Nature's Flavors recipe thread

[Smogger]

MiamiMom63,

I just looked at HDV and all their NF flavors are listed as Extracts. Interesting how you could have gotten something toally different from NF. Is it possible you got another form of the flavor from NF, like a concentrate instead of an extract?

A problem I had when I started looking at NF's web site is that any given flavor can come in many different forms. A search for "Caramel Cream" yielded 14 separate products to choose from, and nowhere do they say which of the 14 are best suited for flavoring eliquids. Some of the forms are concentrates, extracts, oils, emulsions, organic or non-organic, with or without diacetyl -- it can be quite confusing. The only hint I've seen on their site that any of their products are suitable for eliquids are the listings for diacetyl-free products. I believe the harm from diacetyl comes when its inhaled (popcorn lung disease), not eaten, so I can't think of any other reason for NF to have such a listing even though I haven't seen anything official on their site stating to use these products for eliquids. After all, they are essentially a FOOD flavoring business, though I suspect they're attracted to eliquids for the potential it holds as a new market.

Given that all of their diacetyl-free products are in their Coffee & Tea line of products, it seems to me the Coffee & Tea product line is better suited than the others for flavoring eliquid. In fact, at the beginning of this thread I think the Coffee & Tea products are what folks were focusing on. For me, that was good to know as I was going in circles trying to decide which form of flavor product to get. I would never have dreamed to look under Coffee & Tea flavoring for eliquid flavors had I not read about it in this thread or seen them on the diacetyl-free lists.

Here's some of the info I was gathering when I started looking into getting some Organic Caramel Cream, which is sold in all 3 forms. To my thinking, the info points to Coffee & Tea as having the qualities best suited for eliquids.

NF Extract
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Base: Ethyl Alcohol
Solubility: water
Diacetyl-free: ?
Ingredients: Water, Organic Ethyl Alcohol, Natural and Organic Plant and Vegetable Extracts

NF Concentrate
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Base: Gum Acacia
Solubility: water
Diacetyl-free: ?
Ingredients: Water, Organic Gum Acacia, Organic Flavors

NF Coffee & Tea
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Base: Ethyl Alcohol and Vegetable Glycerin
Solubility: Natures Flavours Organic Coffee and Tea Flavoring Systems are water soluble, in addition they will mix into Glycerin, and Propylene Glycol solutions even better than our Organic Flavor Extracts.
Diacetyl-free: Yes
Ingredients: Organic Flavors, Vegetable Glycerin, and Organic Ethyl Alcohol

So why would one ecig vendor (eg: HDV) be selling NF flavor extracts and another (ecigexpress) be selling the Coffee & Tea flavors?

Even though ecigexpress makes no mention of Coffee & Tea in their text, they do show ingredients for the Coffee & Tea products. And HDV does show the ingredients for extracts. I believe Coffee & Tea is the only NF product line to contain vegetable glycerin in its base.

Any idea why a vendor would choose extracts over the Coffee & Tea products?

 

[MiamiMom63]

Yea, I also heard their coffee and tea flavors are the ones to use for Ecigs. But NF only sells one type of Vanilla Cream and that one is nothing at all like the one HDV sells. So that's why I can't figure out where it comes from. I guess I need to call Natures Flavors and ask them exactly which one does HDV get? Lol.

 

[SethGrimm]

Yea, I also heard their coffee and tea flavors are the ones to use for Ecigs. But NF only sells one type of Vanilla Cream and that one is nothing at all like the one HDV sells. So that's why I can't figure out where it comes from. I guess I need to call Natures Flavors and ask them exactly which one does HDV get? Lol.

Please do, and update us afterwards. I just ordered my first DIY supplies from HDV and got 15 NF flavorings and now I am curious if can even use them. :/

 

[ChainVapitis]

Hi Seth! Not sure what you are looking for in the flavorings, but thought I'd just share my experiences with two types of NF (Coffee & Tea Flavorings vs. Extracts).
I had bought the NF flavorings from High Desert Vapes & was quite happy with them for 8 months. That is no small statement since I have been strongly allergic & reactive to many flavorings (some supposedly even organic) & to pg.
After reading that NF recommends the coffee & tea flavorings I thought about trying some & finally found some at Ecigexpress. I was somehow sure they would bring out the flavor better, too.
What really happened was the coffee & tea flavorings had muted flavors & would only steep to a halfway point no matter what I did. Also, I noticed a slight nausea after a few vapes. This has been my experience & may not apply to everyone, but I definitely can not recommend the coffee & tea flavors.

