Done! I noticed 96% of Florida OPPOSES this Bill while a mere 8% support it. (Out of 96 users).... C'mon Florida.... get crackin' with the opposition of this Bill!
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Done! I noticed 96% of Florida OPPOSES this Bill while a mere 8% support it. (Out of 96 users).... C'mon Florida.... get crackin' with the opposition of this Bill!
Done! I noticed 96% of Florida OPPOSES this Bill while a mere 8% support it. (Out of 96 users).... C'mon Florida.... get crackin' with the opposition of this Bill!
Oh, I tried to resist, I really did......honest. They must have them there hanging chads working again in Fla.
Would that be Chad Stuart (of Chad and Jeremy) or Chad Everett (Dr. Joe Gannon in the 1970s television drama Medical Center)? And why are they still hanging?
96 +8 = 104%, maybe more like Chicago (vote early, vote often
Even if you are dead.
here's a stupid comment once again "In a time of limited resources, we should be funding programs that contribute to the greater public good and to our core values as a nation. As an ex-smoker, I believe it is fair to increase the costs of smoking. We have representation for a reason-you have the right to tax a product or service. This is the right way to use taxes--get people to think twice before they buy another carton of cigarettes, and put the funding into crucial special education programs"
Well, Gee, Mr. Ex-smoker. Very noble. How do you plan on making your contribution, in view of the fact that you no longer smoke? Were you planning on sending a check directly to the program? Or do you only believe in committing other people to expenses they may not be able to afford?
*HYPOTHETICAL RESPONSE*
no but smokers are a burden on society and must atone for this by contributing the money that they cost society by forcing them to pay for their lung cancer operation because they're stupid and selfish and can't give up a pointless habit because they have no willpower and are weak minded.
*END HYPOTHETICAL RESPONSE*
that's how these dip $$%s think.
Hypothetically...
Drinkers are a burden on society, over weight folks, fast drivers are burdens on society, so are lovers of risky recreational activities like ATVs, sky diving, mountain climbing, skiing, surfing, skateboarding, trick biking or even hiking, boating and such, all by burden of higher risk.
Every year in the dead of winter, I see armies of rescue personnel searching for lost climbers, helicopters, etc. They couldn't climb in the other season and skip winter? One guy goes off hiking in the forest, 100s search for him. Winter skier rescues? Summer drowning victims, surfer rescues? Do we add "sin taxes" to ATV, climbing, skiing, surfing, etc equipment, swimsuits? When things go wrong while they're out "enjoying" themselves, who pays to rescue them and do they pay extra all through the year?
I would mention sin food taxes, but that's already happening as we lose our liberty one new tax/law at a time.
Drinkers are a burden on society, over weight folks, fast drivers are burdens on society, so are lovers of risky recreational activities like ATVs, sky diving, mountain climbing, skiing, surfing, skateboarding, trick biking or even hiking, boating and such, all by burden of higher risk.
Every year in the dead of winter, I see armies of rescue personnel searching for lost climbers, helicopters, etc. They couldn't climb in the other season and skip winter? One guy goes off hiking in the forest, 100s search for him. Winter skier rescues? Summer drowning victims, surfer rescues? Do we add "sin taxes" to ATV, climbing, skiing, surfing, etc equipment, swimsuits? When things go wrong while they're out "enjoying" themselves, who pays to rescue them and do they pay extra all through the year?
I would mention sin food taxes, but that's already happening as we lose our liberty one new tax/law at a time.
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It sounds like Mr Ex-smoker won't mind in the least having a surtax required on his 1040 for his past transgressions. Since he has that check mark on his medical record, he will forever be a part of the "problem". Epidemiologically speaking, if he/she ends up with a smoking related disease (and just about all diseases with significant morbidity/mortality are considered smoking related) he will represent a portion of the cost to society.
I wonder how Mr. Ex-smoker would feel about funding IDEA then? He sounds like one of those ex-smokers that doesn't use nicotine- a fat, stressed out, cognitively impaired slacker.
they would tell you you can do those things in moderation but you can't smoke in moderation, you're either a chain smoker or a non smoker. which is bull crap, but again, thats what those idiots think.
I did my part and got quite of people to follow suit, but still not enough. I posted in the Supplier's Private Forum to no avail.
While you guys are there SUPPORT the Fair Tax Act I believe it is called. It's been a couple of weeks since I had my say there. But the Fair Tax would abolish the IRS and everybody would pay the same. No more April 15th, tax forms and the Feds would have more money than they could spend. America is crumbling around us and this is about the only thing that will get us back on track. Otherwise, I don't see any relief for another 4 or 5 years at least.
