I think you also need the shorter positive post and the inner tube!
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Hi turnforward, keep at it,
You should not be able to see ANY AIR. These parts of the coil will heat up more than the rest and burn the juice that hits them, THIS WILL MUTE YOUR FLAVOR. You need them "snug" on the wick, snug as in cuddling, not throttling, but there is contact
37.5mmx110mm rolled tight works best for me. 37.5mm because cutting after the rolling and torching exposes oxidized mesh and can misshape your beautifully rolled wick. I make my coil (28awg nichrome) on a ss rod from an old DVD player, I believe its about 2.9mm diameter, I do 8-9 wraps (1.2-1.5Ohms) then torch the coil to orange while on the rod holding the tails of the coil, and keeping it in place with needle nose pliers, then I quench in boiled water , i repeat this 3 times.
I then slide the rod with the coil into the 3.5mm wick hole and attach top then bottom tails, pull the bottom tail tight to pull all wraps tight round the ss rod.Then I pull the top of the coil a mm or so from the top nut, and push a tiny "bluntish" flat blade jeweler's screwdriver onto the wire between the top nut and the coil to give better contact with the coil on the wick as it goes to the top nut.
(lubricating the ss rod before tightening the wraps aid removal or said rod.)
I then remove rod and keep rolling my wick until it is a nice sliding twist fit, only then do I slide/twist it down the last 12mm.
Then I juice wick and check fro hot spots/shorts, if all is good i fill and vape.
sometimes I will dry burn and move any problem coils with a wooden tooth pick while they're hot (this way they stay where you put them), and sometimes after a while I will snug up the coil from the bottom nut if i feel there is any AIR between the coil and wick.
You can twist two lengths of 32g Kanthal by folding a 2meter length in half and inserting the bend in a drill chuck and the other loose ends into a vice or clamp, then short slow bursts on the drill will get you twists about 1mm or so apart. This twisted wire will allow you to make a coil with double the wraps and get the same resistance, or same number of wraps you are currently using with half the resistance (ohms).
Some say a twisted coil is less prone to shorts and more stable.
I oxidize slow and cool, relatively speaking, I hold my mesh far enough from the flame to get it RED not BRIGHT ORANGE. This takes up to 10mins, but never weakens the mesh through over-torching.
I quickly run the torch over the whole sheet before rolling (8sec each side), then do the long slow 10mins on the rolled wick. Quenching? Hmmm.. the more rigid the wick the less "cuddly" it becomes if you get my drift, snug coil may benefit from cuddly wick. I'm still experimenting with quenching more, less, none at all.
juice burn 2-3 times, still experimenting with duration, blowing out ,letting burn out.
One success does not always lead to another, and genesis building is NOT a science it is an ART.
Thanks for your reply.
Ok, Ok, I will get everything out and start experimenting again. The only problem is my family. Every time I pull this thing out, and start working on it, they say "What in hell are you doing?". I just tell them I am making a bomb, and they leave me alone. If I start twisting wire they might think I am going NUCLEAR.
ATTENTION< >ATTENTION: Government Officials monitoring. That was just a joke, I am talking about a VAPORIZER ... I mean ... I mean ... a LIQUID VAPORIZER, not a people vaporizer. you know an electronic cigarette.
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Now that is just funny chit right there !! i don't care who you are
WoooHoooo!!!! Mu Gemini Has Shipped and now the waiting begins
As far as twisting wires. No it is actually easier to maintain the form factor of a coil for mine with the twisted wires than it is with a single wire. I might just order some more 34 or 36 Gauge Kanthal for use with this method and just start with twisted wires for my Gemini. It seems to me that it would make my initial build much more reliable.
Who knows I got plenty of time, (Probably 2 to 4 weeks), before I get mine so I have lots of time to figure it out
Hope everyone is having a Wonderful Hump Day
Nate aka Darth Vapor
As far as twisting wires. No it is actually easier to maintain the form factor of a coil for mine with the twisted wires than it is with a single wire. I might just order some more 34 or 36 Gauge Kanthal for use with this method and just start with twisted wires for my Gemini. It seems to me that it would make my initial build much more reliable.
Who knows I got plenty of time, (Probably 2 to 4 weeks), before I get mine so I have lots of time to figure it out
Hope everyone is having a Wonderful Hump Day
Nate aka Darth Vapor
so id love to hear from anyone else that used a twisted coil... mine gunked up so bad it became unusable. unless there is some secret... that did work for me. anyways... i wrapped a 2/1 coil just for fun to see what it would vape like, flavor is a little eh, but the vapor and throat hit are top notch! is there anythring wrong wrong with a 2/1 or why do i never hear anything about it?