 

[MiamiMom63]

I haven't tried any of the coffee or tea flavors. Thanks for letting us know, ChainVapitis. What percentages were you using on them? As an update, I have enjoyed their Strawberry Daquiri from HDV at 10%, made at an 80/20 VG/PG ratio. I think I also added 2% sweetener but it was fine by itself just slightly tart though. I have several others I still haven't gotten to yet. I will post more once I get them down to the percentages I like best.

 

[ChainVapitis]

Hi Miami Mom! Sounds like you may need a lower percentage of flavoring than I do either because you use a fair amount of pg &/or your tastebuds are more alert than mine ;-). Have never been able to use under 20% flavoring (in fact 20% is the amount I alway use & am happy with.) Have tried Strawberry Daquiri, but it was already prepared by HDV at 20% without sweetener & I liked it - just not into fruit or sweet. Most of the flavors I like are coffee/nut types, or not-too-sweet desserts. Would love an organic, pg free tobacco but have never found any that worked for me.

 

[Rin13]

Just because it's the same flavoring, doesn't mean it's the same across the board. Capella's, for example, is all over the place depending on which batch you get of the same exact flavor... even when you purchase direct from them.
However, I do believe that it seems that some vendors flavorings are different from others, even though it's supposedly from the same brand. I cannot verify that right now. One day I want to get the same flavoring from 2 different vendors (namely the Hangsen ones, one from EcigExpress and the other from Vaping Zone) but until I have the means, it ain't happenin.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Hi Miami Mom! Sounds like you may need a lower percentage of flavoring than I do either because you use a fair amount of pg &/or your tastebuds are more alert than mine ;-). Have never been able to use under 20% flavoring (in fact 20% is the amount I alway use & am happy with.) Have tried Strawberry Daquiri, but it was already prepared by HDV at 20% without sweetener & I liked it - just not into fruit or sweet. Most of the flavors I like are coffee/nut types, or not-too-sweet desserts. Would love an organic, pg free tobacco but have never found any that worked for me.

There are some flavors that I go up to 20% total flavor. Well, one mainly that I Vape all the time. But their blueberry to me is plenty strong at 10%, and then some I go to 20%.

 

[aikanae1]

Just because it's the same flavoring, doesn't mean it's the same across the board. Capella's, for example, is all over the place depending on which batch you get of the same exact flavor... even when you purchase direct from them.
However, I do believe that it seems that some vendors flavorings are different from others, even though it's supposedly from the same brand. I cannot verify that right now. One day I want to get the same flavoring from 2 different vendors (namely the Hangsen ones, one from EcigExpress and the other from Vaping Zone) but until I have the means, it ain't happenin.

I also think it's possible for an extract/flavoring manufacturer to develop custom, or propietary flavors for a speciic client that is not available to the general public. Potion eliquids mentions they have an exclusive agreement with a flavoring company that is not available elsewhere. Of course I don't have a way of validating their claim however it doesn't seem unreasonable either. I doubt they would do that for a reseller though.

NF's website is confusing and it seems intentional, in that NF is not excited about working with vapors. I haven't started my DIY adventures yet, but I don't think NF is going to be high on my list and I do need 100% VG so this could mean a flavor sacrifice for me.

Thank you all for asking the questionss and figuring out what you have.

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[MiamiMom63]

Hi Miami Mom! Sounds like you may need a lower percentage of flavoring than I do either because you use a fair amount of pg &/or your tastebuds are more alert than mine ;-). Have never been able to use under 20% flavoring (in fact 20% is the amount I alway use & am happy with.) Have tried Strawberry Daquiri, but it was already prepared by HDV at 20% without sweetener & I liked it - just not into fruit or sweet. Most of the flavors I like are coffee/nut types, or not-too-sweet desserts. Would love an organic, pg free tobacco but have never found any that worked for me.

Maybe COV4 from Clouds of Vapor would be good for you? It's a big hit to alot of people. I personally haven't tried it but its 100% VG and real popular down south here. Some guys can't go without it. I guess I need to try it even though I'm not a huge tobacco person.

 

[deboraht]

I love their flavors, had a look at the website, but which line do i buy for e liquid?

Can someone direct me to the product line of theirs that suits flavoring nic?

