never smoked an analog, but vaping is awesome!
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Just wanted to point out that most testing in the US for FDA and EPA regulations are 'sponsored', if not performed, by the companies wanting to sell the product being tested. The costs of these tests would be prohibitive for anyone but the company developing the product in order to make a profit from it.
Absolutely true... and this is why we have so many different types of ...... and psych meds and why drugs like .... (pure clinical ecstasy) that are cheap and have been proven to cure people in one or two doses (especially from PTSD, in the case of ....) are having such a hard time getting funding... there's no money to be made off them so no one feels like paying for the research.
Pharmaceutical companies do all their investigations and sometimes lie about the drugs that we're supposed to take that are supposedly safe and effective.... and it's not that drugs don't have their place in life, because obviously they can range from helpful to life saving, but I don't know that they're really the most objective investigators either!
This part isnt entirely true.
"""However this is a new technology and the amount of research that's been done up to this point is very preliminary. and honestly neither were particularly independent. As one it of testing was done by the FDA in order to try and justify their ban and the other was funded and sponsored by a company that wants to sell ecigs."""
While More testing certainly needs to be done, and long term effects need to be looked into.
A Whole lot more then just two studies have been done, more like 20 then add in the numerous studies on inhalation of PG and the Nicotine(only) studies and E-cigs have a pretty strong case here.
"""However this is a new technology and the amount of research that's been done up to this point is very preliminary. and honestly neither were particularly independent. As one it of testing was done by the FDA in order to try and justify their ban and the other was funded and sponsored by a company that wants to sell ecigs."""
While More testing certainly needs to be done, and long term effects need to be looked into.
A Whole lot more then just two studies have been done, more like 20 then add in the numerous studies on inhalation of PG and the Nicotine(only) studies and E-cigs have a pretty strong case here.
Hey there Stillalive, you should check out FSUSA FreedomSmokeUSA
I order all my juice from them. My wife is a non smoker and she vapes their 0mg liquid. I'm a huge fan of the applewwod and perique black mixed together. I did try a sample of Life's Good and will be buying a 30ml bottle of it. FSUSA has excellent customer service and they ship fast. I live in Germany at the moment and rely on APO shipping. I got my order in like 4 days. That is crazy fast. Check them out, you won't be disapoint.
I order all my juice from them. My wife is a non smoker and she vapes their 0mg liquid. I'm a huge fan of the applewwod and perique black mixed together. I did try a sample of Life's Good and will be buying a 30ml bottle of it. FSUSA has excellent customer service and they ship fast. I live in Germany at the moment and rely on APO shipping. I got my order in like 4 days. That is crazy fast. Check them out, you won't be disapoint.
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OP I understand what you are doing and support your freedom to do so, but PLEASE be careful, dont go to analogs, and make sure you know what you are getting into. PM me if you need to talk or advice.
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it wasnt probably a good idea start vaping whilst being a none smoker, but i'm glad you enjoy it. welcome to the world of vaping! 
Admittedly some research has probably been done in the last year that I'm not aware of.
And yes I know that many of the component parts have been tested such as PG inhalation however not much long term research has been done on the combined process that takes place during the use of an ECig there just hasn't been enough time elapsed since the Ecig was created.
There is always the possibility that the combination of the chemicals used in Ecigs with the elements used in construction of the device and how it functions will produce some unforeseen result.
Also considering how polluted our general environment is it can be extremely difficult to tease out negative consequences from the use of these devices from the background noise.
I'm not being alarmist here, I'm still vaping like steam engine after all.
I'm just saying that it is way to early to many any conclusive claims about the long term heath affects of vaping. And frankly unless we figure out a way to beat aging I'll probably not live long enough to find out the ultimate answer to that question.
Love your sig btw
Well, yeah, long term effects, who knows, but frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. I'm more worried now that as a smoker I didn't start saving for my pension. I would never reach that age anyway, so why bother? Now that I'm rethinking, it's probably too late. That's a long term effect that constantly gets considerably gets shorter all the time.
