Negative Reactions Mystify Electronic Cigarette Users

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Hey Kristin, love the article and the matter of fact presentation, it will appeal to many. I would offer a small change in this passage:

"Because vaping looks like smoking people immediately associate the two and come to a bad conclusion," says Scott B, of Santa Clarita, CA. Scott says he was not a cigarette smoker and only occasionally enjoyed pipes or cigars. "They need to be educated to understand the fundamental differences."

This passage brings in the allegations that occasional smokers will become addicted to nicotine via the device. If Scot is offering an expert's opinion then a title could be offered to explain the objective opinion. :)
 

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I hate to be a naysayer but...vapor does contain some of the characteristics of regular smoking via the FDA report....

....therefore the likelihood we exhale some traces would appear to be obvious....

There appears to be a call for facts and I have supplied some as per request though they may not follow popular e-cig contentions...these are the facts we have to refute. :)

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But you also can't ignore the reaction differences, of smoke vs. vapor, when released into the environment.

Smoke lingers much longer and wafts much further than vapor, increasing the probability of accidental inhalation by those nearby. Exhaled vapor may contain nicotine or other impurities, but when exhaled with consideration, it barely makes it 2-3 feet from the user, before it dissapates. Smoke, on the other hand, takes much longer to dissapate, extending it's life in the air, allowing it to "build up" and be inhaled second-hand.

Anecdotal evidence (vaping in my car vs. smoking) shows that they behave very differently and therefore, affect the surrounding environment differently. I can vape in my car and my 16 year old says he doesn't smell anything sitting right next to me, whereas he can smell the smoke in my car if he got in after I was smoking in it. (I didn't smoke with the kids actually IN the car.)

Anyhow, the point is, even if there ARE adverse ingredients in the vapor, the chances that the vapor would linger long enough to be inhaled by anyone nearby is slim. So, therefore, it's easily concluded that it is safer than cigarette smoke for bystanders, just by the nature of it's actual properties in air.
 

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Hey Kristin, love the article and the matter of fact presentation, it will appeal to many. I would offer a small change in this passage:

"Because vaping looks like smoking people immediately associate the two and come to a bad conclusion," says Scott B, of Santa Clarita, CA. Scott says he was not a cigarette smoker and only occasionally enjoyed pipes or cigars. "They need to be educated to understand the fundamental differences."

This passage brings in the allegations that occasional smokers will become addicted to nicotine via the device. If Scot is offering an expert's opinion then a title could be offered to explain the objective opinion. :)

Good point. Scott actually uses nicotine-free liquids, so I'll have to make that clear:
"Because vaping looks like smoking people immediately associate the two and come to a bad conclusion," says Scott B, of Santa Clarita, CA. Scott says he was not a cigarette smoker, but he now enjoys electronic pipes and cigars with nicotine-free cartridges. "They need to be educated to understand the fundamental differences."
 

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You're right Kristin...the dispersion rate is mere seconds and that is what the audience doesn't know. My independent timing of dispersion rate is 2 whole seconds, virtually no hang time in the air. Most people haven't seen the difference in output.

So, users can say that vapor emitted during exhalation contains inert water vapor that disperses harmlessly and immediately. This sentence is scientifially accurate and would dispel the myths that vaping is the same as smoking. Just an opinion...what say you?;)
 
You're right Kristin...the dispersion rate is mere seconds and that is what the audience doesn't know. My independent timing of dispersion rate is 2 whole seconds, virtually no hang time in the air. Most people haven't seen the difference in output.

So, users can say that vapor emitted during exhalation contains inert water vapor that disperses harmlessly and immediately. This sentence is scientifially accurate and would dispel the myths that vaping is the same as smoking. Just an opinion...what say you?;)

Just saw this as was passing. The thing is, when we say the vapor disperses, it does only 'disappears' visually, the constituents just become too small to see and become increasingly diluted in the air.

Breath always contains quite a bit of water vapor - the vapor from the e-cig though contains very little - it is PG vapor, plus minute amounts of nicotine and flavorings.

ps: I'd stongly suggest running the final draft past a couple of technical people before releasing it.
 
