Nemesis clone nightmare - need help please...

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dragonpuff

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Ok here's the story of my first mod...

I only recently got into third generation equipment - I've been an ego/evod girl up until this point. For my first mod I bought a black nemesis from My Freedom Smokes. I'd been a customer there for a while so I trusted them, and they had them on sale.

So long story short - when I got it it worked fine, but I noticed that there were no notches cut into the threads as there should be, and so there was no venting whatsoever when the locking ring was up. I contacted customer support, and initially the guy seemed concerned.. but after talking to the returns department he basically said there was nothing wrong with that but he'd replace it if I'm "still not satisfied with its construction." I got upset and said I didn't feel like they were taking the issue seriously, that this is a safety concern. He said he would be willing to replace it instead with their stainless steel nemesis, which costs a couple dollars more and is arguably better quality. I agreed, sent back the black mod at my own expense, and got my new SS clone in the mail.

Now, I could tell right away that it was better quality than the last one. However, when I screwed my nautilus onto the top I noticed something was wrong. It wasn't sitting flush with the top of the mod. I checked all my tanks, and when I screw them all the way into the SS nemesis they lean to the side, and there is a noticeable gap on one side between the tank and the mod. The 510 threads in the top cap were cut wrong. This is the replacement I got!

Well obviously I didn't want to risk getting yet a third defective model from them (especially since I would have to pay shipping yet again), so I sent them an email simply saying that the new model is defective as well, and I did not want to go through the process of replacing it again. I suggested they start ordering from a different manufacturer. I then went ahead and ordered a replacement top cap from another website called vaping Walrus; they were the only ones willing to sell me the top cap only in stainless steel (every other place wants me to buy a bag of parts for the same price as the whole mod).

So now I just got the top cap in the mail - and it doesn't fit! The threads on the MFS clone are considerably wider in diameter than the threads on the new cap!

:shock:

Ok, so this is a lot of bull to have to go through over one stupid clone, so someone please help so I can put this behind me already. First of all, was I wrong to expect that nemesis clones are all made to the same specifications, and therefore the parts are universal? Are they really all cut differently, or is it just that the MFS ones are cut to weird, new specs that no one else uses? Or is it the fault of the store who sent me the new top cap, are they the ones cutting the threads weird? (I'm more inclined to believe it's MFS simply because of all the issues I've already had with them). Is it worth paying the shipping, again, to send the top cap back?

Is it worth trying to salvage this mod, at all, at this point? Or would I be better off taking it outside and smashing it with a hammer (with the battery out of course :D), which I'm more than willing to do at this point, and just saving my money and buying a brand new one and starting over?

I'm still using the nemesis even though the tank leans because it is still my only mod :( and I realize now that with all the money I've spent trying to fix the problems with this one I could've just bought a new one on fasttech...

(Please don't say this is my fault for buying a clone or buying cheap stuff - I bought from a place I thought I could trust.)

So tell me, what should I do now?...
 

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You bought from a place you thought you could trust, but bought an item that you can't trust. Why would you trust a counterfeiting machine that steals the designs of others and capitalizes on them, that routinely proves that they care nothing about vapers, that even stoops to rewrapping lesser batteries and selling them as premium, putting the user at risk?

Hit it with a hammer and walk away. If you feel the need to have a mod that looks like a Nemesis spend the bucks and buy a Nemesis. Then if you have an issue with it you can talk to the *guy* who made it.
 

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You bought from a place you thought you could trust, but bought an item that you can't trust. Why would you trust a counterfeiting machine that steals the designs of others and capitalizes on them, that routinely proves that they care nothing about vapers, that even stoops to rewrapping lesser batteries and selling them as premium, putting the user at risk?

Hit it with a hammer and walk away. If you feel the need to have a mod that looks like a Nemesis spend the bucks and buy a Nemesis. Then if you have an issue with it you can talk to the *guy* who made it.
Not very helpful.
 

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I ran into similar issues with my Nemesis clone. The top tube for 18650 mode has bad threads at the top, preventing the top cap from screwing down tightly. I have to run it in 18500/18350 mode instead. I followed a friend's suggestion and purchased an inexpensive mod with 20/1 threading (Vanilla copper). There are several mods with this thread type (i.e. Caravello), so it makes it easier to find parts or customize.