 

[MiamiMom63]

Their website is extremely confusing to me as far as that goes. And I ordered one of their flavors directly from NF and it was horrible and not at all the same so I can't say for certain. So far I keep buying mine from High Desert Vapes. There's a couple other places to get them from also. One Stop DIY Shop also sells them and I forget the other vendor that sells them. And the vendors each seem to carry some different flavors of NF depending on which you prefer.

 

[deboraht]

Thanks Miami,
I too have bought it from HDV but want a larger quantity than what is available (even in store I am in NM), also the flavor choices are limited.

 

[MiamiMom63]

Sure, Deborah. If you need to know the third vendor, I will try to look for it. I remember finding it awhile back.oh, and I actually called HDV about a week ago to try to find out if they will offer bigger sizes of the flavors and was told that right now they can't but are working on it. Hmm. I was told they buy the extracts from NF. I mentioned I also bought the extract from NF but it wasn't the same and it sort of went silent. Lol. I'm wondering if its a proprietary flavor that I'm after of theirs. I'm wondering if HDV mixes some flavors together to create their vanilla cream. Trust me, I've been working on it for a very long time. Lol.im gonna figure it out if it kills me. I got a couple ideas up my sleeve on mixing some things and see what happens.

 

[Knosis]

I love their flavors, had a look at the website, but which line do i buy for e liquid?

Can someone direct me to the product line of theirs that suits flavoring nic?

ECigExpress has a bunch - Nature's Flavor Organic e-Liquid Flavoring | ecigExpress

 

[MiamiMom63]

I tried the egg nog and it was good at 10% but truthfully I put it in a rebuilt Vivi nova that had a short, so I had to pour the tiny bit out left and drip it in an atomizer. I want to make a bigger sample and try it out properly before I decide if it needs changing around. But yea, I liked it quite a bit.

 

[deboraht]

I mentioned I also bought the extract from NF but it wasn't the same and it sort of went silent. Lol..

Figures, retailers don't want you to know their secrets, they are in business to make $, understandable. I have asked about larger quantities too (they are local for me), but you pay about 20% more in store. Very nice people, the best in ABQ I would dare say.

ECigExpress has a bunch - Nature's Flavor Organic e-Liquid Flavoring | ecigExpress

Thanks, but it's $4.99 for 10ml, at the source they sell 60ml bottles from $11 - 14. The organic flavors need to be used at higher percentages, so 10ml will get me nowhere.
HDV is $8.99 for 30ml so it's actually cheaper.

 

[Mr.BellowFellow]

My NF Organic Caramel Cream & Organic Watermelon (Coffee And Tea Flavoring) arrived today, they smell pretty good but the ethyl alcohol makes it kinda hard to really gauge the aroma. So I want to make a RY4 type recipe with the Caramel Cream, I'll be using FA Shade, VZ-SC Virginia Flue Cured, FA Vape Wizard, NF Caramel Cream & EM sweetener (& maybe a tad of VZ Honey??). What percentage of the Caramel Cream should I use? I was thinking 10-15%? Ive used the FA & VZ flavors several times before so I'm pretty confident on how much of them to use, however if you have any recommendations on them Id like to hear it. Thanks for the help fellow vapers, trying to get that elusive DIY ADV recipe down, not as easy as I thought it would be, lol.

 

[kabonk]

I've been making this one for years I never get tired of it
6% Caramel cream
5% kona cream
1% TPA vanilla swirl (any vanilla would probably do)
it needs to steep for a few weeks

 

[MiamiMom63]

My NF Organic Caramel Cream & Organic Watermelon (Coffee And Tea Flavoring) arrived today, they smell pretty good but the ethyl alcohol makes it kinda hard to really gauge the aroma. So I want to make a RY4 type recipe with the Caramel Cream, I'll be using FA Shade, VZ-SC Virginia Flue Cured, FA Vape Wizard, NF Caramel Cream & EM sweetener (& maybe a tad of VZ Honey??). What percentage of the Caramel Cream should I use? I was thinking 10-15%? Ive used the FA & VZ flavors several times before so I'm pretty confident on how much of them to use, however if you have any recommendations on them Id like to hear it. Thanks for the help fellow vapers, trying to get that elusive DIY ADV recipe down, not as easy as I thought it would be, lol.

The caramel cream is pretty darn good. I made it straight up at 10% and am vaping it tonight. Sounds like a decent percentage. I tried their bubble gum and so far it's the only flavor of theirs that I have to go real low in percentages to avoid the perfume flavor.