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While you guys are there SUPPORT the Fair Tax Act I believe it is called. It's been a couple of weeks since I had my say there. But the Fair Tax would abolish the IRS and everybody would pay the same. No more April 15th, tax forms and the Feds would have more money than they could spend. America is crumbling around us and this is about the only thing that will get us back on track. Otherwise, I don't see any relief for another 4 or 5 years at least.
Don
I have for many years liked the idea of a consumption tax as opposed to the current income tax system. If properly established, it would better address fair payment by all and the need to get people to understand the importance and advantages of savings. It would also serve as a tremendous relief for every American that actually pays their taxes and dreads that upcoming date in April as it approaches.
The big problem I see with the structure of the Fair Tax Act is that it's based on the final product, rather than a VAT (value added tax) where tax on the final product would be much lower because much of it would have been paid before and built into the final sales price. To me, there's a lot of the wiggle room as proposed. Everyone's going to find a "friend in the business" if the entire tax is paid on the final product. Are you going to go to Home Depot and pay 23% on the supplies for your DIY major home projects when your buddy Dave is in the business and will let you pick up your order on his business account? For 5% he'd more than likely be happy to do it, for 10% he may even be willing to offer advice when you screw up.
The other non-under the table type transactions where the FTA may be an issue (haven't read the act) are large items- cars and homes. Part of the security the lender has is the down payment you make when you purchase. Take a $200K home with a 20% down payment. You need $40K plus closing costs now to purchase that house. With a 23% retail tax you'd $86K plus for the same house. With a VAT, much of the tax is built into the house price itself thus capable of being financed.
With some work, the concept makes a lot of sense along with a sensible approach to "death taxes", but that's a whole other issue- too many trust fund families.
I would counter with their own logic that smokers die younger, therefore cost society less on healthcare. 10-20 more years of keeping non-smokers alive could get expensive. To save on aggregate health costs, they should encourage smokers to smoke more and start more smoking (joke).
I would counter with their own logic that smokers die younger, therefore cost society less on healthcare. 10-20 more years of keeping non-smokers alive could get expensive. To save on aggregate health costs, they should encourage smokers to smoke more and start more smoking (joke).
Furthermore, smokers pay into medicare and social security yet don't live to receive payback of their "contributions"!
I would counter with their own logic that smokers die younger, therefore cost society less on healthcare. 10-20 more years of keeping non-smokers alive could get expensive. To save on aggregate health costs, they should encourage smokers to smoke more and start more smoking (joke).
well see that is incorrect just because for the most part smoking related diseases aren't instant and involve being in the hospital for a few months or even a few years before they die, which DOES get expensive. Chemo is an expensive drug! but as everybody has said before, smoking isn't the only thing that causes premature death by a drawn out, expensive-to-treat disease, it's just smoking is the most looked down upon because cig smoke smells bad so nonsmokers don't want to deal with it and that's what this mostly comes down to.
I chalk the whole thing up to socially acceptable behavior. 70 years ago, if you did not offer someone a cigarette when you meet, it was considered impolite. Drinking is still socially acceptable, but if one day it became unpopular (never say never), the same persecution will result.
where the hell did everybody go on this? we got like 400 new opposition votes in the last week then all of a sudden it's nearly stopped in the last few days. what happened?
Thank you Royalgate, Joined opposed and commented.
I agree that this forum should take a larger stand in issues such as these by posting this in a place where more ECF members are likely to see it. You could make Special Alert Posts and place them as stickies in the general sub forum and other popular sub forums. If I owned ECF I know I would do that to maximize exposure.
I think ArtByLisabelle hit the support button by mistake and it's sad to see Eciggerssuck and BethMoore sound so hateful out of fear and lack of knowledge. (see the comments section) In fact I think I know who BethMoore and ElectricMan is from another forum.. Interesting.
It said I changed the pie chart, it's now at 94 % opposed but I am sure this is not the only source for commenting to Congress so who knows how this bill may really be doing.
I agree that this forum should take a larger stand in issues such as these by posting this in a place where more ECF members are likely to see it. You could make Special Alert Posts and place them as stickies in the general sub forum and other popular sub forums. If I owned ECF I know I would do that to maximize exposure.
I think ArtByLisabelle hit the support button by mistake and it's sad to see Eciggerssuck and BethMoore sound so hateful out of fear and lack of knowledge. (see the comments section) In fact I think I know who BethMoore and ElectricMan is from another forum.. Interesting.
It said I changed the pie chart, it's now at 94 % opposed but I am sure this is not the only source for commenting to Congress so who knows how this bill may really be doing.
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