ND law/policy. This is ignorance

Status
Not open for further replies.

Scotticus93

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 18, 2013
934
415
Yorktown, Virginia, United States
It is an effective means of gettin off tobacco. I guess that's fine if they don't want people to vape inside but the way they write this it's so insulting. Screw the fans of e cigs it basically says. And no BT isn't driving the industry. It's run by small businesses which is awesome. BT is rushing to come out with poorly made devices to save some market share. I read that theory somewhere on this forum and I firmly believe it.
 

bluecat

Vaping Master
ECF Veteran
Jun 22, 2012
3,489
3,658
Cincy
I am glad they pointed out in the first paragraph that it is the growing use by youths and adults.

My favorite....."It’s no accident e-cigs have gone from nondescript tubes to smartly produced designer accessories, like a watch or a purse or a switchblade." Really a switchblade? Might as well thrown a derringer in there too.

"It looks to me to be a government sponsored site. Scroll to the bottom. It's not like a newspaper editorial"

It is but the editorial came from the Fargo Forum. The NDRPCEC is just reposting it.

"From the Fargo Forum "

Hah.. that link will really get your knickers in an uproar.

My guess is someone of at Fargo got their mommies panties on to tight in the morning and did a little rage out. Probably ruined their mocha raspberry chilled swirl from Starbucks.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Scotticus93

Scotticus93

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 18, 2013
934
415
Yorktown, Virginia, United States
I don't understand what the problem is.
The problem is they are misinforming people of a possible safer alternative to smoking. And like I said. This just makes us vapers sound bad. I think should make their own health decisions. As my buddy said. These same people will go eat McDonald's every week. But you don't see us posting articles saying "you know there's a lot of calories in a Big Mac. Right?!" Ignorance bothers me. They can have their opinions but they should a. Back it up and b. like I said. This could mislead people. People judge jf you are a smoker. Maybe less so if you vape or maybe they will apparently. Guess that's the world we live in.
 

stevegmu

Moved On
ECF Veteran
May 10, 2013
11,630
12,348
6992 kilometers from home...
The problem is they are misinforming people of a possible safer alternative to smoking. And like I said. This just makes us vapers sound bad. I think should make their own health decisions. As my buddy said. These same people will go eat McDonald's every week. But you don't see us posting articles saying "you know there's a lot of calories in a Big Mac. Right?!" Ignorance bothers me. They can have their opinions but they should a. Back it up and b. like I said. This could mislead people. People judge jf you are a smoker. Maybe less so if you vape or maybe they will apparently. Guess that's the world we live in.

So be it. The safest alternative to smoking is not smoking or vaping. I am sure there are plenty of anti-McDonald's groups also. Doesn't the state have a health and nutrition board? I can't imagine they would recommend eating enough fat and sodium for a week in just one burger.
It's a editorial. Editorials by nature don't have citations; they are opinions. Most people see vaping as a form of smoking. You can thank the anti smoking crowd for that...
 

Scotticus93

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 18, 2013
934
415
Yorktown, Virginia, United States
So be it. The safest alternative to smoking is not smoking or vaping. I am sure there are plenty of anti-McDonald's groups also. Doesn't the state have a health and nutrition board? I can't imagine they would recommend eating enough fat and sodium for a week in just one burger.
It's a editorial. Editorials by nature don't have citations; they are opinions. Most people see vaping as a form of smoking. You can thank the anti smoking crowd for that...
Which is idiotic. I could sit here and say every Muslim wants to blow up the US. But I won't. It's mostly a peaceful religion. And I'm smart enough to know that. Vaping is a relatively safe way to get nicotine and smoking is not. I don't see how people can have opinions with no evidence to back it up. I'll just say the sky is black. You look up and it's not black. Well unless it's night haha but you get my point. And these same anti nicotine people I promise you eat McDonald's without thinking twice and probably drink beer too
 

amoret

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 2, 2013
1,765
8,575
74
Sharon, ND, USA
The editorial doesn't surprise me. Unfortunately the laws are real. Vaping got tacked onto the indoor smoking rules a couple of sessions ago (before I was vaping or knew what it was) and this summer they got a "protecting the children" restriction put on liquids that means that those off us who have no vape shops (or limited ones) available are going to have to put the sellers through age verification hoops and pay for age verified signature delivery. A good trick for people who commute a long way to work and/or don't have street delivery and/or have local post offices that are open more than a couple hours a day.

The good news is that the law defining vaping products (all of them, not just the liquids) as tobacco products and starting to tax them was defeated. Though mostly just because the legislature wasn't willing to raise the tobacco tax.

The ads are a major problem, since the tobacco settlement funds are required by law here to only be used for prevention, leading to a constant bombardment with ads, and QuitND doesn't listen to any information about vaping that isn't negative. Though I am going to send them that nice British study/recommendation that just came out, but I'm sure they'll just ignore me again.

There is an advantage to North Dakota, though, since most legislators actually do listen and respond to their constituents. I even got back two requests for more information from folks I'd contacted this year. And the emails and letters are read by the people making the decisions, not just aides and staff members. And, the legislature is limited by the constitution to one 90 day session every two years.

But we're spread out, without many vapers involved. I burned out this year after doing letters to editors and legislative action, but need to get going again.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bluecat

stevegmu

Moved On
ECF Veteran
May 10, 2013
11,630
12,348
6992 kilometers from home...
Which is idiotic. I could sit here and say every Muslim wants to blow up the US. But I won't. It's mostly a peaceful religion. And I'm smart enough to know that. Vaping is a relatively safe way to get nicotine and smoking is not. I don't see how people can have opinions with no evidence to back it up. I'll just say the sky is black. You look up and it's not black. Well unless it's night haha but you get my point. And these same anti nicotine people I promise you eat McDonald's without thinking twice and probably drink beer too

Getting nicotine is an unnecessary recreational activity, would be their argument. There are no long term studies, so there is no evidence either way...
I bet a great many vapers drink beer and eat at McDonalds frequently also...

From what I have seen of ND vape laws, they got off real easy...
 

amoret

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 2, 2013
1,765
8,575
74
Sharon, ND, USA
Getting nicotine is an unnecessary recreational activity, would be their argument. There are no long term studies, so there is no evidence either way...
I bet a great many vapers drink beer and eat at McDonalds frequently also...

From what I have seen of ND vape laws, they got off real easy...

WE worked very hard at it, but that same bill also specifies that e-cigarettes are not a tobacco product, so it's not all bad.

Part of the problem in ND is that because of the short sessions, the last couple of weeks when the whole sessions worth of bills go to the other side and/or to conference committees, are kind of like speed dating, and it can be very hard for citizens and legislators to keep up sometimes.
 

Scotticus93

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 18, 2013
934
415
Yorktown, Virginia, United States
Getting nicotine is an unnecessary recreational activity, would be their argument. There are no long term studies, so there is no evidence either way...
I bet a great many vapers drink beer and eat at McDonalds frequently also...

From what I have seen of ND vape laws, they got off real easy...
Yeah I indulge in all 3 of those sins. It's my health. If I wanna have a couple or go get fast food occasionally so be it. I don't want people telling me how to live my life. Tho I guess public health issues do make healthcare prices go up. So there's that end of it
 

Bunnykiller

ECF Guru
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Nov 17, 2013
17,431
77,275
New Orleans La.
have them paint a line 20 feet from the doorway.. and also place signs in that area that it isnt allowed... when your inside let a few good .... burps rip and wear the most obnoxious perfume/cologne possible, bring the bottle with you cuz you need to refresh the application every so often.... lets see how long it is before those 2 things are allowed to maintain their longevity... :evil:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread