Natural Tobaccos

[TheCatsPajamas]

That's what confuses me too is the wording W2V uses. They say "blended with one of our top selling extracts" , but maybe it would be more accurant to replace extracts with concentrates. It's definately not any of the Drew Estate premiums or Alcazar, which leaves Red Pirate. I just tasted RP and though the slight ashiness is similar, the flavor is different. Any Vapenstein seems unlikely, but I don't have them to compare. Paris is sold as a luxury cigarette NET and would explain the cig taste I'm getting, but doesn't it just seem so unlikely they would use a Vapenstein to mix?

So that leaves Morley and Analog Mild, which are not an extract, but maybe they decided to use the word "extract" in place of "concentrate" for the purpose of keeping their card close to their chest. I have neither of them so can't compare. I also don't have experience with TA to be able to recognise it. Like you said, my description does sound similar to how TA is often described. I can say this, it's eerily similar to a cigarette while having flavors that to me aren't recognisable as either a NET nor a lab made. It doesn't necessarily taste like real tobacco, but does feel like a cigarette, if that makes any sense. It leaves an ashy aftertaste and is a little foul and dirty tasting, about like a cig. I don't really want this flavor alone, but with the PURE it changes everything.

Another interesting note about this and Malty. Going on memory of Malty, I feel pretty confident saying PURE is the exact same flavor profile, but more of it. Since you responded to Malty the same way I did, I think you'll like "Smoke" a lot. While Malty quickly fades from light to nothing, this pulls a similar trick. The spun sugar is very strong first couple vapes, but settles down quickly to allow the tobacco to come through. The PURE taste never leaves, just settles. I'm guessing Malty would do the same thing if more flavoring was used.

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You've got me very interested in this juice now. I have tried a few TA's and can recognize them fairly well and what you describes sounds like that could be plausible. I recently received Blondie and Alcanzar and to tell the truth I don't really care for either of them. I can tell I'm ending my journey of sampling NETs. I've tried most out there and I think I've found the ones I like the best. There are maybe only around 10 or 15 I haven't tried I'm sure I can acquire those in trades or over time as samples in orders.


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[Jerms]

I recently received Blondie and Alcanzar and to tell the truth I don't really care for either of them.

I took a quick taste of CI, which tastes exactly like my ACID cigar of that name smells, which also smells very similar to my Blondie cigar. I was going to smoke the CI and vape the CI today side-by-side to compare, but got way distracted with these other juices. The tast of the vape CI was very unique and made me think of potpourrie like the scents of the cigars do. It wasn't bad, but will take a while to figure out if it's a type of flavor I want to regularly vape.

I need to order Tobacco Haze from Mom&Pop to get a grip on TA, and I hear that's a juice that uses TA in good way. I suppose I could get a certain "fugly" juice to really get the experience, but I have no desire to just throw money away lol. I guess some from TPR used TA, but I couldn't tell which nor noticed anything standing out like TA is described.

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[rdsok]

That's interesting that you should say that. I'm chatting with someone what the "blended with one of our top selling extracts" is via PM. I'll figure out how to copy and post the PM about my speculations in a sec. Warning, kind of long..

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I know this... my palette is not educated enough to argue one way or the other. I've read so many reviews that describe much more than I can detect and I'm not just saying they are describing flavors I don't know such as one tobacco type vs another or perhaps a liquor flavor ( I'm not a drinker except on rare occasion )... I also know that of the few cigars I had, I didn't care for those particular ones and I do see a lot of cigar flavors on W2V's site. I could also see a "chef" using similar flavor profiles across different juices ... not that is what happened, but it's a possibility if it's not my palette making a mistake.

 

[Jerms]

Rdsok, you very well might be spot on that Paris is used for the tobacco flavor. I don't have that one, so can't compare. It would make sense that if "Smoke" is indeed based on one of W2Vs extracts that it's Paris. It's certainly not one of the Premiums and Paris is the Vapenstein that's based on cigarette. It does seem unlikely to me that Vapenstein would agree to Paris being used in a blend that is made to be a sweet tobacco, but maybe an agreement was made as long as they didn't explicitely state what extract it is?

