New ECF approved Buzz Pro name POLL !

What Name do we use ???

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vikki59

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I like the blue one... Now my question... If I'm not on ECF, can I get a regular buzz pro??? I have registered at nu-vapor, and I see quite a few familiar names there. It is a smaller forum (for now). As ecf becomes more restrictive and just plain ol out of line w/their power, it seems more and more ecfers are moving on and over. I just think that you having to conform to "ecf" rules suck! I don't think it is right what they are doing. My gawd we are friggin adults here. We all chose to smoke full well knowing that smoking could very well kill us, so WTF???? The only thing I can do is buy another bp, which I plan on doing next week after my check comes in... But I'm out of here for now... Rant over... *poof*
 

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I like the blue one... Now my question... If I'm not on ECF, can I get a regular buzz pro??? I have registered at nu-vapor, and I see quite a few familiar names there. It is a smaller forum (for now). As ecf becomes more restrictive and just plain ol out of line w/their power, it seems more and more ecfers are moving on and over. I just think that you having to conform to "ecf" rules suck! I don't think it is right what they are doing. My gawd we are friggin adults here. We all chose to smoke full well knowing that smoking could very well kill us, so WTF???? The only thing I can do is buy another bp, which I plan on doing next week after my check comes in... But I'm out of here for now... Rant over... *poof*
Word. Me and a bunch of friends have started hanging out on another forum as well. The guy running it is a vendor here and a cool guy.
 

spaceballsrules

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I like the blue one... Now my question... If I'm not on ECF, can I get a regular buzz pro??? I have registered at nu-vapor, and I see quite a few familiar names there. It is a smaller forum (for now). As ecf becomes more restrictive and just plain ol out of line w/their power, it seems more and more ecfers are moving on and over. I just think that you having to conform to "ecf" rules suck! I don't think it is right what they are doing. My gawd we are friggin adults here. We all chose to smoke full well knowing that smoking could very well kill us, so WTF???? The only thing I can do is buy another bp, which I plan on doing next week after my check comes in... But I'm out of here for now... Rant over... *poof*

This post deserves an insta-ban. I'm telling on you! :p

Thanks to you, I am now a happy new member at NV. Thanks for the heads up!

Looks like "7" has jumped out to a big lead in the polls.
 
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sppowers

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No that is by design , other wise it would be 3 straight slots in it , we are working on other designs as well , Time to let the cat out of the bag I suppose.
I am waiting on approval from ECF on this design , we wanted something different looking for you all take a look .

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Puting saftey aside for just a moment, I think this looks extemely bad@$$. I posted the same thing on the facebook page, but I think having SS mesh over the vents would add to style(especially if in color) and would also serve as a filter for all the crap that could potentially filth up the inside of the PV. Liquid may still be an issue but hey, your buzz should not be taking a bath anyway!
 

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Apparently we were APPROVED then DIS APPROVED because they could not get their heads around the shape even though I calculated the area for them ???

ECF has no idea what it wants or what it is doing , sorry but it is true , I have bent over backwards to make this happen , they now say they have to SEE a unit to approve it WTH is wrong with you guys , we are ALL OVER ECF our specs are well known , they are on my FORUM on MY web SITE where the hell else should I put them ??

They are afraid other companies will try to scam them ( they are an organizing body after all ! NOT ) because of the DESIGN and it is NOT straight ??????????

Roly even said in his POST that the area is what matters and that is goes the length of the tube !!! I DID THAT ALREADY KIDS .

QUOTE "
1. Three or more milled slots in the metal tube body
For a standard mod taking 1 x 18650 cell or 2 x 16340 cells, the slots should be about 50mm x 4mm, or 2 inches x 5/32nds.
If full-length 2" slots cannot be used then four slots should be fitted. The key is the total cross-sectional area of the gas vents.
End Quote"


I am fed up with this ....
 

vikki59

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Word. Me and a bunch of friends have started hanging out on another forum as well. The guy running it is a vendor here and a cool guy.

What's the forum??? You can pm me ifn' ya don't wana take the chance of getting banned... Me I just don't care here anymore. Guess it shows huh, LOL. If I do get banned, welp ya got me on fb mod :)

This post deserves an insta-ban. I'm telling on you! :p

Thanks to you, I am now a happy new member at NV. Thanks for the heads up!

Looks like "7" has jumped out to a big lead in the polls.

Do you have the same name over there?? I do if anyone is interested :)
 
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spaceballsrules

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What's the forum??? You can pm me ifn' ya don't wana take the chance of getting banned... Me I just don't care here anymore. Guess it shows huh, LOL. If I do get banned, welp ya got me on fb mod :)



Do you have the same name over there?? I do if anyone is interested :)

You can include me on that PM as well. I would be very interested.

Yeah, same name and avatar. :)
 

spaceballsrules

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Apparently we were APPROVED then DIS APPROVED because they could not get their heads around the shape even though I calculated the area for them ???

ECF has no idea what it wants or what it is doing , sorry but it is true , I have bent over backwards to make this happen , they now say they have to SEE a unit to approve it WTH is wrong with you guys , we are ALL OVER ECF our specs are well known , they are on my FORUM on MY web SITE where the hell else should I put them ??