A link is included to a thread here on 20/1 threaded items:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/apv-discussion/516930-list-20-1-threaded-mods-attys.html
 

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I'm not against clones, but this is definitely the risk you take in buying them. I've accepted that and have a few that were complete junk, including a black nemesis clone.

Honestly, I wouldn't waste anymore money on it. But that's just me. Take the loss and move on and find something quality. There are some well built clones, just gotta search around and read reviews and such. Also keep in mind there are plenty of great affordable authentics with owners who stand by their products.
 

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For what it's worth, if the only possible way I can get a mod without issues is to buy one that is not a clone, then it will be a very long time before I can afford a mod. I am underemployed and can't afford to spend over 100 dollars just to get something authentic, so if authentic is really my only option then I may as well just sell off all the batteries I have and go back to ego batteries. Telling me I must only go authentic is not a solution - there's a reason I asked everyone not to do that in my original post.

Anumber, I do not have an issue with the pin. I unscrew it almost all the way before screwing the tank on, then I screw the pin back in until it makes contact. Even doing that, the tank ends up leaning to the side when I screw it in.

As for the new cap, it won't screw on to any of the nemesis tubes. The threads on the new cap are just a little smaller in diameter. I honestly thought about putting plumber's tape around it to fatten it up so it would screw on, but I'm not sure that is the safest way to go (electric tape didn't work, I tried...).

Snork, are you referring to MFS in particular? Previous to this purchase I had only bought evod style batteries, tanks, liquid, and miscellaneous parts from them. I had never purchased any mods or mod batteries from them (or anyone) before this. Does that store actually rewrap batteries?? :unsure: That is good to know, and I wish I knew that before I bought all of this. Yes, I am looking forward to a good hammer smashing if that is how this turns out. :)

Does anyone have any ideas about who sells decent clones? I mean, ones that work as intended, and don't have ridiculous machining issues like this? I have yet to see someone buy a nemesis clone from fasttech that they have serious issues with (as far as I've seen anyway), is that the way I should go?
 

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The fasttech $26 Nemesis is a good one. I have had a few pass through my hands. No issues and its a 1:1 clone.

Thanks :) I looked at that one, and I like it :) I have a few more weeks to decide (bills come first...), so any other suggestions for decent clones?
 

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Hate that you are going through this. Unfortunately some Venders only see the Profit margin and will Go cheapest possible even if it means Crap product. I'll wager the selling price is in line with Better Clone.

Remove your center pin(fully unscrew) and pick a device to place on top. Screw it down until it stops.
If it is only slightly displaced, Pull toward the Gap and twist.

You may be catching on a Burr from the Air supply Holes.

9 Nemesis from Fasttech - All parts interchange(and fit the Original) All work great.:)
 

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The cap and switch both got stuck, and I just spent 20 minutes trying to open it up just to change the battery! I ended up having to use 2 pairs of pliers, and now there's teeth marks on my nemesis... it still works though...

:cry:

Now I really wanna smash it with a hammer! I am definitely buying a new one as soon as I can. For $20 my bills can wait. I don't wanna deal with this anymore.
 

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Hate that you are going through this. Unfortunately some Venders only see the Profit margin and will Go cheapest possible even if it means Crap product. I'll wager the selling price is in line with Better Clone.

Remove your center pin(fully unscrew) and pick a device to place on top. Screw it down until it stops.
If it is only slightly displaced, Pull toward the Gap and twist.

You may be catching on a Burr from the Air supply Holes.

9 Nemesis from Fasttech - All parts interchange(and fit the Original) All work great.:)

I did try what you suggested. Unfortunately the gap is too wide.

I'm just gonna eat the loss and buy another one.

I always have this belief that if I try hard enough, I can fix anything or solve any problem. But sometimes you just have to eat the cost and buy again.

I learned a lot in this process about how to be more aware of who I'm buying from. I did not know at the time I bought this that if a shop's top-of-the-line charger is a Trustfire brand, they probably shouldn't be trusted :glare: now I know.

Thank you Crxess and Anumber for your help :) I'm going to go on fasttech now and buy another mod. At least I know their customer service will be better if I have any issues with it.
 

