the wick and insert it in a MicroCoil (5/16 , 5/64 drill bit), OR a Mini Coil (3/32 drill bit)... you can easily spin it out to for easy dry burning. Afterwords, you spin the wick back in, and vape on. I even use both ends of the wick a few times before re-torching the Mesh. And re-torching removes the ring around the Mesh caused by the coil as it burns the juice.

 

[Dusty_D]

Unfortunately without conducting detailed lab studies on each and every component how can we insure that it does not have Diacetyl? Of course we engaged our suppliers and had them verify to us this flavor molecule was not present in the flavors they sold us, but all we have to go on is the suppliers word. It's not as if a flavor house will give any e-liquid manufacturer a detailed list of their flavors ingredients. They consider this to be a trade secret, believe me, we've (all) been trying to get them to cough it up for well over a year, but they will not (unless the FDA requires it, then (some) might).

Considering most flavor houses are using sub components themselves purchased from upper-tier flavor suppliers (who do not wish to do any business directly with e-cigarette companies), even if they give you their most honest word it is not present, it could still very well be in there.

The only way is to have each flavor component tested. A collective group of manufacturer's are working on this task right now, and we are a part of that. Cataloging and testing the individual flavors sold by the various flavor houses on the american market at this time (there are thousands, we personally use hundreds).

If folks want to hang us for being honest about results so be it, but quite frankly I am pretty sure we are ahead of the curve when it comes to this.

Sorry don't mean to hijack the thread, if anyone has any questions about this at all they can PM me personally and I would be happy to talk about it in more detail.

LeDean, I know that you know that you should not be posting in here with business related posts. While I appreciate your post, could you please post the information above in your supplier thread so that if anyone wants to discuss this further has a chance to reply there as well?

PM me if you have any questions.

 

[TexasVet]

The order I rec'd the other day from Ahlusion -
Zing! -
Tarte Tatin Apple -
Lemon Cream - Free Sample
Raspberry Sunset -
Shipwreck -

Has been aired out but I'm waiting on my 2.0 ohm LRCisco 306 attys and XL drip tips to experience the flavors. My first foray into dripping.

UPDATE rambling account

Rec'd the Ciscos and extra drip tips. exposed the mesh and coil to see how it is done. Surprised to find a silica wick covering the coil. Learning curve adjustment. The xtra tip I ordered turned out to not be a 'drip' tip and wouldn't fit the Cisco. It had a sleeve that I tried to remove and cracked the acrylic. Oh well... and the black tips that come on the atty have such a small hole. Must be for a needle syringe, too small for bottle dripping.
The XL drip tip included worked fine, as I expected.
Started with.. 2.0 ohm attys - 3.7 volt regulated Kanger batts

Zing - 5 or 6 drops to saturate, let set, added 2 or 3 more and vaped. zingy! Lemon?, I guess. Tart? Supertartalicious. Liking flavor? maybe. will go back to it another day.
Cleaned atty
Lemon Cream - same saturation method. Is lemony and is creamy. Very good early out of the bottle, may get even better after longer steep but just guessing.
Cleaned atty
Tarte Tatin Apple - same atty route, same atty channel. YES apple is in there, barely. zingy apple plus other ???? spices? Jury is still out.
Cleaned atty
Raspberry Sunset AND Shipwreck holding until I decide if my 'budds' have the flavorability quotient to keep 'dripping' a technique to continue playing with.

Would anyone say 'FRUITS' need a steep or would it depend on how they are made/who makes 'em?

 

[Dusty_D]

Would anyone say 'FRUITS' need a steep or would it depend on how they are made/who makes 'em?

Generally speaking most basic fruit vapes don't seem to require steeping. However, the more complex the formula, the longer it would take for the flavours to come together and work as one. Any dairy type component that goes into the mix would lengthen the steep time. So, definitely how they are made would be crucial with deciding on whether steeping is required or not. Who makes them, I don't think has any relevance to the steep time.

 

[Jerms]

Many of the Ahlusion fruit flavors bloom after a couple weeks. Can start out weak or faint, but after a steep just come alive, often surprisingly more than the first taste hinted at.

Usually the bloom is a good thing for me, but not always. Apple Wild Wood started out fresh with a very subtle apple flavor, which allowed the tobacco to star. After a few weeks the apple bloomed, and while it's a really good apple flavor, it meant the tobacco had to step back a bit. It was still really good, but I prefered it fresh.

 

[y cherry y]

Many of the Ahlusion fruit flavors bloom after a couple weeks. Can start out weak or faint, but after a steep just come alive, often surprisingly more than the first taste hinted at.

Usually the bloom is a good thing for me, but not always. Apple Wild Wood started out fresh with a very subtle apple flavor, which allowed the tobacco to star. After a few weeks the apple bloomed, and while it's a really good apple flavor, it meant the tobacco had to step back a bit. It was still really good, but I prefered it fresh.

Same with Peach WW. But the tobacco gets stronger too. Another juice I like both fresh and aged.

 

[RPadTV]

I know that a few of you were interested in the Aqua, so here's my review. It's currently my favorite atomizer for NETs, bakery vapes, and certain dessert juices. Since it's easy to dual-coil, the heat potential is greater than that of a Kayfun (which is harder to dual-coil). It's brilliant for light-to-medium NETs, as the higher temperature makes it feel more like smoking tobacco. The relatively low capacity (effectively less than 2ml) actually works out for heavier NETs since you usually have to dry burn and/or torch after a tank anyway. I highly recommend the Aqua for NETizens. If you're on a budget, I've heard that the Hcigar clone works great too, but I can't vouch for it personally.