They are afraid other companies will try to scam them ( they are an organizing body after all ! NOT ) because of the DESIGN and it is NOT straight ??????????

Roly even said in his POST that the area is what matters and that is goes the length of the tube !!! I DID THAT ALREADY KIDS .

QUOTE "
1. Three or more milled slots in the metal tube body
For a standard mod taking 1 x 18650 cell or 2 x 16340 cells, the slots should be about 50mm x 4mm, or 2 inches x 5/32nds.
If full-length 2" slots cannot be used then four slots should be fitted. The key is the total cross-sectional area of the gas vents.
End Quote"


I am fed up with this ....

Mike, I am so sorry you are putting forth all this time and effort into pleasing the powers that be, and then being treated so poorly. It's unfair. It's wrong. It just plain SUCKS!

Hey, maybe if you made the body out of chicken wire, that would be enough venting?


Now let's see if this post gets deleted...../waiting.
 

BuzzKill

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Mike, I am so sorry you are putting forth all this time and effort into pleasing the powers that be, and then being treated so poorly. It's unfair. It's wrong. It just plain SUCKS!

Hey, maybe if you made the body out of chicken wire, that would be enough venting?


Now let's see if this post gets deleted...../waiting.

NOT getting deleted by ME that's for sure !
I want them to hear this stuff !

WHat has happened here is just straight up not giving a .... about your customer ME , they could care less IMO

Waiting for the warning or ban
 

markfm

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The cut sizes are easy enough to measure area, even rounding down on each of them it isn't a high tech thing to calculate.

Originally (not long ago, one of the earlier stickies on safety) there was an alternate blowout plug spec, which comes out to an area different from the slot spec. It was something like a plug size should be 5/8" or 16mm, which leads to a plug surface area of 200 square mm, while the new slot-only approach appears to require 600 square mm of venting (3 slots, each 200 square mm). I remember it because the reference to the plug was in the body of the sticky, in plain text, while the "Better have 3 slots" was in bold green text at the bottom. That's when I said the notcigs delrin bottom cap already exceeds that spec, larger total area and there's no way it could be magically sealed since batteries get changed via it.

If the plug spec would have provided enough area for venting, then each of 3 slots would only need to be about 70 square mm, 2mm x 35mm, nowhere near 4x50. If you wanted even a 50% increase compared to the plug, you're looking at 3 x 35 or 2x50mm slots, not 4 x 50?

The spec does say "about", which implies it isn't as if some ultra precise measurement to verify the slot size, so I'm surprised that a photo showing the unit, perhaps with a ruler next to it, doesn't suffice. If you have to send one in, does it have to go to ECF home in the UK, or are the US contingent going to be stuck verifying venting?
 
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markfm

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Rolygate, you forgot to vote -- #7 is leading in the poll :)

(Hope this works for the betterment of the industry -- I actually expect it will, but a painful evolution. Barring experimental data, the difference between a 16mm blowout plug of about 200 square mm cross section to 3 slots of "about" 600 square mm (3 at 50 x 4 mm) is pretty large. 200 might have been a minimum acceptable, but once you get to say 300 or so that's getting to be a healthy space. I'd like to know that the top cap/connector is solidly attached on anything I use, no way to become a bullet, and then make sure there is a reasonable vent, something that can handle an initial surge, time enough for hot-hand-syndrome to kick in.)
 

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Yes there is a big difference. But the blowout plug was iteration #1 and it didn't stand up to subsequent examination and test. Forgetting about the Buzz for a moment, and looking at any/all (other) mods:

- On some mods the plug might be fixed too hard, with stainless threads for example, and there may be a possibility the atomizer might blow off first.

- There is an issue with cells swelling up that was pointed out to me. When a cell fails it tends to swell, and this could block the tube. Two swollen cells is something that cannot be overlooked. It could lead to a situation where the pressure is much higher at the top of the tube. This may be what happened in one or two recent blowups.

- When a blowout plug has been employed, and has worked successfully, there was always damage to the user (2 reports). The reaction vector caused the mod to punch into the user's face with a fast, sharp shock, which caused damage. This included a cut tongue / face / broken teeth. If the mod was pointed at the eyes when this happened then an eye would certainly be lost.

- On CPF there are pictures of the damage done by an endcap blowing off a flashlight when a blowup occurred. It hit an oak door and caused visible damage. If a child had been in the way it's likely that injury would have occurred.

Admittedly a flashlight is not a PV and the issues are different, nevertheless a blowout plug is not the ideal solution to this issue. Slots fix every aspect of the problem because they provide a gas vent facility at all points in the tube (top, middle and bottom), and above all they cannot fail. They can't be short-cutted or corner-cut to save costs (as some vendors will always do) - you can look at them and see them, they can't have hidden shortcuts.

As I'm sure you understand, the implications of the current situation are massive for the electronic cigarette world, and something has to be done that is absolutely and without fail going to solve the problem - saving injury and stopping the media reports. Half-measures are no good because by the time the usual corners have been cut, the safety margin has been eroded yet again and it doesn't work.

Look, everybody hates ECF because of [insert here]. Three years later everybody is saying "The situation in [insert here] is far better now than it was, luckily", and they forgot it was ECF who 'forced' it on the community. We don't care as long as it gets fixed.
 
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