Natural Tobaccos

[billherbst]

I agree with Jerms regarding MOV Sunday Morning in so far as the coffee flavor is quite subtle. However, to me, the cream is the main player with a hint of coffee and a mild to medium tobacco. i enjoy Sunday Morning quite a bit, it's firmly in my top ten juices that I vape regularly. And to top it off, I found it to be quite good right away, and steeping didn't, again to ME, change the profile much if at all. So I recommend giving it a try, hopefully you will like it, and if not, classi that juice and you shouldn't have a problem getting rid of it.

Sunday Morning is one of my favorite NETs. Admittedly, I frankenjuice it by adding some FlavourArt Coffee Espresso flavoring to kick up the coffee. It's good straight up, where, as CarbonThief says, cream is the main player with a hint of coffee to complement the smooth NET, but my custom-tailored version makes me extremely happy.

All the MOV Gold Label NETs seem to me pre-steeped and good to go right out of the mail. Even the 3ml beta versions Steve sent me for pre-retail feedback were ready to vape when I got them.

 

[CarbonThief]

I find it sad that we feel we have to apologize for not liking a juice or a vendor. I've gotten to the point where I just about won't even mention any juice I don't like, it always seems to offend someone.

Just to test the water, Shadow, for instance, is one that though it has improved to my palate (vape it till you like it, or at least has steeped properly!), is one of my least favorites from HHV. At least with GT, who loves that juice, I don't worry about offending him! Love that simian, but that one juice of his, meh...

 

[RPadTV]

Anthony,

I'd straighten you out if I could, but I'm afraid I'm also twisted.

Heather'sHeavenlyVapes is an extremely popular vendor on ECF (HHV's gazillion-page supplier thread attests to that). Heather's liquids are high-quality, well-made, and usually complex. And many posters of this thread adore HHV juices, especially their tobacco blends.

I've had Dark Horse, Dragon's Fire, Gandalf/Legend, Heavenly Army, Heavenly Tobacco (RY4), Huntsman, and Oompa. I loved Gandalf in the beginning, but it gradually faded for me over the past year. This isn't unusual for my palate---I'm easily won but hard to keep. Dragon's Fire was similar---great for awhile. And Heavenly Tobacco is a good synthetic Custom RY4.

The rest never won me over. Dark Horse and Huntsman reminded me of BackwoodsBrew tobaccos (not bad, but not special), Oompa just wasn't my cup of tea, and I flat-out didn't like Heavenly Army. That last one pretty much put the lid on HHV for me. I haven't ordered from them since.

When I think of HHV NETs, my brain says, "Ah, complex blends, usually sweet, with tobacco as ensemble player rather than star." No doubt many people would disagree, especially about Dark Horse and Huntsman.

I've often asked myself why I don't love HHV tobacco blends when so many other people do. What do they taste that I don't (or vice versa)? I've given up trying to answer those questions, however, because it doesn't matter what the reasons are. The only person I have to please in vaping is myself. The expanding marketplace of retail NETs has many other fine choices---Ahlusion, GoodEJuice, MountainOak, MyVapeJuice, QuickNic, PlumeRoom, etc.---plus, I'm deeply involved in making my own NET macerations and DIY juices. It's not like HHV will suffer without my business (or even notice my absence, for that matter). They'll do just fine without me.

Please understand: I'm not down on HHV. Their NETs are simply not for me.

That's a fine assessment and I completely agree. That said, I definitely enjoy HHV NETs, but to me they're kind of NET Lights. I don't mean that in a bad way at all. It's like you said, the tobacco is an ensemble player. In basketball terms, the tobacco in HHV is Shane Battier rather than LeBron James; it's a key ingredient to a winning formula, but not the star of the show.

 

[CarbonThief]

Sunday Morning is one of my favorite NETs. Admittedly, I frankenjuice it by adding some FlavourArt Coffee Espresso flavoring to kick up the coffee. It's good straight up, where, as CarbonThief says, cream is the main player with a hint of coffee to complement the smooth NET, but my custom-tailored version makes me extremely happy.