Further to my first point re the current title - the casual reader will simply get the impression that there is negative reaction to vaping, and that could well be the lasting impression. In other words, it will, in some cases, only serve to reinforce the the idea that there is opposition (and presume there are good reasons).

Yes, need to refute the negatives, but without focusing on them; rather do so indirectly by focusing on the positves.
 

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I confess I have not read the other thread yet, but I'm headed there now.

I really wish the article was written by a non-smoker/vaper. The other thread may explain that you are a head writer for NY Times, but even that prestige will be dismissed as you are/were a smoker, who turned to E-cigs. In no way am I discrediting the excellent piece of writing I see in your article; please know that others will dismiss it on sole fact that you benefited from PVs. We can't do anything for those people. But we don't need to give them a reason to outright dismiss the article because, well, that is what those types of people do. Close the door on them. ;)

Would it be possible to find a colleague who never smoked and simply let that person chronicled the journeys in the story? Of course, you would still be writing it, and given credit for it.

New Colleague: "I have been asked to finish an article written by Kristin. I am not a smoker, and Kristin is on maternity leave." (whatever!) :D

IMHO, your article MUST include the accidental quitter phenomenon because it is real, and real common to e-cig or vaporizer users. I did not purchase my e-cig/PV/Inhaler to quit smoking. I purchased it out of curiosity. Again, I had no plan to quit. It just so happened that I did quit smoking, and accidentally, not intended. Without the e-cig/PV/inhaler, I would have never quit, accidentally or otherwise.

When I finally knew I was "officially off" the analogs, I went straight to my Doctor's website and went through the step by step stop smoking procedure using the "most highly recommended methods of quitting smoking, and how to "properly quit."

First step in most all quit smoking plans is set a date. The reason I quit smoking is precisely because I did not set a date, and did not care if I smoked an analog. And if I did, I certainly did not feel I failed anything. Again, I never set out to quit. Sorry, it just happened, accidentally. Sue me! :D
 

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I am an accidental quitter. I got my first e cig thinking it might be handy for when I couldn't smoke a real cigarette. I have smoked 2-3 pks/day for 40 years. I quit once for 2 months but decided I loved to smoke too much. When my first e cig arrived I charged it and gave it a try. I thought "Wow" this is smoking. The first week I did still smoke a few analogs a day but within a week I had completely quit. I have to say it was pretty painless. I love my e cig and still feel like a smoker. I still take smoke breaks with the smokers but have no desire to smoke a cigarette. I feel better, can take deeper breaths and my husband is thrilled. I have to say I am somewhat amazed by all the negative reactions but I think another poster hit the nail on the head. Follow the money to find the motivation.
 

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No offense, but this is why I didn't want critiques by people who are not participating or following the whole of the threads. Weighing in on something of which you do not know the whole story is frustrating to those who have to explain themselves and/or defend their position.

I suggest changing the thrust to not be defensive. Be positive; the very first word of the title is 'negative'!

I would focus on all the positive reaction and near the end mention the ways some people misunderstand, etc.

I disagree. Too obvious and trite. Acknowledging that there is negative press gains credibility. Otherwise it just sounds like one big advertisement and that vapers are in denial. The article is a work in progress and only 1/3 complete.

Further to my first point re the current title - the casual reader will simply get the impression that there is negative reaction to vaping, and that could well be the lasting impression. In other words, it will, in some cases, only serve to reinforce the the idea that there is opposition (and presume there are good reasons).

Yes, need to refute the negatives, but without focusing on them; rather do so indirectly by focusing on the positves.

There IS a negative reaction to vaping. That's the whole point. Maybe someone who is used to all of the negative press (which u\sually get MORE attention from the public) will read it and be surprised at what they learn. I won't change the whole purpose of the article for "a few cases." Sorry.

And I don't feel it's defensive at all. I think it definately piques the reader's curiosity. "Hmmm...negative reaction? What's that? And why are they mystified?? I should read this!"