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Let me guess... The EHPro Nemesis clone? I have the same one. It sounds like I got lucky as it works well enough. On mine the thumbscrew in the switch continuously backs out little by little throughout the day, so about 3 times a day I have to remove the switch and retighten the thumbscrew. I found out after buying it that the EHPro Nemesis is NOT a 1:1 clone, and the threads are not the same as the original. Luckily I found that out before buying one of the many hybrid toppers made for the Nemesis.

Needless to say my venture into mechs was short and sweet. I'll stick with the Provari. The same one I've been using for over 3 years without a single issue. I know the underemployed issue. It really is worth it to get something acceptable, and then save up for a great one that will last.

Sorry that took a left turn up there from what I was trying to say. In any case, good luck with your next mod. The most important thing I can say about the clones is to make sure they are in fact 1:1 clones before you purchase, so that any replacement parts will fit.
 

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Let me guess... The EHPro Nemesis clone? I have the same one. It sounds like I got lucky as it works well enough. On mine the thumbscrew in the switch continuously backs out little by little throughout the day, so about 3 times a day I have to remove the switch and retighten the thumbscrew. I found out after buying it that the EHPro Nemesis is NOT a 1:1 clone, and the threads are not the same as the original. Luckily I found that out before buying one of the many hybrid toppers made for the Nemesis.

Needless to say my venture into mechs was short and sweet. I'll stick with the Provari. The same one I've been using for over 3 years without a single issue. I know the underemployed issue. It really is worth it to get something acceptable, and then save up for a great one that will last.

Sorry that took a left turn up there from what I was trying to say. In any case, good luck with your next mod. The most important thing I can say about the clones is to make sure they are in fact 1:1 clones before you purchase, so that any replacement parts will fit.

It could be EHPro. I don't know where they get their clones from, but I do know that whoever made them is awful with quality and consistency, since both the original and the replacement have machining errors. I look forward to having at least one authentic clone when I have gainful employment :) but for now I just want something that works. I don't even sub ohm or anything like that, I just need mods that will work with standard clearo tanks like the nautilus and aerotank and take 18650 IMR batteries. I don't ask much :)

How do you go about finding out if a clone is actually 1:1? I know some vendors can say that's what they sell, but how do you know for sure?
 

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It could be EHPro. I don't know where they get their clones from, but I do know that whoever made them is awful with quality and consistency, since both the original and the replacement have machining errors. I look forward to having at least one authentic clone when I have gainful employment :) but for now I just want something that works. I don't even sub ohm or anything like that, I just need mods that will work with standard clearo tanks like the nautilus and aerotank and take 18650 IMR batteries. I don't ask much :)

How do you go about finding out if a clone is actually 1:1? I know some vendors can say that's what they sell, but how do you know for sure?

Honestly the easiest way is once you decide on one you like, do a search on here, or start a thread to ask. Chances are, other people have already purchaced it. Someone already mentioned that the Nem clone on Fastech is 1:1 if that's what you want. Just be aware that Fastech's cheap prices also come with about a month long shipping time.
 

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Possibly go to a b&m. There you can inspect it and make sure its up to snuff. Sure you may pay a little more but you know what your getting. I would never buy a guitar without playing it I will probly not buy a mech without handling it first. Just me.

Unfortunately B&Ms are in short supply here. I live in a very rural area (more cows than people), and we have two B&Ms. One is described by almost everyone as "shady," so I've never been there, and the other sells ego style products and hardly any high end equipment (they have like 2 digital mods and 4 tanks). I know there are more B&Ms in the city, but I only go up there when I have to because I don't know my way around very well and it's loaded with one way streets.

I would love to be able to check out mods at a B&M before I buy :) I'll ask the shop owner next time I go up there if they have any plans for stocking mechs any time soon.

I am proud to announce that I just bought a new nemesis on fasttech :D so in 100 days or so when it gets here my troubles will be over :laugh: I took the opportunity to get a blue stainless steel one this time, it is very difficult to find mods in different colors so I thought I'd better get it while I can (I'm so stingy I'll probably never buy another nemesis just to have it in a different color). I'm looking forward to it, crossing my fingers for no issues this time!
 

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