New Genesis type atomizer by DID!
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The 500 alone is worth trying! And while you're spot on about the 2 or 3 exhales per inhale with the 28g/500 mesh, I tried a 4/3 wrap of 32g with the 500 mesh in my Mini DID on the Provari (I had to test it on the ProV b/c of all the complaints, and it vaped just fine and without a single error messages btw) and the flavor was UNBELIEVABLE!
Also, I had an idea that I wanted to run by everyone before I pursued trying to have it put into production...
What do you guys think about a clear top cap? My idea is to have Kir fanis make a plastic tank that's threaded on the bottom and open at the top, and then a metal part shaped like the slanted part of the existing DID topcap that fits into the open end of the tank (without the threads). If you have a clear iAtty tank or one of Kir Fanis' carto tanks, you'll understand what I'm getting at about the metal part that fits into the open end of the plastic tank.
What do you guys think about a clear top cap? My idea is to have Kir fanis make a plastic tank that's threaded on the bottom and open at the top, and then a metal part shaped like the slanted part of the existing DID topcap that fits into the open end of the tank (without the threads). If you have a clear iAtty tank or one of Kir Fanis' carto tanks, you'll understand what I'm getting at about the metal part that fits into the open end of the plastic tank.
In general, I'm with you 100%! Obviously, I think SS should remain the stock option, but I think it'd just be a cool option to have if you wanted to switch it up a bit. It'd also be neat to see the vapor swirl around and to see your coil heat upYou know me I need all Steel.
Tony
I like the idea of being able to see how my vapor acts in the top cap. I would certainly get at least 1.
Miriam (with the Hat)
Very nice, that's my all time favorite aircraft. You have a very cool job sir!
In general, I'm with you 100%! Obviously, I think SS should remain the stock option, but I think it'd just be a cool option to have if you wanted to switch it up a bit. It'd also be neat to see the vapor swirl around and to see your coil heat up
That would be pretty cool.
Knowing me, I'd spend every waking moment vaping either cross-eyed or in front of a mirror if I had that.
Edit: Gah! Brigit beat me to it.
Just to let the people know, that I drilled a .042 through the fill cap. The reason was for spillage and over wicking. This is perfect for me.
All the ones mentioned so far are great mods! I'd like to include the Roller by Atmizoo onto your list.
Naturally, they all have a waiting list of either shipping or purchasing or both. Except the telescope shown above.
Too true! But there are times it will be handy to see the juice bubbles... errr, I mean the juice levels.
I'll give it a shot when it comes in then. I just worried it might flood too easy with the 32, but I can always twist the wick further east.
Sounds fun, one for me too!
LOL!! Me too.
Way to go!
I've never had to remove my fill screw for good wicking (knock on wood), but what a great idea to include in the database for any future trials.
THE SAGA CONTINUES
Well, I went back at it last Friday, ya-all convinced me last week not to give up and to keep at it.
So, using the same wick (knowing that I burned it enough times, that it was oxidized enough that I shouldn't have any shorts through it). And having that long roll of resistance wire that Jim sent with it, I would keep wrapping coils around that wick till it worked right.
I pulled the wick out and burned the juice off of it, emptied the tank and I started wrapping. With three separate lengths of wire, and three different attempts, varying wrapping styles (snug to the wick, loose, and in-between). One of those attempts, after watching the European guy with the new teeth's video, I didn't heat up the wire because he DIDn't.
I kept having the same problem, the top coil always either had a short or a hot spot. I tried tightening it from the bottom nut, the top nut, trying to loosen it with a toothpick... etc. etc.
My AH-HA moment about this, came when I was starting the fourth coil, and I couldn't find the top nut (I misplaced it). To remind you, the DID I got from Jim came with (I guess thats how he is sending them out now) the stainless steel posts and nuts, with the long - high profile ss ground/fill screws. At this point I almost gave up again, and I hated those tiny little nuts. They were so hard to work with. So, not finding the lost nut, and having ordered an extra set of nuts in my original order (these ones are brass), I tried again - this time with the two brass nuts.
The brass ones are a slightly bigger, and so easy to tighten. I adjusted the coils a little with a toothpick and checked the coil by lighting them up, and they looked pretty good.
I thought, "Naw, this is a fluke". I loosened the nuts and re-tightened about three times and it still worked. Then I took that coil off, and DID another coil, just to make sure, and still DIDn't have the problem that was plaguing me with the SS Nutz.
Well, with that "nagging", "temper flaring", "blood pressure raising", "gnawing", "pain in the rear" episode over. I filled the DID up with Tasty Finger (Butter Finger) and started vaping.