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Whatever the long term effects of vaping may be, they can't be as bad as the ones from smoking.
I seriously have to wonder though, how harmful breathing in automobile exhaust is for us. Unless one lives in the middle of nowhere, it's impossible to get away from that.
I seriously have to wonder though, how harmful breathing in automobile exhaust is for us. Unless one lives in the middle of nowhere, it's impossible to get away from that.
This is probably true but we don't actually know this. It might turn out that we're all getting heavy metal poisoning and rather than die in 20 years from smoking related damage we'll all croak in 2 from that.
That said I look at like the choice between jumping from a cliff into a raging river vs standing your ground and getting shot in the face. There is a chance that you might survive the jump while your pretty sure the result of gun shot to the head is going to have terminal results.
Maybe that's a bit of an overstatement of what I really think the risks from vaping are but the point is that when facing the near certain detrimental affects of smoking compared to the potential unknown risks that may or may not exist with vaping. Well I see that as a no-brainer.
truthfully, vaping (especially organic juice only) seems to introduce a lot less weird stuff into your lungs than the asthma treatments most people take every day. I have super mild asthma that only shows up if I get a terrible cough in the winter, and looking at some of the ingredients/drugs that go into my lungs when I have to use my inhaler or the nebulizer? I'd rather get my drug delivery from vaping! PG is one of the less worrisome things in the pharmeceutical lung treatments people are prescribed every day...
I'd rather get my drug delivery from vaping! PG is one of the less worrisome things in the pharmeceutical lung treatments people are prescribed every day...
Really skex? We've got members of this forum that have vaped for over 4 years that still drop by occasionally. They report perfect health. If you're that worried about it, why don't you go by CASAA and donate some money toward the testing that they've been trying to fund for the last 6 months or so. I'm guessing not many people are worried about that or the freedom to vape, since donations to them tend to be rather low.
Non-smoker picking up the cigarette habit? I don't get that either (but I did it anyway, like an idiot!)
Edit: Oops... this was in reply to a poster who said they couldn't understand a non-smoker picking up the e-cig habit.
Edit: Oops... this was in reply to a poster who said they couldn't understand a non-smoker picking up the e-cig habit.
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probably in a non-organic tomato. Not that that stopped me from eating exactly that with my lunch today, but I'm aiming to be a little more careful with what goes into my lungs, especially since I didn't even come from smoking-- I feel obligated to do things as safely as possible so I don't bring bad light to e-cigs, lol.
Other than maybe some fertilizer or pesticide on the outside of a non-organic tomato, that could be ingested if it wasn't washed properly, what would be inside a non-organic tomato that wouldn't be in an organic one?
I think the commenter that mentioned carcinogens in a tomato was confusing nicotine, which is found in tomatoes in trace amounts, with carcinogens... nicotine is not a carcinogen, and I'm not aware of any carcinogens in a tomato. The levels of nicotine in vegetables are measured in nanograms, not milligrams, so we're talking like hundreds of thousands of times less per gram than would be found in ejuice or another tobacco product.
People can make their own choices and ought to be allowed to. That said, I DO NOT like being a slave to nicotine. I would prefer being able to not need an ecig or gum or patch or analog. I love my ecigs, the flavored juices are yummy, and I have no plans to give them up. But the addiction to the nicotine..as pleasurable as it can be to get a fix when I've gone without for a few hours..I wish I didn't have that and had the self control and motivation to give it up. Just like cigarettes, my ecig now goes everywhere with me and I can't just forget about it for a couple of hours because I need the nicotine or I turn into a crazy nicotine withdrawal monster ripping off heads left and right. Freedom from stinky smoke and coughing is great. Freedom from all of it would be even better.
To the OP welcome and please what ever you decide DO NOT I mean DO NOT vape Bacon....It's horrible I mean absolutely foul.
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