I confess I have not read the other thread yet, but I'm headed there now.

I really wish the article was written by a non-smoker/vaper. The other thread may explain that you are a head writer for NY Times, but even that prestige will be dismissed as you are/were a smoker, who turned to E-cigs. In no way am I discrediting the excellent piece of writing I see in your article; please know that others will dismiss it on sole fact that you benefited from PVs. We can't do anything for those people. But we don't need to give them a reason to outright dismiss the article because, well, that is what those types of people do. Close the door on them. ;)

Would it be possible to find a colleague who never smoked and simply let that person chronicled the journeys in the story? Of course, you would still be writing it, and given credit for it.

New Colleague: "I have been asked to finish an article written by Kristin. I am not a smoker, and Kristin is on maternity leave." (whatever!) :D

IMHO, your article MUST include the accidental quitter phenomenon because it is real, and real common to e-cig or vaporizer users. I did not purchase my e-cig/PV/Inhaler to quit smoking. I purchased it out of curiosity. Again, I had no plan to quit. It just so happened that I did quit smoking, and accidentally, not intended. Without the e-cig/PV/inhaler, I would have never quit, accidentally or otherwise.

When I finally knew I was "officially off" the analogs, I went straight to my Doctor's website and went through the step by step stop smoking procedure using the "most highly recommended methods of quitting smoking, and how to "properly quit."

First step in most all quit smoking plans is set a date. The reason I quit smoking is precisely because I did not set a date, and did not care if I smoked an analog. And if I did, I certainly did not feel I failed anything. Again, I never set out to quit. Sorry, it just happened, accidentally. Sue me! :D

The whole point is that it is written by someone who actually USES the ecigs. So far, we are the unheard and ignored masses!!! Articles and press releases thus far have been written by non-vapers against vaping, smokers who haven't tried it and jump on the "I don't get it" bandwagon and distributors with an obvious financial gain to protect. Vapers are silent images on the tv, puffing something that looks just like smoke.

Secondly, if you pay attention to what non-vapers are saying, they still think vaping IS smoking. They don't consider us as "accidental quitters" because they see no difference in vaping and smoking. The purpose of this article is to demonstrate that difference and the other misinformation out there.

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Once again, if people are going to critique the article, I would appreciate if they would read up on the background of it and the other thread and participate. If people aren't going to be a part of the solution and help, frankly, I don't care about their opinion. I'm tired people on this forum .....ing and moaning about how unfair it is that they can't get thier supplies due to the FDA or can't vape in the mall anymore because it's been banned, yet can't take a few minutes to HELP DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. :confused:

Sorry, I'm a little tired and cranky because I was up until 4am trying to HELP vapers with this article, few could be bothered to help or follow directions and I had to be up at 9:30am. :rolleyes:
 
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I made a good suggestion.

The title is meaningless. Everything has opponents and the fans are surprised why others don't see things their way. So what?

I said already it is important to address the criticisms - but no need to do so defensively. But I think now I am wasting my effort. You can only see your own way so don't know why you asked ...

And most are not 'mystified' by the reaction - some are ill-informed, fear the new, etc, and the big guns have vested interests.

You can disagree about whether this might simply reinforce the negatives but you should at least make an effort to get the facts right before releasing it, as otherwise it could well do more harm than good. That includes misleading statements like 'the exhaled vapor contains water vapor'. All exhaled breath contains water vapor.

I think your manner is agressive. "I'm tired people on this forum .....ing and moaning"

You said it. Pity this is not being written by someone else, someone less trite.

I'm out.
 
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Deleted my outburst.

I'm tired and crabby. While trying to do this, my husband is working 3.5 hours away, I'm working full time, caring for small children and trying to pack for a move to a new city - pretty much on my own. I don't have patience for arrogance and smugness when I am just trying to do a good thing.

If someone can do this article better than me, I welcome them to it. Otherwise, please show me a little repect and honor my requests in this thread.

Good night.
 
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