YOU KNOW, I vaped with it all weekend, And it is alright. It has no problem wicking, like it DID last time I had it working. The taste and vapor remind me of the CE2's. It's close to my favorites (SmokTech DC's and Boge's). I started thinking that maybe most of the people before they got the DID used stuff like Vision's and other clearomizers. You know my brother swears by the new Vision Replaceable atty, so I said let me try yours, and you know, its not that great. So I figured that maybe that's where most get their AH-Ha moment when using the DID, because this set-up does taste and vape better than my brothers Vision. But if it doesn't taste any better, and have a little more vapor than Boge's and STDC's, I can't see carrying around my "5 POUND"(lol) ProVeri / DID combo, when I could still do carto's.
Then I saw this post:
I saw a post yesterday of a guy that struggled with the DID, like me, and he said that he reached "That AH-HA" moment with the GREAT FLAVOR and SUPER VAPOR. So, I figure I haven't got there quite yet, and that I need to try a little longer.
Well, I went back at it last Friday, ya-all convinced me last week not to give up and to keep at it.
So, using the same wick (knowing that I burned it enough times, that it was oxidized enough that I shouldn't have any shorts through it). And having that long roll of resistance wire that Jim sent with it, I would keep wrapping coils around that wick till it worked right.
I pulled the wick out and burned the juice off of it, emptied the tank and I started wrapping. With three separate lengths of wire, and three different attempts, varying wrapping styles (snug to the wick, loose, and in-between). One of those attempts, after watching the European guy with the new teeth's video, I didn't heat up the wire because he DIDn't.
I kept having the same problem, the top coil always either had a short or a hot spot. I tried tightening it from the bottom nut, the top nut, trying to loosen it with a toothpick... etc. etc.
My AH-HA moment about this, came when I was starting the fourth coil, and I couldn't find the top nut (I misplaced it). To remind you, the DID I got from Jim came with (I guess thats how he is sending them out now) the stainless steel posts and nuts, with the long - high profile ss ground/fill screws. At this point I almost gave up again, and I hated those tiny little nuts. They were so hard to work with. So, not finding the lost nut, and having ordered an extra set of nuts in my original order (these ones are brass), I tried again - this time with the two brass nuts.
The brass ones are a slightly bigger, and so easy to tighten. I adjusted the coils a little with a toothpick and checked the coil by lighting them up, and they looked pretty good.
I thought, "Naw, this is a fluke". I loosened the nuts and re-tightened about three times and it still worked. Then I took that coil off, and DID another coil, just to make sure, and still DIDn't have the problem that was plaguing me with the SS Nutz.
Well, with that "nagging", "temper flaring", "blood pressure raising", "gnawing", "pain in the rear" episode over. I filled the DID up with Tasty Finger (Butter Finger) and started vaping.
YOU KNOW, I vaped with it all weekend, And it is alright. It has no problem wicking, like it DID last time I had it working. The taste and vapor remind me of the CE2's. It's close to my favorites (SmokTech DC's and Boge's). I started thinking that maybe most of the people before they got the DID used stuff like Vision's and other clearomizers. You know my brother swears by the new Vision Replaceable atty, so I said let me try yours, and you know, its not that great. So I figured that maybe that's where most get their AH-Ha moment when using the DID, because this set-up does taste and vape better than my brothers Vision. But if it doesn't taste any better, and have a little more vapor than Boge's and STDC's, I can't see carrying around my "5 POUND"(lol) ProVeri / DID combo, when I could still do carto's.
Then I saw this post:
I saw a post yesterday of a guy that struggled with the DID, like me, and he said that he reached "That AH-HA" moment with the GREAT FLAVOR and SUPER VAPOR. So, I figure I haven't got there quite yet, and that I need to try a little longer.
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This is the post I was talking about. (More after)
You know that the Creator of everything placed laws that govern the universe. There is no random chance when it comes to science. If an experiment works for one, it must work for all, or it is not science!
So now that I have found the problem with my shorting / hot spot problem. I am looking for a fellow vapor scientist, who is proficient in DID-o-ronomy to make my Lab Time and experiment time less cumbersome.
Maybe my last setup doesn't perform to its peak potential because I used the same wick that I DID extra burns on to try to fix the shorting problem that was really caused by the hardware.
I heard and tried a fat wick that just fits in the hole is best, and it seems to me that the coil needs to be always in contact with the wick, but not tight. Am I right?
Is a thin walled wick better than a thick walled wick?
Just give me a run-down on what made your first AH-HA moment? If you have been following my journey, and to help it come to an end.
My current setup on my DID standard is really blowing me away.
I've been following this thread for a couple of months since I first started obsessing about owning a quality genesis, I would hear tales of "intense flavor", "got to cut down on the nicotine in my mixes the DID is making me nauseous, but in a good way LOL", "This DID producing overwhelming plumes of vapor" etc. etc. These are not exact quotes, but you get the picture.
Then my first DID std arrived, and the fun and games began. I have worked as a mechanic, television engineer and am always "fixing things", I thought "this will be a snap"!