All the MOV Gold Label NETs seem to me pre-steeped and good to go right out of the mail. Even the 3ml beta versions Steve sent me for pre-retail feedback were ready to vape when I got them.

Bill, I may have to try your frankenjuice method as the one thing I wouldn't mind is having a bit more coffee flavor in SM. What amount do you add to how many mLs of the juice, if you don't mind sharing trade secrets?!

 

[gthompson]

There's no doubt HHV is the dessert of the NET world.

 

[CarbonThief]

And it's great (for some) both before and after a main course!

 

[Mr.Mann]

Anthony,

I'd straighten you out if I could, but I'm afraid I'm also twisted.

Heather'sHeavenlyVapes is an extremely popular vendor on ECF (HHV's gazillion-page supplier thread attests to that). Heather's liquids are high-quality, well-made, and usually complex. And many posters of this thread adore HHV juices, especially their tobacco blends.

I've had Dark Horse, Dragon's Fire, Gandalf/Legend, Heavenly Army, Heavenly Tobacco (RY4), Huntsman, and Oompa. I loved Gandalf in the beginning, but it gradually faded for me over the past year. This isn't unusual for my palate---I'm easily won but hard to keep. Dragon's Fire was similar---great for awhile. And Heavenly Tobacco is a good synthetic Custom RY4.

The rest never won me over. Dark Horse and Huntsman reminded me of BackwoodsBrew tobaccos (not bad, but not special), Oompa just wasn't my cup of tea, and I flat-out didn't like Heavenly Army. That last one pretty much put the lid on HHV for me. I haven't ordered from them since.

When I think of HHV NETs, my brain says, "Ah, complex blends, usually sweet, with tobacco as ensemble player rather than star." No doubt many people would disagree, especially about Dark Horse and Huntsman.

I've often asked myself why I don't love HHV tobacco blends when so many other people do. What do they taste that I don't (or vice versa)? I've given up trying to answer those questions, however, because it doesn't matter what the reasons are. The only person I have to please in vaping is myself. The expanding marketplace of retail NETs has many other fine choices---Ahlusion, GoodEJuice, MountainOak, MyVapeJuice, QuickNic, PlumeRoom, etc.---plus, I'm deeply involved in making my own NET macerations and DIY juices. It's not like HHV will suffer without my business (or even notice my absence, for that matter). They'll do just fine without me.

Please understand: I'm not down on HHV. Their NETs are simply not for me.

I think what is cool with HHV and GoodeJuice, and a few more that have smaller NET menus, is that you can actually judge the whole lot--meaning you can easily purchase the whole lot. When I speak of HHV, GeJ, Cravin, QuickNic, Want2Vape, PlumeRoom, Prime Vaping and Velvet Cloud (and two juices shy from Ahlusion), I am speaking of the whole line, sans GeJ's two, VCV's and Ahl's one menthol. When I speak of VapeRite, MVJ, and MOV, and HoL I always have to remind myself and the reader that I have not had the whole lot, so I can't really speak on the whole line being a certain way; I can only speak on what I've tried. That is why I want to finish up sampling a few vendors like VR, MOV, and MVJ, even if just for the sake of feeling complete. If I only like 3-4 juices from a vendor, that is enough to make that vendor a favorite. Hell, if I can find one NET from a vendor that is awesome, that makes it worth it for me.

If I had only sampled Acadian Gold, Organic Tobacco #1, Wild Turkey and Natural Perique from GeJ, I may have thought that I had a good feel for GeJ, but boy o' boy would I have been missing out and wrong ("wrong" in the sense that those are not my favorites). Eventually, I would like to have had all of HoL's line too, even though they continually add more. I have had 27 of the 29 Ahlusion offerings (plus one unreleased liquid) and my 27th juice turned out to be love at first vape (I should've listened to Scarf a long time ago).

I guess when it comes down to it, I just don't want to leave any stone left un-turned. If I had listened to my prejudices (actually Wlad's prejudices about his RT Blends), I would've missed out on Peach River Tree. A 30 mL of PRTB is next up on my order.

