New Genesis type atomizer by DID!

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Are you doing this to influence flavor or to make more vapor?Does leaving the "fill screw" out accomplish any of that as well?You will have to excuse my ignorance as far as a genesis styled atty as the DID will be my first but,I do understand the logic with increasing the airflow to change many different things.I also understand that the cap only has so much space for volume of vapor.


I never ever use fill screw caps, that to me ruins the flavor and vapor. Far as drilling out the airhole, some juices taste better with more air, some not. I have a couple that are just too sweet and using a 1.6mm airhole tempers them down to perfect. And yes, the vapor does increase some with a bigger airhole.

If you drill it bigger that 1.6 - say 2.0 then you would need to lung inhale to get any benefit IMO. Someday I will get another cap and try that too - just to see. As it is I am very happy with the two diff. size airholes.

If I only had one DID and was unsure I would not drill it.


For those who want a bit more airy draw - get a straight line large bore drip tip - that increases it some also. For example - SuperT's SS traditional DT. - the new Velocity T-Tip I got I feel is even better. OR a large glass tip - that even enhances the flavor even more
 
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Well,I guess I'll just have to wait and try it "stock" because myself the only thing that got me away from smoking was having big clouds of vapor.I have seen plenty of videos featuring the DID(all "stock" pretty sure)and they look to be putting out plenty of vapor.I know a lot of it is just how you vape and what your setup is.Right now mine is with a DCtank and a 2ohm dual coil with my Buzz turned to the max.I like the heat as well(chokes the wife to death and she hates it lol)with it running in the neighborhood of 5v+- on that setup with reduced PG Ectoplasma.I like the 10-12 watts range on just about all of my setups atties/cartos you name it.

I probably will end up ordering a couple more top caps though because I have always like to fiddle/tinker after I have found "my perfect vape" in search for better.:D
 
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I never ever use fill screw caps, that to me ruins the flavor and vapor. Far as drilling out the airhole, some juices taste better with more air, some not. I have a couple that are just too sweet and using a 1.6mm airhole tempers them down to perfect. And yes, the vapor does increase some with a bigger airhole.

Unfortunately, I agree. I compared with and without the fill screw several times, and I'm pretty sure the flavor is better without it. Bummer, but I guess I can use it for transport and then remove it for vaping.

I won't comment more on the flavor until it's fully broken in, but it's improving a lot already.
 

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Well,I guess I'll just have to wait and try it "stock" because myself the only thing that got me away from smoking was having big clouds of vapor.

Larger airhole should produce more vapor, imo. Zenesis has a larger airhole and the freaking clouds are room filling. Simply shocking amount of vapor! Of course, there are other things to consider, like the taller chamber and the "mushroom" center post that partially obstructs the draw hole...
 

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Larger airhole should produce more vapor, imo. Zenesis has a larger airhole and the freaking clouds are room filling. Simply shocking amount of vapor! Of course, there are other things to consider, like the taller chamber and the "mushroom" center post that partially obstructs the draw hole...

I did notice the way that "mushroom capped" screw almost obstructs the path to the mouthpiece on one of those after watching some videos showing the finer details of them.I do like most of the reasons certain things were done and that they were thought out.I also like the fact that most every review I see of the DID talks of the improved flavor compared to anything else.I've got a bunch of tips but,only one stainless "ming styled" tip and it looks to be much bigger on the inside diameter compared to my others.Guess it's gonna be a trial and error on drip tips as well.
 

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Well, actually, if you look down the airhole of the DID the same thing happens. There is no direct path to the chamber. That's a good thing. It forces the air to go into a vortex-like path round and round, "hitting" the coil multiple time and thus producing more vapor and getting more saturated. It also means that you have to draw slowly to maximize the benefit. Zen~ explained it in his PBusardo interview, and I am fairly sure that this mechanism works almost the same way in the DID, intentional or not because the top nut obstructs the airflow.
 

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I have been resisting temptation to increase the size of the hole. Now I am tempted. Worst case, I will need a new top cap. Should I get the drill bits online or the store?

At the hardware store probably. 1/16" is a standard size, shouldn't be hard to find a TI bit
 

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Oh, yeah...

After about two tankfuls (thankfully, I had work to do so I just vaped without paying to much attention to flavor), it broke in really good. Flavor comes through, loud and clear, true and wild. It is on par with Zenesis, but ever so slightly and indescribably different; neither better nor worse, just different. I cannot say which one I prefer, I guess I don't have to prefer one, now, do I?

So... it's alive!