So either Paris or Morley or Analog Mild, the last two neither of us has (I'm assuming, maybe you do and can compare?). Or maybe even the statement W2V makes that the tobacco used is one of their popular extracts is just plane incorrect or deliberately misleading. Still a mystery, that's for sure. Hope someone more experienced with W2V and has had "Smoke" can shed some light. Or possibly all will be revealed by a reply to my email to them.

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[rdsok]

The Pure Smoke is much lighter strength vs the Paris... so as long as Smoke doesn't use more than 60% of the amount of extract that the Paris requires... it would be cost effective... I didn't feel that Smoke had less than 60% though. Still, my taste isn't something I'd bet on and I certainly wouldn't be offended or even embarrassed if wrong.

I didn't mention one thing directly, even though the flavor of Paris wasn't what I cared for ( at the moment )... It was a very satisfying vape and if the flavor changes enough or my palette adjusts... it could easily replace a cigarette for me.

 

[Jerms]

I was thinking on the lines of that Dr. Vapenstein would have to agree to using one of his blends that Donley and him created together in a juice that is a sweet tobacco, which doesn't seem something on the lines of what Dr. V would want to create. Of course, that judgement is founded on a lot of assumtpions I'm making about 2 people I know almost nothing about lol.

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[Jerms]

You inspired me to clean a mini Nova since my IGO isn't performing as well as I'd like. (Coils too tight)?

Nomo, quite possible that coils are too tight. If they are, the juice doesn't wick right and causes dry and poor tasting vapes. I use a needle against the silica when wrapping the coil, making sure they are even and not choking the wick. The wick can be loose enough that you can move it a little through the wraps while still dry. You don't want them so loose the wick isn't contacting the coil when wet though or any wraps not touching will get too hot.

Also, if you have carbon build-up on the coil it won't vape right and you need to dry-burn it off. I also noticed that if a wick is several days old and starting to taste funky but not breaking apart, you can clean well with water and torch the wick until it turns white and it tastes like new. The braided wick I got from RTDvapor seems like it's higher quality and is going to hold together without breaking apart better than the twisted wick I was using. Will see how it holds up.

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[NoMoreTequila]

Been chuckling since I read this. Picturing your consternation while trying to come up with a polite way to tell poeple they're crazy.
You inspired me to clean a mini Nova since my IGO isn't performing as well as I'd like. (Coils too tight)? Sunday Morning performs well in a Nova.

FT! I've been dealing with the consternation while trying to tell people they're FOS for a while now!!! Adios, ridiculous C-igar smokers!
Oh, BTW! Mostly, I was trying to get YOU to look at YOUR SELF!!! And PLEASE, spare me your condescending " oh nomo" BS!!!

 

[Jerms]

FT! I've been dealing with the consternation while trying to tell people they're FOS for a while now!!! Adios, ridiculous C-igar smokers!
Oh, BTW! Mostly, I was trying to get YOU to look at YOUR SELF!!! And PLEASE, spare me your condescending " oh nomo" BS!!!

Holy crap this has me laughing hard, even though I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you yell at yourself often at this time of night? Be nice to Nomo.

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[NoMoreTequila]

FT! I've been dealing with the consternation while trying to tell people they're FOS for a while now!!! Adios, ridiculous C-igar smokers! NOMO Mister Nice Guy!
Oh, BTW! Mostly, I was trying to get YOU to look at YOUR SELF!!! And PLEASE, spare me your condescending " oh nomo" BS!!!

REALIZATION SLAMMED HOME! After vaping Serendipity right after Sunday Morning! ...! There is no hope for these PFs! They will never admit ....e! Do YOU sell your soul for a bottle of juice? ...!!!

 

[NoMoreTequila]

Holy crap this has me laughing hard, even though I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you yell at yourself often at this time of night? Be nice to Nomo.

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Yeah right! PF!

 

[Jerms]

REALIZATION SLAMMED HOME! After vaping Serendipity right after Sunday Morning! ...! There is no hope for these PFs! They will never admit ....e! Do YOU sell your soul for a bottle of juice? ...!!!

Just as funny, and baffling to comprehend. What does PF stand for.

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[NuLLMyndZ]

Don't know if this has been done yet, but it is wonderful.

Vendor: JuiceWhore
Liquid: Del's Ultimate Pipe

Thoughts: Not absolutely sure if this is a NET. This flavor has very nice undertone of pipe tobacco. When I vape it I get a rich burst of caramel followed by the undertones of pipe tobacco. The exhale will be a very smooth vanilla, almost a french vanilla. This is definitely an RY4 variation, but done so very well and the pipe tobacco adds a whole new element.

Note : If you want nicotine you will have to purchase a nic base and cut it yourself. This juice comes from Australia and is made without nicotine.

 

[NoMoreTequila]

Holy crap this has me laughing hard, even though I have no idea what you're talking about. Do you yell at yourself often at this time of night? Be nice to Nomo.

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TCP chimed in when I was vulnerable! Where did y'all dig up rd? Oh, never mind! Probably the same place you found TCP!

 

[NoMoreTequila]

Just as funny, and baffling to comprehend. What does PF stand for.

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Phony F...!

 

[NoMoreTequila]

Don't know if this has been done yet, but it is wonderful.

Vendor: JuiceWhore
Liquid: Del's Ultimate Pipe

Thoughts: Not absolutely sure if this is a NET. This flavor has very nice undertone of pipe tobacco. When I vape it I get a rich burst of caramel followed by the undertones of pipe tobacco. The exhale will be a very smooth vanilla, almost a french vanilla. This is definitely an RY4 variation, but done so very well and the pipe tobacco adds a whole new element.

Note : If you want nicotine you will have to purchase a nic base and cut it yourself. This juice comes from Australia and is made without nicotine.

Excellent timing! Juice .....! LMAO!

 

[Jerms]

Don't know if this has been done yet, but it is wonderful.

Vendor: JuiceWhore
Liquid: Del's Ultimate Pipe

Thoughts: Not absolutely sure if this is a NET.

They say they use a tobacco concentrate, so it's not a NET. I wonder if Bill from the RY4 thread might be interested in it. JuiceWhore doesn't say flat out it's an RY4, but they do say it's reminiscent of RY4 and contains the right ingredients to be considered one.

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[NoMoreTequila]

They say they use a tobacco concentrate, so it's not a NET. I wonder if Bill from the RY4 thread might be interested in it. JuiceWhore doesn't say flat out it's an RY4, but they do say it's reminiscent of RY4 and contains the right ingredients to be considered one.

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Impressive! I hope your employer pays you well! You deserve it!
So, when are your working hours Jerms? Or can we just always count on your helpful expertise?

 

[Jerms]

Impressive! I hope your employer pays you well! You deserve it!
So, when are your working hours Jerms? Or can we just always count on your helpful expertise?

Nope, I don't have a clue what you think your clearly alluding to. You seem to think you are clearly stating some profound yet obvious points, and I started wondering if maybe it's going over my head what you are saying, but since my head is clear right now and yours obviously isn't I'm pretty sure your just making some nonsencicle ramblings that is understood only by yourself.

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[NoMoreTequila]

Nope, I don't have a clue what you think your clearly alluding to. You seem to think you are clearly stating some profound yet obvious points, and I started wondering if maybe it's going over my head what you are saying, but since my head is clear right now and yours obviously isn't I'm pretty sure your just making some nonsencicle ramblings that is understood only by yourself.

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Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, let me catch my breath! Ok! Hahahahahahahahahah!!!!