Um... well no. don't get me wrong I could get a working setup going with no obvious shorts/hotspots etc, but I spent many hours and sleepless nights fiddling, recoiling making new wicks etc, in search of the fore mentioned genesis nirvana.
I researched on youtube, read every post that I could on ECF, aussievapers, vaporwall and anywhere else they were talking about ss wicks and genesis coils. again, I state I was enjoying my DID experience and had a good vape going, but I am a perfectionist to a fault and this fiddling had become an obsession the likes of which I haven't known for a long while.
Over the last month my oxidation process and coiling methods have developed through countless helpful posts of advice mainly from here, but also from the #500 mesh thread, a well visited DIDers hangout.
every setup has been that little bit better, more thought out and easier, but today the Ah ha moment well and truly occurred.
I now have "intense flavor",and I think I've "got to cut down on the nicotine in my mixes the DID is making me nauseous, but in a good way LOL" and "This DID producing overwhelming plumes of vapor".
Was it worth all the hours, lost sleep, meters of kanthal, litres of Vg use in testing new coils etc .etc./
Hell YES,
Would I do it all over again knowing what I know now?
Definitely
What was my end result after all my effort?
Truly the best flavor & vaping experience ever.
Big thanks to ALL those who listened to my struggles and tirelessly posted new and innovative methods and troubleshooting advice.
I now have 2 DID stds, and another on the way, and a DID mini, these will last me forever, and cost me less
money than I spent on smokes per month.
Thanks also to Jim for amongst other things the best customer service I've seen from any manufacturer or vendor.
You know that the Creator of everything placed laws that govern the universe. There is no random chance when it comes to science. If an experiment works for one, it must work for all, or it is not science!
So now that I have found the problem with my shorting / hot spot problem. I am looking for a fellow vapor scientist, who is proficient in DID-o-ronomy to make my Lab Time and experiment time less cumbersome.
Maybe my last setup doesn't perform to its peak potential because I used the same wick that I DID extra burns on to try to fix the shorting problem that was really caused by the hardware.
I heard and tried a fat wick that just fits in the hole is best, and it seems to me that the coil needs to be always in contact with the wick, but not tight. Am I right?
Is a thin walled wick better than a thick walled wick?
Just give me a run-down on what made your first AH-HA moment? If you have been following my journey, and to help it come to an end.
How much juice have you vaped since you got the coil your running now firing properly?
The DO take some time to break in sometimes.
Also, try firing it with the top cap off at the same angle you'd normally vape at. You should see a nice stream of vapor.
If you see juice bubbling, it's flooding a bit. If you see any coils start to glow, it's a bit dry.
Overall though, it sounds like it just may need a little more break-in.
The DO take some time to break in sometimes.
Also, try firing it with the top cap off at the same angle you'd normally vape at. You should see a nice stream of vapor.
If you see juice bubbling, it's flooding a bit. If you see any coils start to glow, it's a bit dry.
Overall though, it sounds like it just may need a little more break-in.
i have recently been using a fat wick 110mm of 500mesh and 28 awg kanthal A1 4/3 wrap comes out 0.8 - 1.0 ohm , the vapor and flavor is so intense my lungs are full on a 2 second draw
No comparison to a boge carto and I really mean NO comparison. Give the 28 awg a try , its very forgiving and rarley get a hot spot using it. Good luck.
I think I have played with every conceivable mesh types and rolling methods.
By far the best wicking comes from the thick wick with no center hole. 400 or 500 mesh works well.
Over oxidizing the mesh causes more problems with short and general wick falling apart after a short time. Below 325 as in 270 or even 200 mesh works great with thin wall but is very hard to oxidize.kanthal wire in bigger gauge is easier to work with. 30 awg is my favorite wire, wraps easily and is very tolerant of manipulation each wrap is about .20 ohm, 28 awg is also good but needs quite a lot of wraps or it will be super low ohms. I almost feel like the 28 awg is a coil for life, it is super tough.I wrap my coils on the wick and then torch the coil. This hardens the coil and makes it behave when I put in the DID.
The fun of the genesis systems is the fun with experimenting.
By far the best wicking comes from the thick wick with no center hole. 400 or 500 mesh works well.
Over oxidizing the mesh causes more problems with short and general wick falling apart after a short time. Below 325 as in 270 or even 200 mesh works great with thin wall but is very hard to oxidize.kanthal wire in bigger gauge is easier to work with. 30 awg is my favorite wire, wraps easily and is very tolerant of manipulation each wrap is about .20 ohm, 28 awg is also good but needs quite a lot of wraps or it will be super low ohms. I almost feel like the 28 awg is a coil for life, it is super tough.I wrap my coils on the wick and then torch the coil. This hardens the coil and makes it behave when I put in the DID.
The fun of the genesis systems is the fun with experimenting.
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