New design idea for atomisers

[NU_FTW]

Sure, induction heating is a well established technology. You can get it for your range top. You just need to use a magnetic metal for the heat transfer (flat bottom pots and pans work best). Then there's this old standby which is quite inexpensive to obtain. It even offers VW/VV
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Perfect for dripping!

LoL the number of times i have thought about posting one of those, and you actually did it lol

 

[Joergl100]

Ahhh... Bach!!

Radar...in M.A.S.H...I love it!

 

[Bunnykiller]

the only thing I can think of that would be quick would be a 100W infrared laser, instant on and off but the power supply would be outragious

 

[Joergl100]

Great, then we will need vaper glasses...to avoid getting blinded by that laser!

 

[VHRB2014]

Ha, ha. I like my old fashioned metal coils and cotton wick more and more. At least I can fix it, LOL. Cray cray.

 

[MrCloudMaker]

So turns out an infrared core instead of a coil will not work. As it takes too long to cool down, this may be bad if you wanted to carry your device in your pocket, which i imagine most people do. Also harder to direct the heat as it wants to start cooking the battery whilst warming up.

However i am now looking into something else inspired by the evoke, magnetic heating elements are v.1 piezoelectric generator sheets are v2 these have replaced magnetic generators in,

Therefore using static generated from piezoelectric sheets it is possible to get up to a 100 watt fire by atom manipulation without the need for a battery. As a consequence this will mean that their will be a need for some human "work" such as a winding/release system.

It would be easy to create a wind up system that would replace batteries but not sure people would sacrifice the ease of pushing a button to spinning a handle when they wanted to vape.

 

[MrCloudMaker]

If you're looking for a different way to vapourise eliquid here's one idea I had that doesn't use heat at all. If you can make a vacuum/partial vacuum above a pool of liquid it'll turn into vapour without the application of heat. Sounded great when I thought of it, till I realised that for it to work as a vape you would need a tank approximately the volume of your lungs to get anything satisfying from it, plus a huge air pump to create the vacuum. Please pick holes in the idea.

So i tried to vaporize using a vacuum it didn't really work with PG or VG as the base carrier as the liquid has to be preheated before the Vaccum, PG and VG has a higher boiling point so would be hot to handle the device however using distilled water as the carrier it is possible to vaporize under the following temperatures (including room temperature) with these PSI www.jbind.com/pdf/Cross-Reference-of-Boiling-Temps.pdf so it is completely possible to do and oddly will mean less chemicals too just 3 will try to make a test device, but theory works.

 

[Shirtbloke]

So i tried to vaporize using a vacuum it didn't really work with PG or VG as the base carrier as the liquid has to be preheated before the Vaccum, PG and VG has a higher boiling point so would be hot to handle the device however using distilled water as the carrier it is possible to vaporize under the following temperatures (including room temperature) with these PSI www.jbind.com/pdf/Cross-Reference-of-Boiling-Temps.pdf so it is completely possible to do and oddly will mean less chemicals too just 3 will try to make a test device, but theory works.

Glad my idea has inspired someone to have a try at getting it to work. Keep us informed as to how it goes. Maybe we'll all be vacuum vapers in a couple of years time.

 

[MrCloudMaker]

Glad my idea has inspired someone to have a try at getting it to work. Keep us informed as to how it goes. Maybe we'll all be vacuum vapers in a couple of years time.

Unfortunately after testing it cannot be practically done, the PG/VG condensates straight after ejecting the from the vacuum, forced propulsion causes it too condensate and return to its liquid state in the mouth (not very nice). I tried to used water as the carrier as previously mentioned as it has lower boiling point and the vapor was coming out hot at about 80C, roughly the heat of a freshly made cup of tea far too hot to enjoy and a little burny.

However from a DIY juice perspective splitting the juice into particles via a vacuum and allowing it to condensate does mean 100% equal and even mixing instantly steeping the juices. going to do a blind taste test on my fiancee to see if any difference to just made version.

