New FDA regulations and effect on DIY?

[dannyv45]

This has me a little worried since I exclusively vape HS tobacco flavors. A couple things come to mind. Did HS sell concentrated flavoring in the US prior to the grandfather date? I assume the answer is no but they are certainly a pioneer in this industry so maybe there is a hole there.

If HS tobacco flavors aren't grandfathered, would HS have the means (or desire) to go through the approval process for their concentrates? They are a huge player globally and I'm sure it will effect HS if they can't sell their stuff here anymore.

Lastly, does anybody really think there will be a shipping barrier or anything from China? Will stuff get seized? Sure. Will stuff get through? Lots of it. At least in my opinion. fasttech isn't going anywhere. They sell all over the world. They don't have the best track record for caring about anything other than selling stuff fast and cheap.

I'm ok with unflavored though. I vape it from time to time and like it quite a bit. I suppose I could do my own NET's but would much prefer to stick with what I already love and the ease of mixing it.

These are all thoughts that I also have and as you most of my hardware comes from fastTech and most of the flavoring I use other then my own extracts is HS. I wonder will the FDA flag these importers. Will FastTech do business under a different name if this happens. Will HS submit to FDA testing or market the products as food or fragrance ingredients. All valid questions. We have time before this is all phased in and I think through public pressure the FDA will need to lighten up on some aspects of this regulation after all the FDA has backed down or changed regulation guidelines in the past because of strong opposition. As I said this is all to new and only time will tell. I think the best recourse right now is to raise our voices and turn up the pressure on these federal and government regulatory agencies as well as our government officals.

 

[DaveP]

Regulation seems to be the end game of the FDA. If they allow cigarettes to be sold, it's illogical to squash vaping. TSNA's in vapor are so far into the low end of the scale compared to tobacco cigarettes that there's no contest at all. It's all about tax money. As cigarette smoking goes out of style and vaping takes over, the cash cow has to be moved into another barn.

TSNA chart about 1/3 the way down in this article. It compares TSNA's between tobacco, standard ecig liquid, and NET liquids. TSNA in ecigs is at the bottom of the Nitrosamine scale.

NET E-Liquids: Is the Flavor Worth the Added Risk?

 

[DC2]

I just wish the study had started 3 years ago, so the findings could've maybe had an impact on what's happening now. Maybe the FDA could've been convinced by scientifc study results...that vaping truly IS a viable smoking cessation aid, and 1 that so far seems to have a much better success rate than all the other aids combined!

Trust me, they already know this.
In fact, EVERYONE but the public and maybe the media knows this.

That's actually why these regulations are written the way they are.
With the full intention of crushing all that is good about vaping.

 

[b.m.]

Will FastTech do business under a different name if this happens.

There will be a big advantage for Fasttech and Heavensgifts,they sell thousands of items not vaping related,so even if customs would really start to watch where items are coming from,a fasttech or Heavensgifts package could be anything,and i doubt they have the manpower to check every fasttech package that comes through.The hard ones to get by them would be places like Focalecig and 3fvape,since that's all they sell.

 

[Andromendous]

So, i already have 3 120ml bottles of regular nude nic in the freezer. I know they have that "extreme" nude or whatever that lasts even longer. But how are you guys able to make vg/pg last more than 2 years?

 

[Train2]

I don't think DIY folks will have a hard time getting flavors. The FDA is going to pursue the easy targets, like vape shops and large juice manufacturers in the U.S. They'll shut the doors on shops and get some money from the juice vendors.

They will kill mod innovation in the US, and new vapers won't get their first setup at the gas station anymore. But, even if they try, they will fail and give up, trying to stop online hardware sales.

SO - until vape prohibition ends...and it won't really start for quite a while yet -
We'll have to get mods online, and likely mostly from China.
We can continue to buy VG and PG - gotta make soap, right?
We can continue to buy flavorings - gotta make cupcakes, right?
We can continue to buy batteries - gotta run my flashlights.
What's missing? Oh yeah - Nicotine.

The end game will see nicotine and e-juice distribution choked off to limited, registered vendors, so they can easily tax the crap out of it. Which is what this is all about - recreating the cigarette revenue. Both for Tobacco companies (who will be the only "starter kit" you'll see advertised) and for government.

I figure I've got time yet, but before the tax kicks in, I figure I can pop a lifetime supply of nic in the freezer...
It's just a shame that they're killing a thriving industry that's saving lives. Well, maybe not killing it, but hiding it, moving bits of it underground, and giving a bunch of it to China.

