Having been a color matcher for the industrial sector for 4 years in the early 80's, I have an appreciation for what these juice designers do. Color and flavor have much in common. Basically the same thing except one appeals to the eye and the other to the tongue. But make no mistake, they have their differences. I'm just not sure I could articulate them well. Right Mr. Mann?
Natural Tobaccos
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Having been a color matcher for the industrial sector for 4 years in the early 80's, I have an appreciation for what these juice designers do. Color and flavor have much in common. Basically the same thing except one appeals to the eye and the other to the tongue. But make no mistake, they have their differences. I'm just not sure I could articulate them well. Right Mr. Mann?
So Huntsman, and maybe Dark Horse, are next on my list to try. I think that GJ4 has probably slid up to right behind those on my list. I keep eyeing it. That's probably a pretty "safe" choice for me at GeJ. Besides, the tobacco extract in GJ4 could have come from right here in Tennessee. Most people won't think of Tennessee as a tobacco growing state, but we do produce some, and I believe it's primarily Burley.
Most of the things I know all stem from knowledge of something else. Any two dots that exist in space are invariably connected, all we have to do is draw the line.
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Aha. An RY4 spin off. I don't think JC is net though (can't you just see me growing more snobbish day by day.
)Just kidding btw, if it tastes good it's all good. That's what I go by.
Nope. It was me that said that. I haven't had Huntsman in awhile, but (for the umpteenth time), a lot of my assertions were made when they were using a lot less extract. It was very much a different experience and it was essentially the difference between looking at something far away to looking at it under a magnifying glass. Hey Tez, do you remember how less vocal the juices were in the beginning? Don't get me wrong, they were awesome. (I wish the option to purchase both ways was available!!!!)
Sooooo... you don't have a goatee, do you? But as to which one of us is the evil twin, I think it's probably anybody's guess! Yeah, now that you mention it, HHV's flavors have become a bit more pronounced. I had a really hard time telling some of them apart at first. They were all good, just similar. I think that satiny undertone was the dominant feature of all of their juices, but the flavors shine through a bit more.
Aha. An RY4 spin off. I don't think JC is net though (can't you just see me growing more snobbish day by day.
Just kidding btw, if it tastes good it's all good. That's what I go by.
I'm not certain they are NET or not. They list their ingredients so I clicked it and all I get is a Certificate of Analysis. I first went to this ingredient list a couple months ago and it actually listed the ingredients...every one of them. Something has changed so I wrote them about an hour ago and I'm asking them where the original ingredient list went. They're pretty good about replying so I would expect to hear back some time today. And yes, it is their take on RY4 (whether they want to admit it or not) and they feature the caramel/vanilla more than the nut unlike my take on Heavenly's. It's a smooth, smoky sweet, full flavored, voluminous vape. Comes in both 100% PG and 100% VG. The VG is better IMO but the PG burns better. I'll let you know what I find on the ingredient list. After our Tennessee tobacco exchange, the same bulb went off in my head wondering if it were a true NET from TN Cured tobacco. See, we think the same.
I don't think JC is net though (can't you just see me growing more snobbish day by day.
Just kidding btw, if it tastes good it's all good. That's what I go by.
That's how I feel. I have only two requirements. 1) it tastes good, 2) it's not harmful Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they extract their flavors from a moose colon.
Copped this right off the Ahlusion website. Are we making too much of NETs?
"While our non-aromatic blends are based on natural tobacco extracts (mainly various blends of light and dark Cavendish), the focus is not on the tobacco itself, but a blend or flavors in this recipe. The tobacco used in our non-aromatic blends is fairly neutral compared to our aromatic blends."
"While our non-aromatic blends are based on natural tobacco extracts (mainly various blends of light and dark Cavendish), the focus is not on the tobacco itself, but a blend or flavors in this recipe. The tobacco used in our non-aromatic blends is fairly neutral compared to our aromatic blends."
You have such a way with words.
Never did before until I moved to the south.
Here's my favorite quote from the Ahlusion website (Aromatic Tobaccos):
WARNING: Do not get this or ANY Premium blend available on Ahlusion if you're expecting yet another flavored "tobacco"!
These are bold and uncompromising blends! Our Premium blends are not for the casual "tobacco" vaper.
Mmmmm that says "green light go" to me...
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Here's my favorite quote from the Ahlusion website (Aromatic Tobaccos):
WARNING: Do not get this or ANY Premium blend available on Ahlusion if you're expecting yet another flavored "tobacco"!
These are bold and uncompromising blends! Our Premium blends are not for the casual "tobacco" vaper.
Mmmmm that says "green light go" to me...
Seems the two assertions run contrary...especially to the lunch pail crowd. To say they don't would be splitting hairs. However (and this is a giant however), I noticed your copied quote is concerning the AROMATIC flavors. My copied quote concerns the NON-AROMATIC flavors. That's the key distinction evidently.
Exactly... They are not contrary assertions. They are describing different offerings.
I don't think we are making too much of NET's. If you're a tobacco lover (I'm talking about the leaf here -- cigars, pipes, etc., not necessarily the juice) there's just no substitute. I haven't come across anything that wasn't extracted that even comes close to Devil Dog, London, Patriot, Managua, Alcazar, Acid Blondie, Wild Turkey, etc. in terms of replicating the enjoyment of genuine tobacco. I just don't think it can be done. I have had non-extracts that capture maybe one aspect of the real thing, but I never find it completely convincing. In all of the aforementioned juices, the tobacco takes center stage, but an artist like Wlad from Ahlusion or Nick from GoodeJuice also knows that it doesn't always have to. But with any blend, if one part suffers, so does the whole. How many juices have you had that were good, except for one little thing that you didn't like, be it "mystery nut," a strange hint of plastic, or what have you? That undesirable quality, no matter how subtle, is often the deal-breaker. It's this fine-grained attention to detail that sets great juice vendors apart.
The modern industrial world has had a strange effect on our senses. We have developed a split perception of many naturally occurring flavors. Think of a fresh strawberry (or banana, watermelon, raspberry, cherry, etc.), and then think of a piece of strawberry-flavored candy. Two completely different flavors, yet we think of them both as "strawberry." In this world, a McDonald's hamburger that has been blanched and reconstituted with artificial dyes and flavorings is "the way a hamburger is supposed to taste." I find the same to be true with tobacco e-liquids. There are two completely distinct classes of juice that we call "tobacco." The artificial tobacco standard was set in the early days of vaping when Chinese manufacturers were trying to find a reasonable substitute that would help people quit smoking. Artificial tobacco usually has more of a leathery or sandalwood flavor to me than an actual real-life tobacco flavor. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's the difference between a fresh strawberry and strawberry candy. Both have their place in the world, but we should realize that they are not the same.
Bottom line (and most obvious I might add), is there are essentially three general tobacco choices. Those that taste like the real thing (NETS), those that don't taste anything like the real thing (no NETS), and some combination. Seems Ahlusion chose the first with their aromatics and the last for their non aromatics. And speaking of Ahlusion, what are some of your favorite juices from them? Aromatic and non-aromatic? I hear about Smooth Criminal now and again but know nothing beyond that.
I don't think I worded my comment well. What I meant by "making too much of NETs" wasn't to put NETs down (hardly). I was trying to suggest the final flavor is all that matters to each individual. Whether it took nets, non-nets, or a combo is mostly irrelevant. I really liked your post Tez. You draw some pinpoint distinctions. And some good advice to stay away from Sandalwood...whatever the hell that tastes like!
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