They could require a chemist's license to purchase, though through the six degrees of separation I'm betting everyone knows someone who knows someone. For example, I know two. lol
New FDA regulations and effect on DIY?
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They could require a chemist's license to purchase, though through the six degrees of separation I'm betting everyone knows someone who knows someone. For example, I know two. lol
Currently, there's atleast one very big well-known vendor selling 100mg nic internationally without any mention of nic, only VG or PG labeled on bottle and no papers/invoice(to fool customs), because many EU countries has laws making it illegal to import nic from non-EU countries... I'm hoping such measures/vendors will be available too after the grace-period is over 
(e.g. having 20mg 10ml bottles on site, but taking email-orders of 1L 100mg and sending it labeled as just PG or VG without invoice/papers...
(e.g. having 20mg 10ml bottles on site, but taking email-orders of 1L 100mg and sending it labeled as just PG or VG without invoice/papers...
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Only those who have registered as tobacco products manufacturers under section 905 of the FD&C act, of course!
The FDA is aware of 4250 such establishments, but there's a catch: "FDA expects that most vape shops will stop mixing e-liquids (and preparing other new tobacco products) to avoid being "manufacturers" under the Tobacco Control Act."
Tell us something we don't know already.
My understanding is, starting in 90 days, no new products can be introduced including new liquids. But does this apply to new liquids with 0 mg nic? Suppose a shop opens called Zero Nic Vapes. They sell only 0mg nic e liquids and hardware for vaping that liquid. How do the new product restrictions apply to that business?Only those who have registered as tobacco products manufacturers under section 905 of the FD&C act, of course!
The FDA is aware of 4250 such establishments, but there's a catch: "FDA expects that most vape shops will stop mixing e-liquids (and preparing other new tobacco products) to avoid being "manufacturers" under the Tobacco Control Act."
Tell us something we don't know already.
Are we backing into criminalizing nicotine? If you buy unapproved hardware for vaping 0 mg liquid you are okay but if you use it to vape nic you are a criminal? Instead of calling that new documentary A Billion Lives may be they will need to call it A Billion Criminals.
The FDA said they are going ro regulate ENDS "Electronic nicotine delivery system" if there is is no nicotine and they are being sold and used with no nicotine. How can they fall under ENDS?
^^-- as it might be mixed with nicotine.
Almost everything is subject to restriction, but there is no way to know how far they'll go. Of course anything specific enough to vaping or nicotine will have to be approved.
On the other thread, there is the idea that unflavored nic juice might be easiest to approve. This will not be the deal we have now, but if that can come out within 3 years of the crackdown, those with a decent stock could make it through. For example, 24 mg at $3 a ml would add ~0.20 per ml to my 1.5 mg juice.
As for DIY itself, it could and probably will get a lot bigger, maybe moms will teach it to their sons and daughters like cooking. In a different sense, it's like mixing a cocktail, get your gummint-controlled alcohol or nicotine and mix what you want with it.
Almost everything is subject to restriction, but there is no way to know how far they'll go. Of course anything specific enough to vaping or nicotine will have to be approved.
On the other thread, there is the idea that unflavored nic juice might be easiest to approve. This will not be the deal we have now, but if that can come out within 3 years of the crackdown, those with a decent stock could make it through. For example, 24 mg at $3 a ml would add ~0.20 per ml to my 1.5 mg juice.
As for DIY itself, it could and probably will get a lot bigger, maybe moms will teach it to their sons and daughters like cooking. In a different sense, it's like mixing a cocktail, get your gummint-controlled alcohol or nicotine and mix what you want with it.
If unflavored juice can be sold by shops I wonder if a little vial of flavoring can be sold seperate. What you do with the food grade flavoring is up to you.
If the flavoring comes from a vape shop that sells what the FDA is defining as 'tobacco products' it will be defined as a tobacco product because it can be assumed to be for the end use of vaping, I think. I'm pretty sure the flavoring would have to come from some place not associated with vaping.
So due to upcoming changes I find myself reading these threads for the first time! I am understanding so far that nic can be bought and put it the freezer and will be good for many many years but I am confused on unflavored base that already has the nic and vg and pg already mixed in. Will the already blended unflavored liquid also be OK in the freezer for 20 years?
You could be right. Where I live though smoke shops sell bongs and scales. Of course the bongs are for tobacco use only and the scales are for weighing precious gems. We all now what they are really being used for though.
You cant buy pure nicotine only concentrate ejuice. The nicotine will be deluted in pg of vg whatever you decide to order. The concentration can be 100mg per liter at most and you store that in the freezer and you ferther dilute that mixture to whatever your vaping needs are
I don't know. I think that would certainly make an interesting test case for the court system, as would the unrepentant introduction of a new device.
Another thing that would be interesting to test in court is: How can does the FDA regard mods & atties as "tobacco products" but as far as I can tell, they are ignoring pipes that are typically used for smoking pipe tobacco? Conceptually, the are pretty much identical.
No, of course not, provided your nicotine or other "tobacco product" has been blessed by the FDA.
I'm not aware of any law that prevents one from buying pure nic. It's just that pure nic really is very dangerous to work with, and no responsible vendor in the US will sell it, presumably due to liability concerns.
So my choices are mixed with pg or vg? Not a mix of both? I usually use a 70/30 or 50/50 juice!
If I can just choose one, which will store best? Sorry for so many questions!
Some vendors will make nic base for you at whatever PG/VG ratio you want.
For long-term storage, straight VG is probably best because it has higher viscosity, which decreases the motility of the nic and its enemy, oxygen.
My understanding is, for any item ecig related that a dealer wants to continue selling, application must be made(FOR EACH ITEM) within the next 90 days. If the application is in, vendors will be allowed to continue selling the product until a decision by the FDA is made one way or the other. If no decision is made by them, the item must then be withdrawn from sale at the 2 year mark. Correct me if I'm wrong.
No, I think items currently being offered are grandfathered for two years in order to give manufacturers time to prepare applications.
I think I found what I need at Nude Nic! They can mix it 50/50! So next question, how long can I store it in the freezer? Also I was going to get the 12 mg. Should I get the 100 nic instead?
Sorry for all the questions! Those of you who have been diy for a long time, thank you for helping all us noobie folks! Don't mean to seem so helpless but it's time to educate ourselves!
Sorry for all the questions! Those of you who have been diy for a long time, thank you for helping all us noobie folks! Don't mean to seem so helpless but it's time to educate ourselves!
I get 100mg 'cause 12mg would take up 8x as much space in the freezer.
I'll be back from my real computer instead of this infernal tablet shortly.
It rwally deponds on your preferences a higher concentration will go farther. You can always buy the pg/vg later to dilute it with.
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