While I have yet to have a juice from VR that I really like, I still hold out hope.

edit**I have not tried Jiggy or Gollum from HHV.

 

[Bronze]

HHV is my favorite vendor from the standpoint they have the most flaves I enjoy. They are definitely a small font NET. What I have learned through my experience with trying different NETs and NET vendors is that without sweetness, most of the vapes tend to be dry. Not that I dislike dry...I actually enjoy dry. The problem is dry doesn't have much durability for me. I can vape it an hour or maybe two at most and I have to go back to something sweeter for awhile. There are some that strike a nice balance and explain why they hit the bullseye for me. Vita Bella is one and now Proudest Monkey. I can vape these every day. As long as there is enough sweetness to make them "undry" I can vape them for longer stretches. And yes, there is a thing as being too sweet...Heavenly Army and Shadow are two examples. They are very rich and I can take only an hour of those before they become cloying. The level of sweetness is just as important to me as the type of sweetness.

 

[Mr.Mann]

One thing I have learned about NETs is that they are very different juices from liquids that rely solely on artificial flavors. I think many vapers who have tried MOV NETs and loved them were in for a rude awakening when they tried Apache. The wondered, "how could the maker of Sunday Morning and PenD make this?" It is the different tobaccos! The only "NET" maker (still suspect) that uses a singular base is Highbrow. Other vendors may stick to certain strains, specific pipe blend mixes and extraction techniques that yield similar results, but as long as you can find a different combo of tobacco strains and other flavors, there remains hope. Prime Vaping was the only one NET vendor (another original form back in the day) that blew my mind with the whole line being a miss--not a single juice that did a single thing for me. Oh, and from PV I tried every NET regular and with double flavoring, but no winner. Hell, I actually couldn't discern the regulars from the double flavoring bottles.

 

[Jerms]

That's a fine assessment and I completely agree. That said, I definitely enjoy HHV NETs, but to me they're kind of NET Lights. I don't mean that in a bad way at all. It's like you said, the tobacco is an ensemble player. In basketball terms, the tobacco in HHV is Shane Battier rather than LeBron James; it's a key ingredient to a winning formula, but not the star of the show.

I agree that's the case with most HHV NETs I've had, but Huntsman is truly an exception. Nothing light or small font about it. Instead of tobacco being part of the ensemble, it's the star with the multiple tobacco notes playing in harmony. It's a shame that if someone loves Huntsman, there's not other HHV offerings to suggest except maybe Dark Horse. If someone loves one of the others like Dragon's Fire you could suggest trying just about all the rest. The sweet, flavored NETs has been such a winning formula for them they may not be interested in offering more medium to full bodied tobaccos, but I hope one day they do.

They're not the only ones that seem to shy away from that specific sub-genre on NETs. I'd like to see more medium bodied NETs that focus on only complex tobacco tones. I'm not an ADV type of guy, but if I was I would lean towards that instead of the intense tobaccos or sweeter dessert type. There are some though. Off the top of my head I think of Perique from GeJ, Smooth Criminal from Ahl, couple cigars from W2V and HoL, and probably many others that I haven't had yet, but I can think of a LOT more strong-baccos, sweet-baccos, and flavored-baccos.

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[Dusty_D]

There's no doubt HHV is the dessert of the NET world.

This.. definitely this! Imagine my surprise when I realized that not ALL NET's were like HHV's. Not that I'm complaining, mind you!

 

[Mr.Mann]

I want to add my favs per vendor, can someone tell me who I am missing, if I am? If there is some obscure vendor out there, I am not too worried about it.

Ahlusion
Alice in Vapeland (I am trying to be thorugh, AiV may be a stretch)
***BackWoods Brew
Cravin Vapes
GoodeJuice
Heather's Heavenly Vapes
House of Liquid
Mountain Oak Vapor
My Vape Juice
Prime Vaping
Quick Nic
The Plume Room
VapeRite
Velvet Cloud Vapor
Vermillion (still somewhat suspect, aside form the Poker blends)
Want2Vape

***You can add BWB if you want, but I can't discern what is what and Don won't say. The juices that I knew absolutely were NETs are no longer available. I think, I think, Casablanca and Adriondack are and maybe Backo.