So far I am very happy with my DID. I haven't even gone through a full ml of juice, so I'll post more on performance later.

But it sure looks fine:

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Build quality: all parts are flawless, match perfectly and the threads are smooth and noiseless. When it's fully assembled it feels compact and sturdy, unlike my other genny device. The 510 connector is good and secure, it sits almost flush on my ProVari and Legacy (without adjustments).

Ease of assembly (body): no skills job - everything only fits one way, it's basically just scewing stuff together. The smallest parts are the center post washers, but it's not that bad. I guess people with some level of dexterity impairment will have a hard time putting those on. Nothing else to say.

Ease of assembly (coil): oh, well... I'd give it a 3+/5 compared to my only other genny - a Zenesis standard. And that considering that Zenesis requires two different keys for the process. The brass nuts are a mess - you have to fiddle with the bottom one, then if you are not careful you end up moving both as you tighten the top one, then if they come together you can just unscrew the top one alone... It's a pain. But it does the job. You can't do an easy secure (i.e half loop the wire then secure it like that, such as you can do with the negative connector). You have to first fully wrap the wire around the pin then secure it somehow.

I really like the thicker, sturdier wick though. My wick is a bit shorter than in the video, but there is no real problem gauging the length of the coil so everything goes together. I make my coils outside the device. I think my wick touches the bottom of the tank, and it is indeed a bit annoying that I can't see it.

Once it's done, it feels secure and it doesn't seem like it's going to go anywhere, and screwing instead of snapping on the top cap also contributes tot he sturdy feeling - you don't worry you'll destroy your coil as you put the top cap on.

Performance (initial) - I made a 4 wrap coil, and got 2.1 Ohm, stable from the get-go (Jack Frost + rolling paper). It produces a very satisfactory amount of vapor starting at 5.8 Watt, then my sweet spot seems to be at 8 Watt (4.1 V on the ProVari). It's warm and thick and saturated. The wicking is extremely good, better than the Zenesis - no dry hits even without tipping it down. The vapor, so far, not fully broken in, seems very promising.

Flavor isn't fully developed yet. I'm vaping a simple Peach menthol. The menthol obviously comes through strongly, the peach is muted and there is still some add-on taste that I'm not sure where it comes from - I hope it goes away with break-in. It actually goes away at lower power so I'll keep it at that for now to break in.

It doesn't leak.

I strongly feel it would perform better with a larger airhole. I have no clue how to go about making the hole larger, but I'd actually hope Jim will consider an "open draw" cap or someone here maybe help me figure out how to drill it larger...

So that's my take so far. I am really enjoying it, and I hope it'll get much better after a couple of tankfuls.
 

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Oh, yeah...

After about two tankfuls (thankfully, I had work to do so I just vaped without paying to much attention to flavor), it broke in really good. Flavor comes through, loud and clear, true and wild. It is on par with Zenesis, but ever so slightly and indescribably different; neither better nor worse, just different. I cannot say which one I prefer, I guess I don't have to prefer one, now, do I?

That's a nice testimonial. The comparison of the DID as being on par with such a well regarded device as the Zenesis is something you should be very proud of Jim.

The fact you can get a DID for less, not have to wait an eternity for one on a list, and are not required to genuflect in the process, makes this about the best deal going right now for a quality Genesis RBA. Preservation of self-respect at no additional charge. ;)
 

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That's a nice testimonial. The comparison of the DID as being on par with such a well regarded device as the Zenesis is something you should be very proud of Jim.

The fact you can get a DID for less, not have to wait an eternity for one on a list, and are not required to genuflect in the process, makes this about the best deal going right now for a quality Genesis RBA. Preservation of self-respect at no additional charge. ;)

Argg, too many nice testimonials making it difficult for me to hold on to my limited cash. Could someone start criticizing it instead, please? Otherwise I would have to let go and buy the DID. :(
 

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Argg, too many nice testimonials making it difficult for me to hold on to my limited cash. Could someone start criticizing it instead, please? Otherwise I would have to let go and buy the DID. :(

Ok I got one and it's a very big criticism in my books (look away now...you've been warned).

The DID won't allow me to enjoy the many other devices I've spent tons of money on.

There, I said it. It's awful, I know.
 

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Argg, too many nice testimonials making it difficult for me to hold on to my limited cash. Could someone start criticizing it instead, please? Otherwise I would have to let go and buy the DID. :(

You know you can't resist the "Draw of the DiD". It's siren call is already pulling at your heart strings (or at least your purse strings) from across the ocean depths. Submit, or live with doubt and despair... :facepalm:;-)
 
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