This has made me think about making a DIY juice mixing machine. 100% straight to vape perfect juice every time. Ill let you know how i get on with that one

 

[Shirtbloke]

However from a DIY juice perspective splitting the juice into particles via a vacuum and allowing it to condensate does mean 100% equal and even mixing instantly steeping the juices

Does that mean that you have to heat the PG/VG/Nic/Flavouring mixture while doing it? Surely it'd be difficult to separate out the effects of heating versus vacuum.

 

[MrCloudMaker]

Does that mean that you have to heat the PG/VG/Nic/Flavouring mixture while doing it? Surely it'd be difficult to separate out the effects of heating versus vacuum.

It depends on achievable pressure of the vacuum. i mean heated to warmish not hot

A pre warmed liquid will need less PSI to vapourise, However it is completely achievable to vaporize without warming it first but requires a lot more technical hardware.

You can use a syringe and some water to create a vacuum to see what i mean.

draw a little cold water (0.2ml) into medium 2ml syringe, block end off pull back plunger to create a vacuum it won't really do much. Repeat the experiment by using same amount of water and heat it so it is about 40c then try again you will see it bubble. repeat a last time with 85C water ( you will see it vaporize).

repeating the experiment with 5ml syringe (will be hard to pull back) and you will see that the larger vaccum creates more psi and has a similar effect to heating. Mix the two together more psi, more heat and bingo.

Although one thing highly highly important about heating PG or VG is as it has a very high boiling point (PG 180C VG 290C). Therefore NEVER ever ever boil it (under normal atmospheric pressure) any thing that comes in contact with it whilst boiling will combust, or it will give you some very nasty burns!

 

[Alien Traveler]

Crazyshirt a good idea in principle but would need to be a filter than was less than 4.5 microns or vape would escape. Producing a filter like that would be nearly impossible an would be mega expensive about €40 each and you would be replacing them every tank or so.

Filters are cheap.
For example: $7.95 for 10 filters of 0.45 micron
https://www.amazon.com/SEOH-Syringe...ial&ie=UTF8&qid=1486920130&sr=1-1-spons&psc=1

 

[Alien Traveler]

Although one thing highly highly important about heating PG or VG is as it has a very high boiling point (PG 180C VG 290C). Therefore NEVER ever ever boil it (under normal atmospheric pressure) any thing that comes in contact with it whilst boiling will combust, or it will give you some very nasty burns!

Just for comparison - oil for deep frying is heated to 190C

 

[DC2]

Bestest thread ever.

And we've got Cyprus, Germany, and Spain all chiming in.
Can't get any better than that.

 

[MrCloudMaker]

Just for comparison - oil for deep frying is heated to 190C

That's true so in theory boiling pg shouldn't be too bad, but if you ever put water into boiling oil you see the violent reaction. And pure pg may be ok but if it is a solution with other elements would be volition at high heat.

 

[MrCloudMaker]

Bestest thread ever.

And we've got Cyprus, Germany, and Spain all chiming in.
Can't get any better than that.

Vaping solving world peace before politics

 

[Alien Traveler]

That's true so in theory boiling pg shouldn't be too bad, but if you ever put water into boiling oil you see the violent reaction. And pure pg may be ok but if it is a solution with other elements would be volition at high heat.

Putting drops of water in hot VG may cause splashes and other unpleasant things.
Making solution VG-water is OK. I did it (as many others did). It was not bad. Even better with Scotch. Or Bourbon.

 

[NU_FTW]

I had my suspicions about the vacuum because the only reason it "vaporizes" is because it is under vacuum, once released if it does not get any energy put in to make it into steam it will instantly condensate as the vacuum is no longer acting on it to pull it apart.


Now i say go the other direction. Try and make a pressurized aerosol no wick no heat you will need a nozzle able to achieve consistent tiny spray so as to not be too wet.