 

[Maestro]

So, i already have 3 120ml bottles of regular nude nic in the freezer. I know they have that "extreme" nude or whatever that lasts even longer. But how are you guys able to make vg/pg last more than 2 years?

PG and VG have other uses. As long as you're not selling it for vaping purposes, I don't think there's much the FDA can do. They were widely available even before vaping.

 

[redrebel821]

So, i already have 3 120ml bottles of regular nude nic in the freezer. I know they have that "extreme" nude or whatever that lasts even longer. But how are you guys able to make vg/pg last more than 2 years?

I just ordered another liter of 100mg nic to keep in my freezer, and VG from ED will be simple...if anyone ever were to question me, I'd just say I make my own soap...lol...or buy it 8oz at a time from CVS.

 

[ShowerHead]

Lastly, does anybody really think there will be a shipping barrier or anything from China? Will stuff get seized? Sure. Will stuff get through? Lots of it. At least in my opinion. FastTech isn't going anywhere. They sell all over the world.

Well, many years ago, I used to 'have friends' who sent their satellite cards to Canada or Mexico to be programmed for a few dollars. Many different sites, addresses, etc. You paid via money order. Card mailed out, a week or so later, card came back and you watched TV.

Needless to say, as soon as this got to be annoying to satellite TV provider, suddenly, people were getting notices from Customs and occasionally Postal Inspectors. The card had been seized and the money order too. Many things were tried, mailing to different addresses, pick up from a US P.O. Box near the border, having the customer buy a programming device then download the patched software for the cards. All failed in short order.

Anyone who has lived in Korea can tell you how packages with athletic shoes would be seized and a notice sent to the addressee that they could pay a small ($10K) bond and get their package until a hearing was held. Nobody I sent shoes to ever paid the bond surprisingly enough.

In short, unless you have relatives in China who will get the items for you and mail them themselves, you aren't going to have reliable supplies via mail order.

 

[Rossum]

But how are you guys able to make vg/pg last more than 2 years?

What makes you think PG and VG only last two years? Both are very stable compounds. Just because they come labeled with an expiration date doesn't mean they actually go bad.

 

[b.m.]

What makes you think PG and VG only last two years? Both are very stable compounds. Just because they come labeled with an expiration date doesn't mean they actually go bad.

Good point,the date on the bottle is simply a retest date,if the manufacturer retests it and it passes,they add another 2 years to it,so it could very well be good for several more years than most people think.

 

[cousinles]

What if someone made variable voltage flashlight that took bulbs with 510 threads and ran off of rechargeable 18650 batteries. That would ba a work around for the mods as far as the tank I dont know.

 

[cousinles]

I see the fda is calling ecigs ENDS Electronic nicotine delivery system. If they are sold with a label that says "not for use with nicotine" then how can the fda regulate it?

 

[dannyv45]

I see the fda is calling ecigs ENDS Electronic nicotine delivery system. If they are sold with a label that says "not for use with nicotine" then how can the fda regulate it?

That's a reasonable and viable solution. Market it as a non-Nicotine vaping device such as a vitamin supplement or portable asthma vaporizer. I think simple relabling is a quick and easy solution. I think a lot of easy inexpensive work arounds are in order.

 

[salemgold]

I see the fda is calling ecigs ENDS Electronic nicotine delivery system. If they are sold with a label that says "not for use with nicotine" then how can the fda regulate it?

Probably couldn't. I saw somewhere that they will have no authority over the vaporizers that are used to smoke other substances that are legal in some states.

 

[cousinles]

Personal humidifier for use with water only

 

[supertrunker]

Only the nicotine liquid will be an issue, nothing else. The FDA does not have unlimited resources to pursue anyone selling batteries to be used in vaping, or deciding how i intend to use flavourings.

All it does is start an arms race where i'll see how much i can get through customs and they'll see how much they can stop. There are precedents for this and governments are too slow to react.

Buy nicotine.

T

 

[cousinles]

I just ordered a ten year supply of 100mg and I plan on cutting my nic level in half so it may last me like 20 years. Now I just hope I can find a way to store it that long.

 

[Capt.shay]

I will be stalking up as well. We have a couple of years or at least a year before the stuff hits the fan but I will be doing it soon.

 

[Rossum]

Only the nicotine liquid will be an issue, nothing else. The FDA does not have unlimited resources to pursue anyone selling batteries to be used in vaping, or deciding how i intend to use flavourings.
[...]
Buy nicotine.

Agreed. Nic is the item that's most likely to become difficult to obtain for DIY mixing.