Kicked off campus for using my e-cig.

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But what they Can Not Determine is what Exactly is inside the Cartomizer/Atomizer. Is it a Controlled Substance? Is it Nicotine? Something Inbetween? No Real Good Way to know.

exactly. they're not going to do a titration analysis. but if you're vaping what looks like something the 'cop' has seen before? or something another person at the 'station' will recognize? i think that's going to pass without further inquisition.

that's why i think the PV form factor is so critical. it's much more than aesthetics. remind me to send some free trial kits to the state troopers' association :)
 

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exactly. they're not going to do a titration analysis. but if you're vaping what looks like something the 'cop' has seen before? or something another person at the 'station' will recognize? i think that's going to pass without further inquisition.

that's why i think the PV form factor is so critical. it's much more than aesthetics. remind me to send some free trial kits to the state troopers' association :)

Like I said, part of the problem is Not that the Officer Doesn't know that it is an e-Cigarette. By now there are few Officers who haven't seen one before. Especially on a Campus Chucked Full of Young People.

No, It's that he Doesn't Know What is Inside the e-Cigarette.
 

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Many Members in this thread take the Attitude that Campus Security is Pushing People Around or Hassling People who are doing Nothing Wrong.

But How in this Case does Campus Security know that the only thing in an e-Cigarette's Carto is Nicotine and PG?


I'm a fellow vapor'er and would love to be able to always take the ecig user's side. But I just don't know all the facts. Maybe I just got the wrong image in my head when I read the OP. I'm picturing, some adult woman walking by as she sees a "kid" (18-29/yrs. old looks like a kid to someone twice that age), and sees him discretely taking a "hit" of something, then blowing out some smoke (and this is indoors? out of the rain). So being her (and taking in to consideration that she probably isn't too familiar with ecigs) thinks this kid is "smoking" something. And if he was doing it kind of sneaky or covertly, it could look a little shady. I might even think I just seen some kid/student smoking a pinch hitter or something. So she then tells campus security. Now he's just been informed by some sort of faculty that she seen a student smoking "something" shady inside the building. So he's got an image of some punk kid smoking pot in his head before he even sees the kid for himself.

I'm not sure what type of PV your using, even the "pen style" or cigarette clones look similar to a "pinch hitter". And I'm sure the campus security knows what a pinch hitter is "really" intended for. And he doesn't have you arrested, or have you suspended. Only "threatens" that you stop what you’re doing and leave the property. For all the people saying you should report him for harassment....good luck with that. That doesn't exactly come close to the definition of harassment. And I don't know what the exact ruling is at your school. But I have seen university's not only have a "no smoking" inside buildings (some have no smoking on campus at all), but some schools also imply a "no tobacco" product in buildings (including chew & dip). In the US I think ecigs fall in this category (whether fair or not). Maybe different where you’re from, I don’t know. So it could actually be a rule already in place technically. Even if not, even being "legal" doesn't mean the school has to allow or accept it. And schools are always making new rules and updating codes. So since you weren’t actually punished for vaping, you really have no grounds to scream harassment.

Now if you were arrested or suspended (without given the option to stop or leave) I think you could fight it. But all I really hear you say is the security officer told you to "stop" and "leave the property". Security officers have authority over you (whether they're real cops are not). Doesn't sound like harassment to me. Actually sounds like he was just doing his job. If I was a security officer, and I was in a similar situation (and not knowing much or anything about ecigs) I would have told you to stop. If you were actually "smoking" something, especially drugs, than I could be liable if any happened to you. So I think he acted responsibly, and within reason. So he made you quit vaping, big deal. You didn't have to deal with explaining it to the cops (and cops arrest first, send the "drug" to the lab second), so you could have spent both time and court cost, just trying to prove your innocence. You also did not actually get in any trouble with the school? You weren't expelled or anything like that? So lesson learned (they don't like me vaping in school). So next time stand in the rain with the smokers, or just wait till your off campus to vape it up. And if you really can't wait, at least go in the bathroom and out of everyone's view and then vape.

Don't try and get some guy fired for just doing his job (which you won't succeed at anyway). The school has final say on the ruling, not you, and not the government. If the school also wants to ban bubble gum, or soda on campus, they can probably do that too. You’re in college (I'm assuming college), just focus on studying and not starting some political movement on getting ecigs allowed on campus. And please don't try and get some poor guy fired for just doing hos job, and what he was told to do (who knows, he might have a family to feed. Is your vaping "right" more important than that man's family getting food on the table?)

Sorry, I just think sometime's as ecig users, we assume we have the right to vape wherever we want, just because it's legal. I think of it as more of a privilege than a right. Who knows, maybe it is hazardous to the people around us? Have there been any studies that confirm or deny that there is no danger of "2nd hand vapor". I know it doesn't have tar, smoke, or the other nasty stuff analogs has, but it does have nicotine. I don't think nicotine has been proven completely safe.

And don't take me the wrong way. I'm not on the FDAs side. I would like to see vaping remain legal, but I don't agree we have the right to blow that vape around other people. They on the other hand, they have a right NOT to inhale that vapor. More of a right then we do TO inhale it. I actually don't mind stepping outside to vape. I did it for years when I smoked. Not only because the government made me, sometimes just not to offend anyone. So it just doesn't really bother me as much if I can't vape indoors as it does most people. I'm not that big of a nicotine fiend that I can't wait and do it when and where it's acceptable.


Okay sorry all, I'll shut up now and come back to the other side...sorry :oops:
 
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