 

[boomerdude]

You left out my favorite - W2V

 

[Mr.Mann]

You left out my favorite - W2V

D'oh!........

 

[gthompson]

Vermillion (still somewhat suspect, aside form the Poker blends)

Someone asked straight out in their Vendor forum, heck it was probably you now that I think about it, and received an incredibly vague answer.

 

[Mr.Mann]

Someone asked straight out in their Vendor forum, heck it was probably you now that I think about it, and received an incredibly vague answer.

Exactabably! Yes, that was moi, and yes it was vague.

 

[rdsok]

I want to add my favs per vendor, can someone tell me who I am missing, if I am? If there is some obscure vendor out there, I am not too worried about it.

I'd mention Highbrow Vapor... but you haven't mentioned any of his being a favorite of yours... lol

 

[Mr.Mann]

This was the response to my thread http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-juice/371830-lets-set-record-straight.html:

Hi there thanks for stopping by. Sorry for the delay in the response but it's been unusually busy lately. Actually your guess with the Cavendish tobacco is fairly accurate, Cavendish tobacco is usually a blend of a few tobaccos combined together with light flavorings similar to ours. I really can't say the tobaccos that we actually use because that is somewhat of a trade secret. The extraction process used is a steam distillation process. We decided a few years back but that process was best left to the experts so we have work with the same company now for a few years to do our extraction process for us. We have found this gives us better consistency and lab quality results with each batch. We found the biggest trouble with this process or any process using natural ingredients is consistency. The joint effort helps us insure consistency and quality in our product, and quite honestly I don't think we could keep up with the old fashion way anymore, LOL. As for our Classic and Poker blends the process is the same, it just starts with different tobaccos.

The problem I have with the explanation, or rather, the juices themselves (save for the PBs) is that the flavor of the tobacco ends up being chalky and kinda ashy much in the way that Darth Vaper's is. Darth Vaper says some of their tobaccos use "An Exclusive Natural Tobacco Flavoring Extract" but when those juices get old, they carry similar effects as M&P and those, as we all know, are TA/TE. (Plus, an "exclusive" whatever, sounds like one "flavor" which also seems to me to be TA/TE.) So, if anyone wants to add Darth Vapers and Vermillion, or even M&P, go ahead. There is something of real tobacco in there, but to me it speaks of TA/TE as opposed to what we view as NET. Granted I included VCV in my list without any aside, but anyone that does what they do in house deserves inclusion on the master list (as far as I am concerned.)

Vermillion, Darth Vaper? You be the judge. There are other's like NOLA vapes, Moondrop and Red Dragon (and many others) that use the same kind of "tobacco flavoring extract" terminology, but I know that those are TA/TE.

p.s. If adding TA/TE vendors, your list will be loooooooooooooooong!

p.s.s. I am going to contact Darth Vapers because I am not so sure that they use TA. It's a toss up, but I did like their juices that I tried, Vanilla Tobacco and Cocoabacco.

 

[Mr.Mann]

I'd mention Highbrow Vapor... but you haven't mentioned any of his being a favorite of yours... lol

The problem I have with HB is that if a vendor uses one supposed extract in all of his tobacco juices, are we judging one juice, or a bunch or remixes? Does one extract (NET or TE/TA) make for a whole line? Does one NET make for an NET vendor?

 

[Evil Speakers]

***You can add BWB if you want, but I can't discern what is what and Don won't say. The juices that I knew absolutely were NETs are no longer available. I think, I think, Casablanca and Adriondack are and maybe Backo.

Interesting, so BWB doesn't necessarily use NETs? I tried Adirondack and Virginia and they didn't seem to have anything in common flavor or texture with the NETs I have had from GeJ. Since those are the only two NET vendors I have tried and I'm pretty newt to NETs... I didn't think too much of it, just figured the process each used was different, but the BWB stuff does seem to be more like the synthetic liquids I have had.