What device did you run that on? That had to be like 0.4 ohm LOL
1.4 on a legacy! For some reason I get higher than average ohms.. On all my coils
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Hmm When I twist wires I wrap the wire around a pen or other small round object and secure the two tails with a pair of pliers. Wife holds the pliers and I spin that sucker till it is really tightly wound. Then it holds in place really good with the twists when I coil them.
Mine usually come out to around 1.5 ohms using 32 gauge kanthal with a 3/4 wrap. This is all on silica wick atty's though so I am not sure if that has anything to do with it. Mine do gunk up faster due to more juice getting in the spaces between the twists, but that also is what holds more juice to produce a more full vapor.
Sincerely;
Nate aka Darth Vapor
Mine usually come out to around 1.5 ohms using 32 gauge kanthal with a 3/4 wrap. This is all on silica wick atty's though so I am not sure if that has anything to do with it. Mine do gunk up faster due to more juice getting in the spaces between the twists, but that also is what holds more juice to produce a more full vapor.
Sincerely;
Nate aka Darth Vapor
Yeah my twisted coil performed about the same, but it still took forever to heat up. Like I would hold down a bit before inhaling, then do 2 primer puffs, then inhale. With the 2/1 un twisted wrap, I get instant vapor. No hesitation, just boom its on and crackling nicely
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Wow, that is awesome
I do like the twisted wire set ups on my Pen and Ody, once my Gemini gets here everything in my stash except for my Provari mini will be from Overseas I have to admit, the devices done over there have not once disappointed me. Not ever and I do not foresee the Gemini being any different.
Sincerely;
Nate aka Darth Vapor
Anyone know which grades of mesh are usable in a genny? I can find quite a few people on ebay with stainless steel mesh but have seen a few different grades, T316 being one... Are they all about the same for our purposes?
Think I am gonna try out 400 again. Have been using 325 for the past three months but with the revelation that more mesh (been using like 7cm wide) helps with wicking, I want to try the 400...
Think I am gonna try out 400 again. Have been using 325 for the past three months but with the revelation that more mesh (been using like 7cm wide) helps with wicking, I want to try the 400...
I gave Mini a nice sudsy bath, dried it over night, put it back together and can't do a thing with her hair. She's impossible today! I cannot do a wrap for the life of me. Kinked this way, kinked that way, too tight here, too loose there, too high of ohms here, no ohms there...
I've been gentle, mean, mediocre, tense, relaxed and even tried it with my eyes closed once.
I've tried the wrench wrap, wick wrap, negative post first, center post first, clockwise, not clockwise, figure 8, figure 8 and a huey, tight nuts, loose nuts, medium tight nuts, needle nosed pliers tight, ...
Not happeni'.
It's a good thing I have successful wraps under my belt or this thing would be out the window.
I'm trying the wine and chocolate method next.
I've been gentle, mean, mediocre, tense, relaxed and even tried it with my eyes closed once.
I've tried the wrench wrap, wick wrap, negative post first, center post first, clockwise, not clockwise, figure 8, figure 8 and a huey, tight nuts, loose nuts, medium tight nuts, needle nosed pliers tight, ...
Not happeni'.
It's a good thing I have successful wraps under my belt or this thing would be out the window.
I'm trying the wine and chocolate method next.
Well, my advice on this is going to be to ask a few.......wait.....
Oh. It's you. Meh. You already know.
BUT....I HATE those days when you have been wrapping for a very long time and then just get "that day". I sympathize. Luckily we don't get those too often anymore.
As for wine chocolate, there is a very delicious chocolate wine. Just sayin
A little wine and Chocolate should put you directly into the happy wrapping spot Bet she'll fire right up after that
Nate aka Darth Vapor
Bet she'll fire right up after that Nate aka Darth Vapor
I sometimes use twisted Kanthal 34awg. I make a few feet at a time using a drill. I find it is less finicky with shorts/hotspots, but also produces a kind of muted flavor.
You know. I have noticed that the RY4's and tbac's arent as good in the rebuildables... Problem is, thats all I use! After about two years, the only thing that interested me was interesting tobaccos, especially slightly sweet ones although I must admit I am always changing juice vendors as I can't quite find my favorite tbac...
In the past I've tried desserts, fruits, tea (I love drinking tea, but not vaping it), menthols, drink flavors, etc. Nothing I bought more than a couple times.... I'm trying to go back and try things again in a DID but don't want to start over with the 30ish vendors I've tried.... Anyone have recommendations? I just ordered some highly rated fruity flavors to try out again... For non tobaccos, the only ones I still do occasionally are smoother vapes such as Boba's, malt flavors, honey, etc. but think I need to try something drastically different..
A little wine and Chocolate should put you directly into the happy wrapping spot
Nate aka Darth Vapor
Haha, a little wine or beer has helped me in the past with a bad DID day.. Drip and drink a little bit, go back again and voila- fresh (read slightly innebriated) perspective and no more hotspots!
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