 

[Jerms]

Same with Peach WW. But the tobacco gets stronger too. Another juice I like both fresh and aged.

Then there's the caramel WW that reverse blooms as we've found out, starting out very caramelly and backing off with age. I'm so glad for that, if the caramel bloomed like the fruits it would be too much. I think that's why the caramel flavor is made so strong compared to how the other flavored Wild Woods are made, because Wlad knew it would lessen with age.

It seemed like the caramel took a lot longer to de-bloom than the fruit takes to bloom though. Other than a few of us, most seemed to like the dominant caramel of fresh CWW.

 

[Chinook]

Many of the Ahlusion fruit flavors bloom after a couple weeks. Can start out weak or faint, but after a steep just come alive, often surprisingly more than the first taste hinted at.

Usually the bloom is a good thing for me, but not always. Apple Wild Wood started out fresh with a very subtle apple flavor, which allowed the tobacco to star. After a few weeks the apple bloomed, and while it's a really good apple flavor, it meant the tobacco had to step back a bit. It was still really good, but I prefered it fresh.

How about steeping BGB and Sahara Blend? Do you think a month is a good time for most flavors to come out?

 

[Jerms]

How about steeping BGB and Sahara Blend? Do you think a month is a good time for most flavors to come out?

BGB and the rest of the aromatics are perfect right away. Some will lessen on certain notes with age, but it comes fully flavored. No steeping necessary with aros.

Sahara Blend depends on the person, I liked it both fresh and well steeped, but it does change with age. Nothing very dramatic with my last bottle though.

 

[Chinook]

I checked out NET.com and ordered Black Cavendish and Chris's Blend, your suggestions helped me decide. I will try Anthony B's Rum Rebellion, Bombay, and Gold another time. Those looked good too. All the Single Varietal Extractions are tempting as well, I have a lot of yummy looking juice to try out! The Chewbacco description sounds good, but the thought of accidentally swallowing some chew turns my stomach.

I got a bottle of Big Spirit for granny too, she has been vaping for about 4 months now. She said she found an old analog while cleaning and tried it (about 2 months in to vaping), and it was so nasty she couldn't finish it. It was hard finding a flavor for her, she likes the cowboy type cig flavors. She used to smoke the cheapest nastiest cigs, all the descriptions on the site sounded like good tobacco, which she hated. She's getting curious about pipe flavors, so I will have to share.

Can anyone explain the extraction methods and why one is chosen over the other?

I hope you like these juices. Give them at least 2 weeks steep, then try them once a week between weeks 3 and 4. You should be able to notice the changes. The longer you wait, the more tobacco will come out... Initially shake the bottles, and smell them, stronger aromas should develop as days pass by.

One thing to keep in mind is that Black Cavendish will be clogging your coils faster, so keep that in my mind when you vape it.

Heat extractions will bring out more flavor out of tobacco along with unwanted plant material into the solution. I haven't tried this my self but from reading about it:

Heat Extraction, more intensity but less nuances -- kind of high volume music but with narrow spectrum
Cold Extraction, less intensity, more nuances -- kind of low volume music but with wider spectrum

Overall, people tend to like some of the NETs cold extracted and some heat extracted. It is personal preference mostly, what we can sense, like etc... Best would be for you to order both and see if you can tell the difference and prefer one or the other. Single varietal extracts might be a good place to experiment this I think.

 

[Chinook]

BGB and the rest of the aromatics are perfect right away. Some will lessen on certain notes with age, but it comes fully flavored. No steeping necessary with aros.

Sahara Blend depends on the person, I liked it both fresh and well steeped, but it does change with age. Nothing very dramatic with my last bottle though.

Thanks, nice! Does that mean Ahlusion pre steeps their aromatics maybe with an ultrasonic cleaner?

 

[Jerms]

Thanks, nice! Does that mean Ahlusion pre steeps their aromatics maybe with an ultrasonic cleaner?

Nope, they just happen to not need steeping, not sure why. They may need multiple sessions for someone to get accustomed to them if they are new to ultra authentic tobaccos though.

 

[Chinook]

Nope, they just happen to not need steeping, not sure why. They may need multiple sessions for someone to get accustomed to them if they are new to ultra authentic tobaccos though.

Sounds great With BGB, shall I expect a more authentic experience than NET.com's Black Cavendish and GeJ's Patriot? I assume BGB is more of a "pure" tobacco experience, minimally processed with sugars, casing etc..

Thanks.

 

[Jerms]

Sounds great With BGB, shall I expect a more authentic experience than NET.com's Black Cavendish and GeJ's Patriot? I assume BGB is more of a "pure" tobacco experience, minimally processed with sugars, casing etc..

Thanks.

NETcom and GeJ are pretty authentic, but BGB is more aggressive and authentic. Ahl does a different extraction method, using CO2, which results in a different experience than macerated NET.

 

[RPadTV]

BGB will make you get down on your knees and pray that Wlad lives forever.

 

[Chinook]

NETcom and GeJ are pretty authentic, but BGB is more aggressive and authentic. Ahl does a different extraction method, using CO2, which results in a different experience than macerated NET.

Alright, sounds fantastic! This'll be my first introduction into CO2 extraction!

BGB will make you get down on your knees and pray that Wlad lives forever.

Wlad, the Warrior NET God ?

 

[billherbst]

Shoot, I don't even like BGB all that much, and yet despite that I think it's the best NET ever made.